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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post
    I noticed today that Denny Emerson has "liked" the Athletes for Equity in Sport facebook page.

    just interesting, ya know...
    Yuck. Just saying...

    It will be a great day when the members of the old boys club finally implode and disappear for good. Of course the day will come a little sooner if people will stop making excuses for their abusive behavior.

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  • Denali6298
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    Originally posted by LexInVA View Post

    That's what is baffling. I'm at a loss as to why he would do it in the first place, especially since he retained a known-to-be-competent estate handling firm to do it for him. He's been trying to liquidate what little assets he has since - almost to the day - SafeSport came into existence in early 2012, so you'd think he would have, by now, formulated a sensible long-term plan to achieve a position where he could easily walk away from any trouble.
    He relied on his stature in the horse world to prevent all this. He’s arrogant and thought he was untouchable. That’s why he didn’t do the “sensible long-term plan.”

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  • endlessclimb
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    I noticed today that Denny Emerson has "liked" the Athletes for Equity in Sport facebook page.

    just interesting, ya know...

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  • LexInVA
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    Originally posted by Mara View Post
    Did anything ever develop re: the threat George was said by some to have made about naming names if he got taken down? Something along the lines of "if they come after me I'll bring this whole sport down"?

    Empty words, or is he keeping quiet until all the legal maneuverings are over with?
    Nobody ever clearly substantiated that GM was making threats and I think it's just a rumor that came from the Wellington Glory Hole crowd, though it's certainly plausible. If anyone has enough dirt to spill on the BTS drama in that sport and with the USET and the drug-fueled success-hungry people that have been fixtures in that world, it's him. If he does know anything and is willing to spill the beans, it's likely going to be about quid-pro-quo arrangements for team placements, judge rigging to improve scores and sale prices, performance cocktails, and other assorted dirty deeds that have long been spoken of in hushed voices. Much of it probably isn't going to be seriously damaging at this point, unless he's got a lot of recent secrets to expose, but it certainly would be embarrassing to some people and their legacies.

    Worst case scenario is that he's an Epstein-like scumbag who has engaged in dirty deeds for decades, like the aforementioned and blackmailed people into keeping him around and on payroll with "Oh, I know things about you that you wouldn't want getting out...." threats and he used that power to get financial support for his business, where he surrounded himself - and it's been said that he had people actively helping him to cast a wide net - with as many young boys as he could get away with and abused/exploited said boys in exchange for "hanging around the big names" and possible team placement, if they got lucky.

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  • NaturallyHappy
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    Most people in Europe have way way way better people to train with.

    And that's why they do.

    American hunter riders are really the only people clamoring to ride with George
    ^^^^. This. And, there are better people in this country, too.

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  • LexInVA
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    Originally posted by mvp View Post

    Assets in a revocable trust are not protected from creditors.

    I'm an amateur at estate planning, but I think the thing a revocable trust does for anyone is have assets transfer without probate. While you are alive, they are still within your control and therefore things creditors can tap. Now an irrevocable trust is a different animal.
    That's what is baffling. I'm at a loss as to why he would do it in the first place, especially since he retained a known-to-be-competent estate handling firm to do it for him. He's been trying to liquidate what little assets he has since - almost to the day - SafeSport came into existence in early 2012, so you'd think he would have, by now, formulated a sensible long-term plan to achieve a position where he could easily walk away from any trouble.

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  • mvp
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    Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
    Right before the ban came down, GM put his assets in a Revocable Trust - with himself as the Trustee - to protect himself from the (then probable) lawsuits that he now faces. The deed says "George H. Morris" transfers to "George Hayes Morris". Seriously.
    Assets in a revocable trust are not protected from creditors.

    I'm an amateur at estate planning, but I think the thing a revocable trust does for anyone is have assets transfer without probate. While you are alive, they are still within your control and therefore things creditors can tap. Now an irrevocable trust is a different animal.

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  • Darkwave
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    George is not well liked by the Brazilians. Rodrigo Pessoa is one who came out immediately to condemn pedos in the sport when George went down. Doda has already fired him once, and they still tell stories laughing at his temper tantrums. It's a big country, but the monied horse elite are a small club, even when most are in Europe much of the time. And a lot of the younger guys have younger kids.

    George has spent a good amount of time in Argentina, and he could probably retire there with what little he has left.
    I would think traveling outside of the US would be extremely challenging right now, for reasons completely independent of Safesport or litigation. This is probably a very hard time to flee the US.

