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  • How SafeSport operates. And we should all be scared.




    This was written by a woman who went through the hell that safesport inflicted on her family. This should scare the living hell out of all of us.

    I was asked to repost this "timeline" of our personal Safe Sport experience...

    I wrote this account June 15th, just after Rob Gage died...

    "A terrifyingly good story, and I wish it were fiction...

    This could happen to EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AT ANY TIME,...

    Just remembering this and putting words to paper, brings pretty strong emotions today...

    May Rob Gage, rest in peace...

    Yesterday I was informed by a FB friend, that she saw my post as a screenshot on another person’s page. That person then wrote that they were going to call Safesport to report me for “victim shaming” and get me suspended. The irony in this is she put those words on FB so now who is bullying whom?

    THIS. HAS. TO. STOP.

    A man KILLED HIMSELF over allegations- is this what you people want?

    So let’s do a play by play of the Safesport process, since I do have personal experience with Safesport.

    1). An email is sent late in the evening the night before you are blasted all over the website telling the world that you are on an “Interim Suspension”". The allegation is based on an email, a phone call, a letter, or whatever, sent by the accuser IF the person has accused you of harassing them, of sexual harassment, etc…at this time this is one person’s “CLAIM”, and not one person has investigated ANYTHING.

    NOTE: Many of the people on the “list” are older gentlemen, who lets just say are not good with technology. So guess what? They NEVER SEE THE EMAIL and the next day the calls come flooding in asking you what the heck happened, yet you have no idea what they are talking about….

    2). In the email you are told you have 72 hours to have a hearing. So now it is late Thursday- around 10:00 pm if you even read your emails that night, the next day is a Friday and then the weekend. Good luck finding an attorney at that short notice.

    NOTE: The accuser is APPOINTED a mediator and pays NO FEES. The ACCUSED is tasked with finding a lawyer asap, figuring out the allegations, because you are not initially told who said it or even what was said, and retaining counsel. The onus is on the ACCUSED

    3). You are blasted all over the USEF Safepsort page the next morning at 8 am as “Interim Suspension” and given no time frame whatsoever for how long this might take, no idea what happened, you have no idea what the next steps are, and you are now into the weekend feeling completely lost and numb.

    4). 72 hours later, a phone hearing is held (the following Tuesday)- the ACCUSED pays for this as well. This hearing is only attended by your attorney on a conference call, not by you- that costs between $500 to $1000 but, the ACCUSED pays for this, not the accuser, and at this point, you are made aware of the accusations and who accused you. Safesport pays for the hearing for the ACCUSER. The ACCUSED can attend the hearing but they do not offer any information and essentially it’s all legal-ese. Anything the ACCUSED says will be used against him/her.

    NOTE: Now your mind is in overdrive, and still NO investigation- NONE, ZIP, NADA, NOTHING has been looked into, NOT ONE THING has been done WHATSOEVER, so whether these are true or false allegations, no one has decided this nor investigated this, they simply act on a call, an email or a letter and run with it…

    NOTE: You can’t tell anyone, you can’t breathe a word about it. Your husband nor wife can read the allegations against you because its confidential.

    5). Everyone in your life secretly begins to doubt you, including your inner circle at first- human nature, right? You become stuck in your head, physically sick, cannot eat, cannot sleep, cannot keep anything down, cannot even fathom THIS IS YOUR LIFE, because it isn’t. You have now stepped into the twilight zone and your life begins to unravel.

    6). The next 10 days are a blur as you’re dancing as fast as you can, gathering evidence, gathering witnesses, your attorney is getting affidavits, gathering as much information as possible to defend yourself. Or, perhaps you aren’t because you are “stuck”, frozen in time and do not know where to begin, although the clock is ticking…

    NOTE: In this day and age of technology, this can be your best ally and your biggest curse, since texts, emails, facebook messages, facebook posts, instragram posts, etc, are all retrievable and if things are removed and deleted, this is also problematic and called “sterilizing evidence”, so simply deleting things, doesn’t work in this day and age and typically raises flags.

