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  • Help! Difficulty telling brand of saddle...

    Hi All!

    I recently picked up an old saddle for backing horses and was told it is a Pessoa. Upon closer inspection, it does not have any stamps that indicate that it is a Pessoa. The saddle is lacking any form of a stamp to show size, serial number or brand.

    The only stamp I can find is a ‘P’ on the flap and on the button.
    It does appear that the inner flap (possibly incorrect word sorry!) has been replaced based on how it seems to be attached - this could explain the lack of a stamp.

    Hoping to to find out the brand and rough age, good information to have upon resale!

    Attached are are photos for reference. Any insight is greatly appreciated!!


  • #2
    It looks like a Pessoa.
    Without a stamp serial number it'd be about impossible to determine age.
    Including a picture of the P on the button and flap would help.
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    • #3
      Not sure if it is just me but the photos are very small and hard to see anything

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        #4
        Here a closer pictures of the brand that is on the saddle. Unsure why the photos are posting so small....

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        • #5
          Definitely Pessoa

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          • #6
            I'm going to go with Pinnacle Saddle.

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            • #7
              looks like a Pessoa to me

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              • #8
                Doesn't look Pessoa to me - not not 90s or newer( no big P )

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                • #9
                  Pariani ?

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                  • #10
                    My pariani nailhead said pariani. pessoa generally says pessoa, and I think pinnacles nailhead is green?
                    Let me apologize in advance.

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                    • #11
                      is it possibly stamped pj?
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                      • #12
                        it looks like an older Pessoa- I think the pinnacle nailhead is green.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                          is it possibly stamped pj?
                          No stamp other than what was listed/shown...

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                          • #14
                            It looks like an older Pessoa to me. It looks a whole lot like one of the older Collegiates, which were made by Ruiz Diaz, who I believe also made the Pessoas for a period of time. Maybe this one is one from that period?

                            I've never seen a Pessoa nailhead or stamp look like that one before, but then again, I haven't really paid that close of attention to those, and sometimes companies change the design of their nailheads, stamps, and logos over time. It looks very similar to a lot of older Pessoas I've seen.

                            It looks like a slightly older saddle, maybe late '90s to early 2000's? Like I said, extremely similar to the Collegiates of that era. I'm thinking that Pessoas during that time were still being made in England by Harry Dabbs, though? I think Eiser's was Pessoa's distributor around that time and would've broken up in the early 2000's when English Equestrian Group went under, so maybe there was a brief time after when the brand was sold/distributor changed, manufacturers changed, and these were made, perhaps by RD? That's just speculation, of course, I'm not really clear on the history of Pessoa. I'm not sure if Pinnacle has been around that long or if they may have had this logo in the past, but you might contact Schneider's to see if that's a possibility.

                            I can't really think of anything else this could be, but it does look EXACTLY like an older Ruiz Diaz-manufactured saddle. Maybe there was a smaller, lesser known brand they manufactured for for awhile? I believe they have a website, but I'm not sure how easy they'd be to get ahold of to ask (I tried a few years ago to see about a serial number on an older Collegiate, but never got a response).

                            Maybe try contacting Pessoa to see if it's one of theirs?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Equestrian24 View Post
                              It looks like an older Pessoa to me. It looks a whole lot like one of the older Collegiates, which were made by Ruiz Diaz, who I believe also made the Pessoas for a period of time. Maybe this one is one from that period?

                              I've never seen a Pessoa nailhead or stamp look like that one before, but then again, I haven't really paid that close of attention to those, and sometimes companies change the design of their nailheads, stamps, and logos over time. It looks very similar to a lot of older Pessoas I've seen.

                              It looks like a slightly older saddle, maybe late '90s to early 2000's? Like I said, extremely similar to the Collegiates of that era. I'm thinking that Pessoas during that time were still being made in England by Harry Dabbs, though? I think Eiser's was Pessoa's distributor around that time and would've broken up in the early 2000's when English Equestrian Group went under, so maybe there was a brief time after when the brand was sold/distributor changed, manufacturers changed, and these were made, perhaps by RD? That's just speculation, of course, I'm not really clear on the history of Pessoa. I'm not sure if Pinnacle has been around that long or if they may have had this logo in the past, but you might contact Schneider's to see if that's a possibility.

                              I can't really think of anything else this could be, but it does look EXACTLY like an older Ruiz Diaz-manufactured saddle. Maybe there was a smaller, lesser known brand they manufactured for for awhile? I believe they have a website, but I'm not sure how easy they'd be to get ahold of to ask (I tried a few years ago to see about a serial number on an older Collegiate, but never got a response).

                              Maybe try contacting Pessoa to see if it's one of theirs?
                              Agree. Its an argentinian Ruiz Diaz Pessoa. Early models.
                              This is their website: https://ruizdiaz.com Ask for Eugenia Ruiz Diaz (manager/owner). She can identify age, model, etc.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by faraway46 View Post

                                Agree. Its an argentinian Ruiz Diaz Pessoa. Early models.
                                This is their website: https://ruizdiaz.com Ask for Eugenia Ruiz Diaz (manager/owner). She can identify age, model, etc.
                                I thought it probably was! I also just saw an old plain flap Borelli on eBay that had N. Pessoa nailheads, which I thought was odd because I'd never seen one like that before. I know Borelli was the predecessor to Collegiate and that they were made in Argentina, but I'm not sure if they were made by RD or not.

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                                • #17
                                  That P on the nailhead is the Pessoa "P" from their blankets, so I agree with the others. It's a Pessoa
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