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  • AllOverFarm
    started a topic George Morris on the SS list

    George Morris on the SS list

    Jusr saw something on fb.. can anyone confirm?

  • Keep it Simple
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    Perhaps I used an incorrect description. I did not depose anyone. I spent a half hour answering questions. Short of that I don't wish to reveal much else about my experience.
    Half and hour answering questions and you don't want to reveal much else.... my first interview was 4 hours and people want all the gory details including my name and what occurred.

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  • chunky munky
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    Originally posted by oneequestrienne View Post

    You deposed someone as part as a Safesport investigation? REALLY? As someone who has actually dealt directly with Safesport and been part of an investigation, I am really curious. Did you depose a respondent or a claimant? At what point in the Safesport process did this occur? I am not asking for any identifying information at all. Are you claiming that depositions are part of the Safesport process?
    Perhaps I used an incorrect description. I did not depose anyone. I spent a half hour answering questions. Short of that I don't wish to reveal much else about my experience.

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  • oneequestrienne
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    No, she is donating to a fund that helps all athletes of any sport be able to afford to face their accusers. I personally deposed for someone that had been wrongfully accused. It was not a sexual abuse accusation, but none the less was in the category of safe sport. It could have ruined their business and livelihood. Those people need support. Not all cases are sexual abuse cases, and some certainly are unjustly accused. to donate to a fund that offers support so folks can legally present their case is hardly showing that one has no integrity or supports a known child molester. Don't put words in my mouth.
    You deposed someone as part as a Safesport investigation? REALLY? As someone who has actually dealt directly with Safesport and been part of an investigation, I am really curious. Did you depose a respondent or a claimant? At what point in the Safesport process did this occur? I am not asking for any identifying information at all. Are you claiming that depositions are part of the Safesport process?

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  • ladyj79
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    mvp, you don't have to be an amateur! Rodrigo Pessoa stood up!

    These people? Man they are nothing. They do not represent anyone but their own gross little circle.

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  • mvp
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    Exactly, Capall.

    Suzie Hutchinson was my idol as a child. I wanted to be her. Her position is wrong. I might understand why she needs to believe what she believes, but it is still completely wrong. And immoral. And destructive.

    Robert Dover is wrong. His opinion is wrong for the sport and wrong for humanity. It is callous and juvenile. And destructive.

    These people were literally my icons for decades.

    Why on earth would I excuse anyone who supports sexually assaulting minors? Both privately and publicly? To the extent that these people and select others are actively fundraising to support child molesters.


    That's what's insane, and being a good trainer of "luxury sport pets" is hardly a legitimate reason to excuse actively and vehemently defending the continued sexual assault and exploitation of children.
    This is the time that I'm glad I'm an amateur on the sidelines. I want to be able to "call a spade a spade" and publicly stand against people who sexually molest children. I want to be cosmopolitan enough and adult enough that I can empathize with people who have been victimized. I got that by being outside of the horse world (as well as learning some great life lessons within horse world). And now I am so glad that I don't have so much to lose that I have to wonder if I should STFU even if I have a sneaking suspicion that my idols have feet of clay.

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  • vxf111
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    No, she is donating to a fund that helps all athletes of any sport be able to afford to face their accusers. I personally deposed for someone that had been wrongfully accused. It was not a sexual abuse accusation, but none the less was in the category of safe sport. It could have ruined their business and livelihood. Those people need support. Not all cases are sexual abuse cases, and some certainly are unjustly accused. to donate to a fund that offers support so folks can legally present their case is hardly showing that one has no integrity or supports a known child molester. Don't put words in my mouth.
    I'm confused about what "deposed" means in this context. That there was a civil case (in court) for which you sat for a deposition as a witness?

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  • Pennywell Bay
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    No, she is donating to a fund that helps all athletes of any sport be able to afford to face their accusers. I personally deposed for someone that had been wrongfully accused. It was not a sexual abuse accusation, but none the less was in the category of safe sport. It could have ruined their business and livelihood. Those people need support. Not all cases are sexual abuse cases, and some certainly are unjustly accused. to donate to a fund that offers support so folks can legally present their case is hardly showing that one has no integrity or supports a known child molester. Don't put words in my mouth.
    So- the process worked. If people were deposed, there was. Enough corroboration at some point for it to move forward, not sufficient for a suspension or perhaps totally exonerated. The process working doesn’t seem to be enough.

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  • chunky munky
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    Originally posted by Capall View Post

    But she is openly showing she has no integrity and supports a known child molester. But she trains really well so you know... carry on.
    No, she is donating to a fund that helps all athletes of any sport be able to afford to face their accusers. I personally deposed for someone that had been wrongfully accused. It was not a sexual abuse accusation, but none the less was in the category of safe sport. It could have ruined their business and livelihood. Those people need support. Not all cases are sexual abuse cases, and some certainly are unjustly accused. to donate to a fund that offers support so folks can legally present their case is hardly showing that one has no integrity or supports a known child molester. Don't put words in my mouth.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by Capall View Post
    .

    But she is openly showing she has no integrity and supports a known child molester. But she trains really well so you know... carry on.
    Exactly, Capall.

    Suzie Hutchinson was my idol as a child. I wanted to be her. Her position is wrong. I might understand why she needs to believe what she believes, but it is still completely wrong. And immoral. And destructive.

    Robert Dover is wrong. His opinion is wrong for the sport and wrong for humanity. It is callous and juvenile. And destructive.

    These people were literally my icons for decades.

