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  • AllOverFarm
    started a topic George Morris on the SS list

    George Morris on the SS list

    Jusr saw something on fb.. can anyone confirm?

  • Denali6298
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    There’s a note at the top of the list that if the people are deceased they will only be on the list for 90 days.

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  • MHM
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    Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post
    Did I read correctly that Rob Gage has been removed from the banned list as has Jimmie Williams? Sorry if this was addressed.
    I read the same thing somewhere, but I have not verified it by looking at the list with my own eyes.

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  • CindyCRNA
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    Did I read correctly that Rob Gage has been removed from the banned list as has Jimmie Williams? Sorry if this was addressed.

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  • 4LeafCloverFarm
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    Originally posted by snaffle1987 View Post
    So I don't have time to go read through another 50 pages to find the current UTD happenings. Did he file appeal within the allotted amount of days? Or is GM just taking it and going to disappear?
    The US Center for SafeSport still says "(subject to appeal / not yet final)" for George Morris. So I believe the appeal is still in process and not yet final. If he had decided not to appeal, I believe the decision would be final.

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  • snaffle1987
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    So I don't have time to go read through another 50 pages to find the current UTD happenings. Did he file appeal within the allotted amount of days? Or is GM just taking it and going to disappear?

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  • Tigre Horse
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    Originally posted by Jenerationx View Post

    Not having his name on the list invalidates what the victims went through. It's like what happens so often in cases of sexual abuse with minors, they're expected to get over it and pretend it never happened.
    I couldn't agree more.

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  • MHM
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    I feel like it may have been mentioned earlier in the thread, but licensed officials with USEF have been required to get background checks for several years now. I don’t know how extensive they are, but it is a requirement for every official. They do not require fingerprints, just some identifying information that you can fill out online.

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  • JanM
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    It depends on the state. My state only started enforcing child protection rules for the church based day cares this year. Before that you could hire anyone, and had no supervision from the state.

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  • Nickelodian
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    Originally posted by angelssix View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread, but I have an honest question. Why are trainers that are training kids not required by law to get a full background check and fingerprints done, as well as their spouses and barn workers? It's mandatory in most child care settings, if I am not mistaken.
    Because they aren't sanctioned by a licensing authority. In order to be a child care center you have to be licensed by the regulatory entity of the State.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

    But think of the people they left behind, especially by suicide. At least in the case of RG, he had legions of people who loved him for what was good in him. They have enough of a battle in healing their wounds, without seeing his name on the list years after the death.
    I understand that perspective and feel for those left behind, but I still believe, me, personally, that it's important that people continue to see those names so that history is retained, remembered, and not white washed. I absolutely don't want people five or ten or 100 years from now to be singing the praises of those who sexually assaulted children because everyone else forgot they did so.

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  • Jenerationx
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    Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

    But think of the people they left behind, especially by suicide. At least in the case of RG, he had legions of people who loved him for what was good in him. They have enough of a battle in healing their wounds, without seeing his name on the list years after the death.
    Not having his name on the list invalidates what the victims went through. It's like what happens so often in cases of sexual abuse with minors, they're expected to get over it and pretend it never happened.

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  • Denali6298
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    Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post




    An employer like the Patriots can fire someone “without cause”, while a governing body has to follow some level of due process (show cause).
    My comment was in response to a poster who felt sanctions should not be levied based on allegations. I used the Patriots as an example because they did just that even though they might still have to pay him per the contract. Also, the rider in question has been charged, I think that’s enough cause to at least suspend him.

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  • YankeeDuchess
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    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

    Antonio Brown got fired from the Patriots over allegations. Horses should be no different. It’s a sport.



    An employer like the Patriots can fire someone “without cause”, while a governing body has to follow some level of due process (show cause).

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  • angelssix
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    I don't want to derail the thread, but I have an honest question. Why are trainers that are training kids not required by law to get a full background check and fingerprints done, as well as their spouses and barn workers? It's mandatory in most child care settings, if I am not mistaken.

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  • YankeeDuchess
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    from the site

    *Sanctioned individuals who are deceased are removed from this list after 90 days*


    Too bad. I think we need the constant reminder.
    But think of the people they left behind, especially by suicide. At least in the case of RG, he had legions of people who loved him for what was good in him. They have enough of a battle in healing their wounds, without seeing his name on the list years after the death.

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  • moonriverfarm
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    I attended a GM clinic as an auditor about 15 years ago in Birmingham, AL at a farm where the trainer was whispered to have been one of GM's romantic partners years ago. GM was supposed to "have lunch" with the clinic participants and sign his book. He sat in a chair as if he were on a throne and never looked a soul in the eye. He looked like an old toadstool. He was mean as a hyena at the clinic, ripped the handle off my friend's crop, and all I could think was wow, if PR paid his bills he would be homeless. Yet the young riders both male and female were so in awe, I can imagine GM could have done anything with them he wanted. I have yet to hear if his fall clinic at this particular farm is cancelled for this year.

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  • Denali6298
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    I’m really curious about how the different levels are decided.

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  • Peggy
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    Yet, John Manning is on the SafeSport sanction list with loss of privileges (which I think means he can do course design only) but not listed on the USEF site.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by AllOverFarm View Post
    I was looking at the usef safe sport list and noticed Jimmy Williams & Bob Gage are off the list. I’m guessing because they are deceased.
    from the site

    *Sanctioned individuals who are deceased are removed from this list after 90 days*


    Too bad. I think we need the constant reminder.

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