    NOTE: It is also good to have Annie [edit] Oakley as your wife or life partner, who is VERY VERY VERY good at investigating, good at technology and has a "take no prisoners" mentality and should be a PI 📷

    NOTE: If you are a man perhaps of a certain age, you have no idea how to use technology to your advantage to get evidence, so you sure [edit] better hope you have a tech savy wife, barn manager, friend, whatever, to capture everything.

    NOTE: What if the accuser waits 35 years to report to Safesport? Guess what? MANY of your witnesses might be long gone, so if anything, keep some really good notes at all times.

    7). The ACCUSED is tasked with doing all this investigating to prove their innocence. There is no investigation happening by the Arbitrator, N O N E. Not ONE person has called the ACCUSED to even ask questions at this point- still NADA. SafeSport assigns an investigator to call everyone you know , however, and strip you even further of your dignity. They close every conversation with asking for a list of yet more people to talk to in the hopes of finding more and more dirt. The ACCUSED is paying for legal fees, billable hours, they are then in a holding pattern, waiting for the next hearing to see their fate. At this time, not one person has still spoken to the ACCUSED to gather evidence, to hear their side of the story, to prove innocence or guilt. You are now in limbo for who knows how long- until Safesport can get to you since we have all read how inundated they are with cases.

    NOTE: Picture this? Your entire barn was at a show while this went down possibly? You are now no longer allowed to step foot on that horse show to feed your horses, to ride, to care for them, to load them on the trailer, to ship them yourself, to speak with your staff, to educate ANYONE on HOW to care for your beloved horses.

    NOTE: Picture this? Your have entered a few shows over the following weeks and NONE OF YOUR CLIENTS are refunded any money and now your clients are upset.

    NOTE: Picture this? You have arranged professional shippers the following Monday morning and they were to take the barn to the show and now you are on the hook for the shipper perhaps.

    NOTE: Picture this! Now your clients begin calling other trainers because they want to show their horses- their prerogative right? Horses leave your barn- now you lose "training income"...Maybe people don't understand this, but trainers do not even break even on board and training...

    NOTE: I must say, our clients were phenomenal and rallied, but there are always exceptions....

    NOTE: Picture this? You are now physically, emotionally, financially DRAINED, and still no investigation has taken place- all the investigation lies on you. SafeSport is investigating a little bit behind the scenes, but they won’t disclose their investigation and won’t disclose all the good information they learned about how great someone actually is either.

    NOTE: Depression sets in, as the bills begin to pour in, you have no income happening, and perhaps begin to sink into severe depression and thoughts of suicide creep into your head- to save your family and yourself from the embarrassment this is causing...

    NOTE: I sure hope everyone reading this has good investigative skills, because it is imperative- EVEN IF DEFENDING FALSE ALLEGATIONS. You will still be tasked with proving innocence when it could become a “He said, she said”.

    8). If the Mediator (Arbitrator) and/or Judge now looking at this case 2 weeks in, decides the preponderance of evidence that YOU, YOURSELF have given, is in your favor, then they might not even have the next hearing.

    NOTE: Now you have lost income, owed a ton of money in legal fees, have lost respect from peers, have perhaps lost a client or two, have lost a lifelong reputation, have lost your mental focus, you've perhaps lost your “game”, even your nerve, and perhaps you've lost those closest to you from disgust….

    9). If they find the ACCUSER has a case, you are now in limbo for quite some time with no real “end date” given for closure initially. If they find for the ACCUSED? Voila, you are "OFF THE LIST", with no apology, no discussion, no announcement, no NADA...

    WHAT. WOULD. YOU. DO….

    Even when your suspension is lifted, the damage is done and YOU HAVE BEEN SHAMED, the collateral damage is done and you are tasked with putting your life and your business back together again, if possible.

    So don’t point fingers at me and tell me for one iota that I am victim shaming- HOW DARE YOU….

    I am shaming the Safesport PROCESS…

    I am shaming the lack of DUE PROCESS, a right we are granted as every citizen in the United States of America...

    I am shaming the Statute of Limitations…

    I am shaming Safesport for the death of 2 men…

    So, there is no need to say I am victim shaming, as that is certainly not the case...

