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  • Figure Skating is having a tough week too. This is a direct civil suit instead of a SafeSport action. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/s...ual-abuse.html

    Adam Schmidt, 34, a former skating student of Mr. Callaghan’s, filed a lawsuit in San Diego saying that Mr. Callaghan had repeatedly abused him from 1999 to 2001, beginning when Mr. Schmidt was 14 years old. Mr. Schmidt became the fourth male skater to have publicly accused Mr. Callaghan of improper behavior during a period from the early 1990s to the early 2000s.

    Also named as defendants were U.S. Figure Skating, the sport’s national governing body, and a skating facility in suburban Detroit where Mr. Callaghan taught Mr. Schmidt.

    ...

    Mr. Callaghan, 73, is best known for coaching Tara Lipinski to a gold medal at the 1998 Winter Olympics and coaching Todd Eldredge to a world championship, six United States titles and three Olympic appearances.
    The stories are so similar. And you can read about the 1999 allegations that caused Lipinski to move to another coach, linked in that article.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/11/s...?module=inline

    ''For whatever reasons I don't understand, people love me or hate me,'' Callaghan said. ''I have no clue why. In almost 30 years, I've taught about 500 kids. I don't understand this. The allegations are awful. I can't believe I worked my butt off for kids to be successful in skating to be better people and this stuff happens.''
    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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    • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

      Obviously, and goes without saying. My hope is that when it all comes out in the wash, the finding will be that GHM's relationship was with someone of the age of consent, who consented. I honestly don't think the man is STUPID enough to have raped a 13-year old. Just because someone was a live-in student, it does not automatically follow that he was being predated at age 13 by George. My hope is that he was 16 plus. I make no apologies whatsoever for pedophilia.

      A reminder: As of now no one but SS knows and they aren't saying.

      What I DO know is that on FB and IRL an impressive list of horse pros of stature have put their names (and therefore reputations and businesses) on the line coming out in public defense of George. People who've known him personally all their lives and worked alongside him all the way back to that time, vs.concern trolls who have no connection whatsoever.
      To me, that speaks volumes, and drove my insufficient attempt to provide a more balanced perspective here.
      😱😳😂
      Not stupid. Narcissistic. Personality. Disorder.
      Wait and see. There are many names missing too. Those who stood by RG were wrong.
      Actually, there are others who know parts of the truth outside of Safesport. Those who spoke to Safesport. There are a number of us on here with first hand experience with Safesport and who personally know people who were involved in the GM investigation.
      Feel free to keep drinking the Kool Aid.

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      • Can any of you lawyers weigh in on the verbiage of this petition please? Are they essentially asking for Safe Sport to be in civil court as opposed to what it is now? Wasn't the whole point of SS to keep these people from being eligible to compete or coach even if they did were not eligible to be tried for whatever reason?

        https://www.change.org/p/donald-j-tr...se_react=false
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        • In the link to the letter to the editor above, you can see an ad for an upcoming GM clinic. I guess he can keep teaching clinics outside of USEF?

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          • Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post

            "F" George Morris. At this point the allegations have been investigated. He doesn't deserve to automatically be given the benefit of even more doubt. I am going to stand with the people who were strong enough to insist that they be heard. At last. Those are my people. They are my tribe.
            Sheilah
            Yassssss! I'd like to personally thank everyone in this thread that shared their experiences. I have cried multiple times reading through this thread because it brings all of those feelings right back to hear someone else's pain.... even all these years later. You are my tribe. I'll stand with you, and all the others that have lived through the horrific mental anguish the abuse causes, and all those that have known someone else that has been through something and had the courage to stand with them.

            For those who are ignorant and making excuses for why someone should be allowed to peacefully go about the rest of their lives after wrecking the life of a child..... "F" you too. Thank your lucky stars you were never sexually abused, because I guarantee if you were, you wouldn't be talking about sweeping abuse under the rug, you wouldn't be using your cute little air quotes when you talk about #metoo or abuse, and you wouldn't just casually post your insensitive, uneducated, willfully ignorant BS on a forum full of people that have experienced that kind of abuse. You'd know sleepless nights, you'd know waking up in a cold sweat thinking you can still smell an abuser's cologne, and you'd probably shed more than a few tears every time you read about one of these trusted figures being found out, yes decades later. Think about it. Do you think he abused one kid and then stopped for the next 50 years? God only knows how many may eventually come forward. God only knows how many may take the lifelong suffering to their graves.