    Why on earth would I excuse anyone who supports sexually assaulting minors? Both privately and publicly? To the extent that these people and select others are actively fundraising to support child molesters.


    That's what's insane, and being a good trainer of "luxury sport pets" is hardly a legitimate reason to excuse actively and vehemently defending the continued sexual assault and exploitation of children.

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  • Capall
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    Missy Clark is as fine a human being and trainer as you will find in this or any sport. But, you know...carry on.
    But she is openly showing she has no integrity and supports a known child molester. But she trains really well so you know... carry on.

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  • Anniemaymay
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    Missy Clark is as fine a human being and trainer as you will find in this or any sport. But, you know...carry on.
    I don’t care if she’s the best trainer on the planet. If she openly supports child molesters and rapists, she is not a fine human being.

    And considering shes had a long relationship with Morris, she knows exactly what she’s supporting. Sorry.

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  • mvp
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    Originally posted by staceymc View Post

    Missy will readily admit that George is one of the biggest influences on her career. I believe she rode/worked with him for many years when she was a young professional.

    BTW, her masterclass is excellent and definitely worth the money.
    Yup.

    But all that being true, I'm not sure why she (or anyone with a similar relationship and respect for Morris as a skilled trainer), would seek to defend him (or whatever they are doing) in this SafeSport realm.

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  • NoSuchPerson
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    Missy Clark is as fine a human being and trainer as you will find in this or any sport. But, you know...carry on.
    That may well be true. But, to someone who doesn't already know and respect her, here is what it looks like:

    Fact 1: GM is a bully and engaged in sexual conduct with minors.
    Fact 2: Missy Clark supports GM.
    Logical conclusion: Missy Clark thinks it's OK to be a bully and have sex with underage teenagers.

    I don't know her, I don't know anything about her, and I'm not suggesting that the "logical conclusion" is in fact correct. But that's the optics.

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  • staceymc
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    Originally posted by mvp View Post

    Yes. And this was why I was surprised to find her donation there. Why do you suppose she chose the course of action she did?
    Missy will readily admit that George is one of the biggest influences on her career. I believe she rode/worked with him for many years when she was a young professional.

    BTW, her masterclass is excellent and definitely worth the money.

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  • mvp
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    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post

    Missy Clark is as fine a human being and trainer as you will find in this or any sport. But, you know...carry on.
    Yes. And this was why I was surprised to find her donation there. Why do you suppose she chose the course of action she did?

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  • chunky munky
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    Originally posted by Anniemaymay View Post

    Ugh. I was considering getting my daughter a subscription to the Noelle Floyd masterclass thing, but I think Missy Clark is the trainer in the ads.
    Missy Clark is as fine a human being and trainer as you will find in this or any sport. But, you know...carry on.

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  • oneequestrienne
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    I want to add a possible explanation for some of the people who looked up to GM over the years in spite of his condescending snarkyness, at least prior to the publication of his tell all book and Safesport sanction. I was one of them until I read his book when it first came out. To be clear: In this case, I am not talking about sexual abuse, I am talking about verbal abuse, bullying and intimidation.

    There are those who found a way to get through it and become better riders. some of these individuals think, hey, I could take it, what's everyone whining about? (I I am strong, everyone else is weak). This part may explain some of the trainers who are so vocal in their support. There is a cachet to “surviving” GM.

    Then there are those who have watched GM teach but never been taught by him, thereby not putting themselves in the “line of fire”. Some of those feel superior to those they saw him belittle.

    Another group, which includes me, are those who actually rode with him in clinics risking public humiliation which never occurred. Before my first clinic with him, I was warned that I was a likely target with my larger than than pencil thin thighs. I wasn’t overweight but I didn’t have the “equitation” body type. My early years (starting at 6) riding at an eventing based summer camp came in very handy when he decided to teach us a “new” skill and then test us. Fortunately for me, four full summers of riding cross country meant I already knew this particular skill quite well. He gave us a command to execute it and, um, well, I really executed it, to a bit of an extreme. Looking back, I actually should have been criticized for it, as it was not kind to my horse. Instead, I was publicly praised with an added sexist comment for good measure. After that, never a negative word from him. I was not a particularly gifted or talented rider, never went to any of the equitation finals. However, when he judged my class(I never went to any of the big indoor shows either), I never won but as long as I had a good, clean round, I got a ribbon. What I mean is that if there were a group of us all around the same place, I was given the benefit of the doubt.It was subtle but there. Pretty ironic that this experience made me feel superior even though, as I admitted above, I was a middle of the road rider.

    That experience made me a huge fan of GM for many years. The very fact that he was so awful to so many people gave those who survived it as well as those who avoided it a sense superiority. We shared GM “war stories”. It wasn’t until the undercurrent of rumors we had all heard for years about GM and others came roaring up into actual allegations, that many, including me, changed our way of thinking.

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  • Bogie
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    Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
    Has George ever issued an apology ever? For over facing horses and riders, resulting in their injuries? For drugging horses? For abusing horses? Why would we expect any different now?
    Don't expect anything any time soon. The fact that he admitted to so many things in his autobiography -- actually bragged about them -- means he does not believe he did anything wrong. I read the book after the formal allegations were made and found it appalling. Not just his sexual exploits, which were excessively discussed, but the way he overfaced riders and horses knowing that they would fail and get hurt. I'm really not sure why so many people put up with that behavior for so long.

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  • BigMama1
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    Has George ever issued an apology ever? For over facing horses and riders, resulting in their injuries? For drugging horses? For abusing horses? Why would we expect any different now?

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