    HOWEVER, IF you or anyone you know FALSELY ACCUSES someone, know that that will never be acceptable and as it stands today, there are no repercussions for those people…

    So, if you are looking for revenge towards your former trainer, a former competitor, a current competitor, former boss, former client, former horse dealer, former boyfriend, former girlfriend, former husband, former wife, former lover, former blacksmith, former veterinarian, former friend, former ANYONE, what better way to handle it than to sit behind your computer late night and hit send on a damaging email and watch that person’s life unravel before your eyes….

    IF you have a valid complaint, if you have been sexually assaulted- GO TO THE POLICE and file charges. Safesport cannot be used as a last resort for revenge.

    SO STOP ALL THE SHAMING, the CYBERBULLYING, the MESSAGING, stop all of it because your behavior might be also considered shaming in some form or another...

    Oh the tangled web we weave, and it is time to untangle it...

    POST NOTE: OUR lawyer never charged us or anyone she ever assisted in SafeSport, we were one of the lucky ones. I want to reiterate as well, that one case can shut down a lawyer's practice for 2 weeks or more in the initial stages and guess what? OURS did all this work in tandem with me, for FREE...

    POST NOTE: Something happened this weekend that clearly needs to be said. We have a lovely client who lost her dog this week and rescheduled a lesson since she was so distraught. She showed up still visibly upset and as she began to cry and walk towards Tommy I could sense he did not know what to do- do I hug her? Do I do nothing? What do I do???? Thank god I was there as I walked in between them and gave her a good long hug. It should not be this hard.I could feel the tension escape, but had I not been there I would have been concerned a bit.

    PS: I WANT TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR: Our clients were nothing short of phenomenal. When I was in Florida killing myself with investigating, they were with Tommy EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, taking him to dinner, rarely leaving him by himself and making sure he was ok, because he wasn't. Without those people, and there are many, we would have been lost."


    Last edited by Moderator 1; Aug. 7, 2019, 10:53 AM. Reason: language
  • Original Poster

    #2
    990 for 2017 show just under 2.5 million taken in. 2016 990 had them making just over 1.5 million. Not bad for only forming in 2015. Their mission statement alone should give all of us pause.

    Mission

    Our mission is to make athlete well-being the centerpiece of our nation's sports. All athletes deserve to participate in sports are free from bullying, hazing, sexual misconduct or any form of emotional or physical abuse.




    https://www.guidestar.org/profile/47-2475870

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    • Original Poster

      #3
      https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images...0fc0e8b8-9.pdf

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      • Original Poster

        #4
        https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images...0ebc14ec-9.pdf

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        • Original Poster

          #5
          Diane Feinstein of CA is involved in this in some way. And several of the principals listed in this group...have been under investigation too it seems.

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          • #6
            Personally, I appreciate their mission statement. I think that anybody who is afraid of protecting kids doing kids sports is rather paranoid and has their own personal agenda and are not really interested in improving the industry.

            Especially from somebody who intimately knows how bad this is for children:

            Belle Beach

            Belle Beach replied to Picking Up the Pieces...
            in Off Topic
            Mar. 30, 2013, 05:05 PM
            Where are you at and why hasn't this teacher been removed and put under investigation by the law?

            This is illegal, and depending on state? Illegal for school system to retain teachers and staff too.

            Of course, may not be in US?

            The law should have done something about this.

            And it is NOT your fault, you did nothing wrong.

            He is a predator, a shark in a pool of goldfish. He should never be allowed around any children period.

            This happened to my cousin, with worse results, over 35 years ago now, and because of lack of laws? He is still teaching. And no doubt still raping and molesting students.

            She lobbied for years to get laws changed to where the perverts couldn't be transferred from school to school to hide them.

            Google Amy Hestir Davis law in MO and read about her speech to the legislature.

            Sadly? Teacher's Union was the main one fighting her...which doesn't say much for them.

            And so sorry you had to deal with this...senior year and years leading up to it should be happy time for you...not dealing with this.
            SEE LESS | GO TO POST

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              This is how terrifyingly easy it is to ruin a life.

              https://safesport.i-sight.com/portal...bEBgwR27NTHPMU

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Belle Beach View Post
                Their mission statement alone should give all of us pause.