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  • RainWeasley
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    Originally posted by Bethe Mounce View Post

    There was a time I revered the ground he walked on. I did buy Unrelenting. He alludes to certain behaviors in the book. There is no excuse or justification for him or any other, period.
    Ugh I tried to read that book, I still haven't finished it. It was all just a bunch of self-back-patting, "look how awesome I am", mixed in with some pretty sketchy sounding stuff. Maybe it gets better, but I couldn't get past the first, like, third.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by SlamDunk View Post

    Look at Roman Polansky or Bikram. There are clearly better options but peope still hire them
    I think times have changed, but we'll see. Polanski went into exile while he was young. GM is 85 and is just not that important to anyone except the US hunter crowd, especially since he has been banned by both USEF and the FEI.

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  • SlamDunk
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    Originally posted by skydy View Post

    Do you really believe they have no better option than an 85yr old accused child rapist? He's banned by the FEI as well and his tenure as Chef d'equipe for the U.S.wasn't that impressive.
    Look at Roman Polansky or Bikram. There are clearly better options but peope still hire them

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by SlamDunk View Post

    That's not forever, and I could see some rich showjumper paying him for training at their home base in Europe. Stranger things have happened, people still pay Bikram for yoga training
    Do you really believe they have no better option than an 85yr old accused child rapist? He's banned by the FEI as well and his tenure as Chef d'equipe for the U.S.wasn't that impressive.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by SlamDunk View Post

    That's not forever, and I could see some rich showjumper paying him for training at their home base in Europe. Stranger things have happened, people still pay Bikram for yoga training
    Most people in Europe have way way way better people to train with.

    And that's why they do.

    American hunter riders are really the only people clamoring to ride with George

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  • SlamDunk
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    Originally posted by skydy View Post

    One reason is because when his boyfriend left him (this is from his book, which I borrowed from the library, no way would I pay for it) he had to sell the Hunterdon farm and everything else he owned, including trophies and awards. No one sells their personal momentos unless they are desperate. His boyfriend was the source of the funds that had kept him financially afloat, not his family.

    As for leaving the country, good luck with that. Americans are not free to roam due to our lousy management of the COVID virus, most countries are not allowing Americans to cross their borders .
    That's not forever, and I could see some rich showjumper paying him for training at their home base in Europe. Stranger things have happened, people still pay Bikram for yoga training

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  • Mara
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    Did anything ever develop re: the threat George was said by some to have made about naming names if he got taken down? Something along the lines of "if they come after me I'll bring this whole sport down"?

    Empty words, or is he keeping quiet until all the legal maneuverings are over with?

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
    Right before the ban came down, GM put his assets in a Revocable Trust - with himself as the Trustee - to protect himself from the (then probable) lawsuits that he now faces. The deed says "George H. Morris" transfers to "George Hayes Morris". Seriously.
    Diane Carney, Robert Dover et al, have been banging on about GM's inability to make a living and had started a "go fund me". If GM was financially able to keep himself in the lifestyle he has been accustomed to, I doubt they would all be pleading his poverty. He is known for his ego and is of retirement age, so if he is wealthy it wouldn't make sense for his friends to be begging on his behalf. Unless... they knew that some big legal bills were imminent.

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  • poltroon
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    Props to the person at COTH who chose the image of George Morris in the Jimmy Williams hat. I recognized it immediately and thought about how appropriate a choice that was.

    Also an excellent reminder that no one else wants their picture taken in the hat.

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  • vxf111
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    A lot of this is cognitive dissonance

    I am a good person
    I admire GM
    I would not admire a bad person
    GM must therefore be a good person

    classic cognitive dissonance

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  • LexInVA
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    Right before the ban came down, GM put his assets in a Revocable Trust - with himself as the Trustee - to protect himself from the (then probable) lawsuits that he now faces. The deed says "George H. Morris" transfers to "George Hayes Morris". Seriously.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by kenyarider View Post
    Why do people believe that GM doesn't have money? He's always had money. He was able to go as an Olympic rider back when only rich amateurs could go. I haven't seen any indication that all that inherited wealth and earned wealth (clinics etc.) have disappeared unless it all went to Swiss bank accounts. Of course he has money. What are you thinking? As far as moving overseas, lots of countries won't extradite for a civil suit anyway so he probably has the entire world for choices.
    One reason is because when his boyfriend left him (this is from his book, which I borrowed from the library, no way would I pay for it) he had to sell the Hunterdon farm and everything else he owned, including trophies and awards. No one sells their personal momentos unless they are desperate. His boyfriend was the source of the funds that had kept him financially afloat, not his family.

    As for leaving the country, good luck with that. Americans are not free to roam due to our lousy management of the COVID virus, most countries are not allowing Americans to cross their borders .

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