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            • I honestly think that SS knew what they were stepping into when they investigated GM. They probably knew that they had to have a 100% SOLID case in going after the biggest name in the world for horse sports. They did not take this likely. They did not just hear a rumor from 50 years ago and say "Oh wow, he was naughty! Let's BAN this guy!" And anyone who thinks that needs to wake up and smell the poo that has been stinking in the horse world for MANY years. They are all sounding like a bunch of rabid, uneducated wankers.

              Jonathan Soresi also knew what he was stepping into. He knows his conviction, and he knows that a lot of people would question his motives and veracity due to his conviction. I feel bad for him that his life has been so screwed up, and that he ended up this way. I do not in any way condone him having kiddie porn, I think it is atrocious (look! I used that word again!) But I also think that his life has gone so awry because he was abused. I believe him. I think it was incredibly brave of him to come forward and try and take down his abuser who is world-renowned and beloved. Again, do not take what I am saying as defending JS for the things that were found on his computer.

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              • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                A reminder: As of now no one but SS knows and they aren't saying.
                WRONG. George knows. The victims/accusers know.

                What I DO know is that on FB and IRL an impressive list of horse pros of stature have put their names (and therefore reputations and businesses) on the line coming out in public defense of George. People who've known him personally all their lives and worked alongside him all the way back to that time, vs.concern trolls who have no connection whatsoever.
                To me, that speaks volumes, and drove my insufficient attempt to provide a more balanced perspective here.
                A more balanced perspective? Mmmmmkay. #eyerollworthyofanexasperateded14yearold

                Most of the people who have defended him - those "horse pros of stature" that you are starry-eyed about... have heard all the whispers and rumors and tsk-tsks over the years... and some know they are true. What I DO know is that I have heard them - and I am a Nobody. I even sat in the exhibitors bar at Spruce Meadows and heard the "horse pros of stature" at the next table sharing such a story about GM. Many have just refused to (as you have) actually bother looking at the SafeSport procedure and are falling all over themselves to raise an indignant hue and cry and not piss GM off. Many of those voices will go quiet as the initial phase of WTF eases off... and reality sets in.
                Last edited by smoofox; Aug. 14, 2019, 02:31 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                  Can any of you lawyers weigh in on the verbiage of this petition please? Are they essentially asking for Safe Sport to be in civil court as opposed to what it is now? Wasn't the whole point of SS to keep these people from being eligible to compete or coach even if they did were not eligible to be tried for whatever reason?

                  https://www.change.org/p/donald-j-tr...se_react=false
                  I have no idea what it’s trying to achieve.

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                  • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                    This will not be a popular stand here, but I agree with the above post. What we are talking about is equal to sitting in judgment in 1950 (many of you were around in 1950!) on events from 1899. THAT is how far removed we are now from that distant day and its entire social context. If you would like to read, in depth, about the cultural background in which these alleged event(s) took place, please read this article straight through to the end: https://quillette.com/2019/08/10/the...f-gay-culture/ First-hand historical detail about Studio 54 and more with emphasis on how free-wheeling it all was at that time and why that is equally unimaginable today.

                    The law may arbitrarily place the age of consent today at 16, 18, 21, the way things are trending it may soon hit 26! That is actually an historical anomaly; in just about all early cultures, women were considered marriageable post-puberty, and the Bar Mitzvah or equivalent for young men happened at 13 for a reason. Sexually mature older teens are not physically or mentally the same as "children," and I think repeatedly branding GHM a "pedophile" right now is out of line; totally different levels of agency there. Rife speculation and gossip aside, until either SafeSport or someone else comes forward with the specifics of this allegation, WE DON'T KNOW what the issue was with GHM or when it took place. "Misconduct" could be an inappropriate relationship because it involved both age difference and power disparity, but that is neither the definition of rape nor pedophilia. And anyone paying attention knows #metoo is very much a moving target that erupted extremely recently. Many things are now considered "abuse," just like in riding itself, that 50 years ago very few even thought about. We also know people can be wrongly accused; that's why "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is one of those Commandments that could use dusting off.