                Mission

                Our mission is to make athlete well-being the centerpiece of our nation's sports. All athletes deserve to participate in sports are free from bullying, hazing, sexual misconduct or any form of emotional or physical abuse.

                https://www.guidestar.org/profile/47-2475870
                Please elaborate further and explain what is wrong with their mission statement. Don’t all athletes deserve this when participating in sport?

                As a side note, rather than flogging the forum with post after post, it would probably be more effective to put all of your opinions and links in one post. I would also suggest citing the source from your first post as that quote/story came directly from Kathy Serio’s Facebook page.
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                • #9
                  I found this post from Kathy Serio, posted on Facebook shortly after Rob Gage's death, to be:

                  a) HIGHLY unprofessional
                  b) More supportive than damaging to the SafeSport process

                  SafeSport did what they said they would do. Her husband was cleared of the report against him. Most of her "facts" she uses to support the atrocities are in the form of "what if" statements. What if you didn't see the email? What if you don't know how to use a computer? What if you were at a horse show? What if time removes all evidence? Well, we can play "what if" all day, but that doesn't change the fact that he was off the suspension list in a timely fashion.

                  I have empathy for them for having to go through that-- it must have been awful. You know what else is awful? Children being sexually abused by adults. Just saying...
                  Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                    Personally, I appreciate their mission statement. I think that anybody who is afraid of protecting kids doing kids sports is rather paranoid and has their own personal agenda and are not really interested in improving the industry.
                    After all the hysterical and over the top screaming and hand wringing by the anti-safe sport people, I can't help assuming most of them are either trainers who have molested under age students and are terrified of their own misdeeds getting out or parents who have turned a blind eye to the trainer molesting their kids and are feeling guilty. Either way, it's not a good look for the industry. I wonder how many more shoes are going to drop.

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                    • #11
                      All of these poor-older-men-that-don't-understand-the-internet, hold clinics and sell horses. They also must take safe sport training. If they really are as helpless as you believe, they'll have a secretary that handles their email.

                      Put away the tiny violin. These are grown men that are successful in business.

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                        #12
                        This isn't protecting children in sports any more than the McMartin case in CA was protecting children in daycares. They aren't bringing charges. They aren't trying this in a court of law.

                        Last edited by Belle Beach; Aug. 6, 2019, 10:44 PM. Reason: Misspelled word.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Belle Beach View Post
                          This isn't protecting children in sports any more than the McMartin case in CA was protecting children in daycares. They aren't bringing charges. They aren't trying this in a court of law.
                          It's certainly flushing out a list of trainers who any self -especting parent should avoid like the plague if they want their children protected against predators. We now know who supports predators and who supports children.

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                          • #14
                            Boy does this not help your anti-safesport case at all.

                            And ffs most grown men know how to check their email.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Belle Beach View Post


                              This was written by a woman who went through the hell that safesport inflicted on her family. This should scare the living hell out of all of us.

                              I was asked to repost this "timeline" of our personal Safe Sport experience...

                              I wrote this account June 15th, just after Rob Gage died...

                              "A terrifyingly good story, and I wish it were fiction...

                              This could happen to EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU AT ANY TIME,...

                              Just remembering this and putting words to paper, brings pretty strong emotions today...

                              May Rob Gage, rest in peace...

                              Yesterday I was informed by a FB friend, that she saw my post as a screenshot on another person’s page. That person then wrote that they were going to call Safesport to report me for “victim shaming” and get me suspended. The irony in this is she put those words on FB so now who is bullying whom?

                              THIS. HAS. TO. STOP.

                              A man KILLED HIMSELF over allegations- is this what you people want?

                              So let’s do a play by play of the Safesport process, since I do have personal experience with Safesport.

                              1). An email is sent late in the evening the night before you are blasted all over the website telling the world that you are on an “Interim Suspension”". The allegation is based on an email, a phone call, a letter, or whatever, sent by the accuser IF the person has accused you of harassing them, of sexual harassment, etc…at this time this is one person’s “CLAIM”, and not one person has investigated ANYTHING.

                              NOTE: Many of the people on the “list” are older gentlemen, who lets just say are not good with technology. So guess what? They NEVER SEE THE EMAIL and the next day the calls come flooding in asking you what the heck happened, yet you have no idea what they are talking about….

                              2). In the email you are told you have 72 hours to have a hearing. So now it is late Thursday- around 10:00 pm if you even read your emails that night, the next day is a Friday and then the weekend. Good luck finding an attorney at that short notice.

                              NOTE: The accuser is APPOINTED a mediator and pays NO FEES. The ACCUSED is tasked with finding a lawyer asap, figuring out the allegations, because you are not initially told who said it or even what was said, and retaining counsel. The onus is on the ACCUSED

                              3). You are blasted all over the USEF Safepsort page the next morning at 8 am as “Interim Suspension” and given no time frame whatsoever for how long this might take, no idea what happened, you have no idea what the next steps are, and you are now into the weekend feeling completely lost and numb.

                              4). 72 hours later, a phone hearing is held (the following Tuesday)- the ACCUSED pays for this as well. This hearing is only attended by your attorney on a conference call, not by you- that costs between $500 to $1000 but, the ACCUSED pays for this, not the accuser, and at this point, you are made aware of the accusations and who accused you. Safesport pays for the hearing for the ACCUSER. The ACCUSED can attend the hearing but they do not offer any information and essentially it’s all legal-ese. Anything the ACCUSED says will be used against him/her.

                              NOTE: Now your mind is in overdrive, and still NO investigation- NONE, ZIP, NADA, NOTHING has been looked into, NOT ONE THING has been done WHATSOEVER, so whether these are true or false allegations, no one has decided this nor investigated this, they simply act on a call, an email or a letter and run with it…

                              NOTE: You can’t tell anyone, you can’t breathe a word about it. Your husband nor wife can read the allegations against you because its confidential.

                              5). Everyone in your life secretly begins to doubt you, including your inner circle at first- human nature, right? You become stuck in your head, physically sick, cannot eat, cannot sleep, cannot keep anything down, cannot even fathom THIS IS YOUR LIFE, because it isn’t. You have now stepped into the twilight zone and your life begins to unravel.

                              6). The next 10 days are a blur as you’re dancing as fast as you can, gathering evidence, gathering witnesses, your attorney is getting affidavits, gathering as much information as possible to defend yourself. Or, perhaps you aren’t because you are “stuck”, frozen in time and do not know where to begin, although the clock is ticking…

                              NOTE: In this day and age of technology, this can be your best ally and your biggest curse, since texts, emails, facebook messages, facebook posts, instragram posts, etc, are all retrievable and if things are removed and deleted, this is also problematic and called “sterilizing evidence”, so simply deleting things, doesn’t work in this day and age and typically raises flags.

                              NOTE: It is also good to have Annie Fucking Oakley as your wife or life partner, who is VERY VERY VERY good at investigating, good at technology and has a "take no prisoners" mentality and should be a PI 📷

                              NOTE: If you are a man perhaps of a certain age, you have no idea how to use technology to your advantage to get evidence, so you sure as shit better hope you have a tech savy wife, barn manager, friend, whatever, to capture everything.

                              NOTE: What if the accuser waits 35 years to report to Safesport? Guess what? MANY of your witnesses might be long gone, so if anything, keep some really good notes at all times.

                              7). The ACCUSED is tasked with doing all this investigating to prove their innocence. There is no investigation happening by the Arbitrator, N O N E. Not ONE person has called the ACCUSED to even ask questions at this point- still NADA. SafeSport assigns an investigator to call everyone you know , however, and strip you even further of your dignity. They close every conversation with asking for a list of yet more people to talk to in the hopes of finding more and more dirt. The ACCUSED is paying for legal fees, billable hours, they are then in a holding pattern, waiting for the next hearing to see their fate. At this time, not one person has still spoken to the ACCUSED to gather evidence, to hear their side of the story, to prove innocence or guilt. You are now in limbo for who knows how long- until Safesport can get to you since we have all read how inundated they are with cases.

                              NOTE: Picture this? Your entire barn was at a show while this went down possibly? You are now no longer allowed to step foot on that horse show to feed your horses, to ride, to care for them, to load them on the trailer, to ship them yourself, to speak with your staff, to educate ANYONE on HOW to care for your beloved horses.

                              NOTE: Picture this? Your have entered a few shows over the following weeks and NONE OF YOUR CLIENTS are refunded any money and now your clients are upset.

                              NOTE: Picture this? You have arranged professional shippers the following Monday morning and they were to take the barn to the show and now you are on the hook for the shipper perhaps.

                              NOTE: Picture this! Now your clients begin calling other trainers because they want to show their horses- their prerogative right? Horses leave your barn- now you lose "training income"...Maybe people don't understand this, but trainers do not even break even on board and training...

                              NOTE: I must say, our clients were phenomenal and rallied, but there are always exceptions....

                              NOTE: Picture this? You are now physically, emotionally, financially DRAINED, and still no investigation has taken place- all the investigation lies on you. SafeSport is investigating a little bit behind the scenes, but they won’t disclose their investigation and won’t disclose all the good information they learned about how great someone actually is either.

                              NOTE: Depression sets in, as the bills begin to pour in, you have no income happening, and perhaps begin to sink into severe depression and thoughts of suicide creep into your head- to save your family and yourself from the embarrassment this is causing...

                              NOTE: I sure hope everyone reading this has good investigative skills, because it is imperative- EVEN IF DEFENDING FALSE ALLEGATIONS. You will still be tasked with proving innocence when it could become a “He said, she said”.

                              8). If the Mediator (Arbitrator) and/or Judge now looking at this case 2 weeks in, decides the preponderance of evidence that YOU, YOURSELF have given, is in your favor, then they might not even have the next hearing.

                              NOTE: Now you have lost income, owed a ton of money in legal fees, have lost respect from peers, have perhaps lost a client or two, have lost a lifelong reputation, have lost your mental focus, you've perhaps lost your “game”, even your nerve, and perhaps you've lost those closest to you from disgust….

                              9). If they find the ACCUSER has a case, you are now in limbo for quite some time with no real “end date” given for closure initially. If they find for the ACCUSED? Voila, you are "OFF THE LIST", with no apology, no discussion, no announcement, no NADA...

                              WHAT. WOULD. YOU. DO….

                              Even when your suspension is lifted, the damage is done and YOU HAVE BEEN SHAMED, the collateral damage is done and you are tasked with putting your life and your business back together again, if possible.

                              So don’t point fingers at me and tell me for one iota that I am victim shaming- HOW DARE YOU….

                              I am shaming the Safesport PROCESS…

                              I am shaming the lack of DUE PROCESS, a right we are granted as every citizen in the United States of America...

                              I am shaming the Statute of Limitations…

                              I am shaming Safesport for the death of 2 men…

                              So, there is no need to say I am victim shaming, as that is certainly not the case...

                              HOWEVER, IF you or anyone you know FALSELY ACCUSES someone, know that that will never be acceptable and as it stands today, there are no repercussions for those people…

                              So, if you are looking for revenge towards your former trainer, a former competitor, a current competitor, former boss, former client, former horse dealer, former boyfriend, former girlfriend, former husband, former wife, former lover, former blacksmith, former veterinarian, former friend, former ANYONE, what better way to handle it than to sit behind your computer late night and hit send on a damaging email and watch that person’s life unravel before your eyes….

                              IF you have a valid complaint, if you have been sexually assaulted- GO TO THE POLICE and file charges. Safesport cannot be used as a last resort for revenge.

                              SO STOP ALL THE SHAMING, the CYBERBULLYING, the MESSAGING, stop all of it because your behavior might be also considered shaming in some form or another...

                              Oh the tangled web we weave, and it is time to untangle it...

                              POST NOTE: OUR lawyer never charged us or anyone she ever assisted in SafeSport, we were one of the lucky ones. I want to reiterate as well, that one case can shut down a lawyer's practice for 2 weeks or more in the initial stages and guess what? OURS did all this work in tandem with me, for FREE...

                              POST NOTE: Something happened this weekend that clearly needs to be said. We have a lovely client who lost her dog this week and rescheduled a lesson since she was so distraught. She showed up still visibly upset and as she began to cry and walk towards Tommy I could sense he did not know what to do- do I hug her? Do I do nothing? What do I do???? Thank god I was there as I walked in between them and gave her a good long hug. It should not be this hard.I could feel the tension escape, but had I not been there I would have been concerned a bit.

                              PS: I WANT TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR: Our clients were nothing short of phenomenal. When I was in Florida killing myself with investigating, they were with Tommy EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, taking him to dinner, rarely leaving him by himself and making sure he was ok, because he wasn't. Without those people, and there are many, we would have been lost."


                              Absolutely disgusting. Treating someone in this manner is being a bully. They are trying to play like they are above the law and it going to bite them back one day. You cannot play with people's lives and expect to get away with it. There has to be due process. Initial accusations should be sent to the accuser via certified mail and regular mail. It should also give the person time to prepare for a hearing. Three days is not enough time and of course weekends and holidays should not count. Except with Safesport they believe they are above all of that. That they don't have to follow the law because they make their own rules. It is great to get those that have honestly harmed children on the list. However, it is not okay to bully and intimidate someone in this manner. You are innocent until proven guilty. Banning someone publicly before being found guilty is high-level slander and bullying in its worst form. That should only occur once they have been proven guilty and ONLY then. That is the law. I was all for this service until learning more about their inter-workings. This is not how due process works and those behind this will pay for it one way or another. You cannot ruin someone's life based on an accusation and then think that when they realize the accusation was wrong just drop it like its just another day. Once an accusation is made people will believe whatever they read. Whether it is true or not. That can destroy an innocent person. The truth is people make accusations everyday and most are empty attacks of hate for whatever reason they claim. It means nothing until it has been proven.

                              The idea of Safesport is a great one but only once someone is found guilty in a court of law, then add them to the list. If you are going to accuse someone do it the right way, the legal way not this fly by night crap that can ruin an innocent persons life at the drop of a hat. Karma has its ways, and it won't be long until the folks at Safesport find that out for themselves.
                              All of this is quite disturbing. Innocent people, I would be very concerned. If you piss someone off they could retaliate by making a false accusation to Safesport. Seeing how easy it is to do, mean people wouldn't think twice about it. I would be VERY concerned over the power they have been given.

                              PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION TO GET THIS STOPPED Congressional Sub-Committee Formal Petition to Restructure Safe Sport

                              https://shanedarnell.com/congress/
                              Last edited by msrobin; Aug. 7, 2019, 12:18 AM. Reason: Added information.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                                Personally, I appreciate their mission statement. I think that anybody who is afraid of protecting kids doing kids sports is rather paranoid and has their own personal agenda and are not really interested in improving the industry.

                                Especially from somebody who intimately knows how bad this is for children:

                                Belle Beach

                                Belle Beach replied to Picking Up the Pieces...
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                                Mar. 30, 2013, 05:05 PM
                                Where are you at and why hasn't this teacher been removed and put under investigation by the law?

                                This is illegal, and depending on state? Illegal for school system to retain teachers and staff too.

                                Of course, may not be in US?

                                The law should have done something about this.

                                And it is NOT your fault, you did nothing wrong.

                                He is a predator, a shark in a pool of goldfish. He should never be allowed around any children period.

                                This happened to my cousin, with worse results, over 35 years ago now, and because of lack of laws? He is still teaching. And no doubt still raping and molesting students.

                                She lobbied for years to get laws changed to where the perverts couldn't be transferred from school to school to hide them.

                                Google Amy Hestir Davis law in MO and read about her speech to the legislature.

                                Sadly? Teacher's Union was the main one fighting her...which doesn't say much for them.

                                And so sorry you had to deal with this...senior year and years leading up to it should be happy time for you...not dealing with this.
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                                Everyone always loves a hypocrite. Funny that the OP can't see the irony.

                                I'm going to go on a personal aside here and point out that I'm a teacher. As I've shared on the Rob Gage thread, I've had teacher friends who have been both falsely accused and convicted/found guilty of sexual misconduct. Tell you what, the more I learn about SafeSport, I'd much prefer them handling accusations than most school districts for which I've worked. While basically all schools have verbiage prohibiting misconduct, there is little to no oversight regarding how allegations of sexual misconduct between staff and student are handled in schools. Your fate is often left to the whims of school boards and principals, to the detriment of both the accused and the victims. As an employee who can potentially be accused, your only guaranteed defense in such an event, since most states have deunionized, is employment law. Yet it is far more complicated, expensive, and time consuming for one to handle these types of complaints through the court system than what SafeSport has developed.

                                Also, many teachers placed on interim suspensions have their names plastered across the local and even national media. Often times, these teachers are wrongly accused and suspensions removed-- but rarely is that part ever reported. I point this out because "due process" is not a right of employment. The alleged "wrongs" that many people are accusing of SafeSport, such as "assumed guilty" and "temporarily suspended prior to investigation" are consistent with how similar (or even lesser) allegations are handled by workplaces and human resource departments everywhere.
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                                • #17
                                  How many times is Kathy Serio's nonsense going to be posted?

                                  like that's what you have, that's it. At least make up new rants.
                                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                    How many times is Kathy Serio's nonsense going to be posted?

                                    like that's what you have, that's it. At least make up new rants.
                                    I bet Bonnie Navin’s SafeSport Clarification will be added in a post or two.

                                    There is a busy team of trolls posting this evening. I guess the GM news inspired them.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                      How many times is Kathy Serio's nonsense going to be posted?

                                      like that's what you have, that's it. At least make up new rants.
                                      Someone just used it as an argument to something I posted on Facebook. Fortunately I recognized the rant since what she posted was a screen shot of someone's post quoting it that was then posted by yet another person.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by msrobin View Post

                                        Absolutely disgusting. Treating someone in this manner is being a bully. They are trying to play like they are above the law and it going to bite them back one day. You cannot play with people's lives and expect to get away with it. There has to be due process. Initial accusations should be sent to the accuser via certified mail and regular mail. It should also give the person time to prepare for a hearing. Three days is not enough time and of course weekends and holidays should not count. Except with Safesport they believe they are above all of that. That they don't have to follow the law because they make their own rules. It is great to get those that have honestly harmed children on the list. However, it is not okay to bully and intimidate someone in this manner. You are innocent until proven guilty. Banning someone publicly before being found guilty is high-level slander and bullying in its worst form. That should only occur once they have been proven guilty and ONLY then. That is the law. I was all for this service until learning more about their inter-workings. This is not how due process works and those behind this will pay for it one way or another. You cannot ruin someone's life based on an accusation and then think that when they realize the accusation was wrong just drop it like its just another day. Once an accusation is made people will believe whatever they read. Whether it is true or not. That can destroy an innocent person. The truth is people make accusations everyday and most are empty attacks of hate for whatever reason they claim. It means nothing until it has been proven.

                                        The idea of Safesport is a great one but only once someone is found guilty in a court of law, then add them to the list. If you are going to accuse someone do it the right way, the legal way not this fly by night crap that can ruin an innocent persons life at the drop of a hat. Karma has its ways, and it won't be long until the folks at Safesport find that out for themselves.
                                        All of this is quite disturbing. Innocent people, I would be very concerned. If you piss someone off they could retaliate by making a false accusation to Safesport. Seeing how easy it is to do, mean people wouldn't think twice about it. I would be VERY concerned over the power they have been given.

                                        PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION TO GET THIS STOPPED Congressional Sub-Committee Formal Petition to Restructure Safe Sport

                                        https://shanedarnell.com/congress/
                                        The people who cannot be bothered to read are a frightening example of willful ignorance and you seem to be one of them.
                                        Since you are obviously losing your grip where rational discussion is concerned, and seem to be either unable or unwilling to read and process the written word clearly, I will respond in kind. Because I have no patience left with those who perhaps unwittingly, but through their own negligence, are trying to become enablers of the perpetrators of sexual assault and harassment.

                                        If you had actually read the rules that you are freaking out about, and had an informed objection to them, I would be happy to listen, discuss, and take your concerns into consideration.

                                        However, this is not the case, so I can only reply that, "Your mother is a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time".

                                        Honestly, it's either laugh or cry at the ignorance. Tonight I have to laugh. The continuous crazy is that horrifying.
                                        Last edited by skydy; Aug. 7, 2019, 02:30 AM.

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