                    It's a sad fact of human nature that when dealing with sports legends, music stars, movie luminaries, or the rich and powerful who can make or break others' rarefied dream careers, the "casting couch" is a lure. There are just as many young people (even their parents!) who think the ends justify the means to reach "the top" and bask in the limelight of that fame and fortune as there are "stars" whose human weakness or sense of entitlement takes advantage of it. If we were to memory-hole the work of every actor, model, musician, sportsman or even writer who exchanged sex for preferment, there honestly wouldn't be much left to watch on TV. We seem to be in a strange, post-religious cultural moment where we elevate ordinary, flawed, weak humans as "gods," and anoint them with perfection, then a few years later take great delight in ripping them down like wolves from the very pedestals we put them on to begin with.

                    As the participants in this thread have thinned out after 90+ pages, it's quite noticeable that a majority of the remaining claim personal childhood abuse. Without in any way diminishing the experience of ANY victim, it must also be noted that such would be automatically excluded from jury selection in a case like this because any objectivity is impossible.


                    You don’t get it, do you?
                    1. He has not been falsely accused. A two year investigation by former FBI and SVU experts let to this ruling.
                    2. They apparently have evidence of misconduct as far back as 50 years and as recently as the 1990s.
                    3. Even if it were just once case from 50 years ago (which it was not) the time frame does not matter. Nazi war criminals were still being brought to trial as recently as 2016. Should they just be given a pass now because of their age or because WWII was so long ago?

                    Why are you defending a guy who by his own admission in his autobiography drugged, poled, and otherwise abused horses, attempted to influence judges, put students and horses in dangerous situations, lied to friends and family members to get what he wanted, and took pleasure in bullying / humiliating others? Even if you don’t believe he is a sexual predator - despite decades of stories - you surely must acknowledge that he has repeatedly violated the USEF’s standards in many ways, and that ineligibility for USEF membership is a reasonable consequence?

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                    • Who is Sara Cavanagh (the editor) and why is she so badly misinformed about how SafeSport works?

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                      • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                        Can any of you lawyers weigh in on the verbiage of this petition please? Are they essentially asking for Safe Sport to be in civil court as opposed to what it is now? Wasn't the whole point of SS to keep these people from being eligible to compete or coach even if they did were not eligible to be tried for whatever reason?

                        https://www.change.org/p/donald-j-tr...se_react=false
                        This, as Capall like to say, atrocious petition found its way on my Facebook feed, shared by riders I used to respect.

                        It’s a shame.

                        ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

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                        I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
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                        • Taking a break, my next love, the arts, just erupted.
                          Placido Domingo and Broadway producers nailed to the wall today.

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                          • Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                            Who is Sara Cavanagh (the editor) and why is she so badly misinformed about how SafeSport works?
                            I have no idea, but if you scroll down this web page, there is a bio:
                            http://thehorseofdelawarevalley.com/about
                            The Evil Chem Prof

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                            • I just read through the comments on the change.org petition. Do these people have any clue? Or want to have one? All this due process and constitutional rights jabber.

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                              • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                                Obviously, and goes without saying. My hope is that when it all comes out in the wash, the finding will be that GHM's relationship was with someone of the age of consent, who consented. I honestly don't think the man is STUPID enough to have raped a 13-year old. Just because someone was a live-in student, it does not automatically follow that he was being predated at age 13 by George. My hope is that he was 16 plus. I make no apologies whatsoever for pedophilia.

                                A reminder: As of now no one but SS knows and they aren't saying.

                                What I DO know is that on FB and IRL an impressive list of horse pros of stature have put their names (and therefore reputations and businesses) on the line coming out in public defense of George. People who've known him personally all their lives and worked alongside him all the way back to that time, vs.concern trolls who have no connection whatsoever.
                                To me, that speaks volumes, and drove my insufficient attempt to provide a more balanced perspective here.
                                Loads of people with reputation (Traurig, etc) spoke up in support of Rob Gage.... WHO HAD WRITTEN A CONFESSION TO ONE OF HIS VICTIMS which was used in the investigation against him. Who had at least a handful of women speak publicly about their ages and what occurred.

                                Again I'm not here saying that he's guilty or not because it's not my place to say. But if "statute of limitations" is all you have to hang your hat on, and if intimidating people and "taking down everyone" is your Alamo.... it's not looking pretty.

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                                • The fundamental question is how best to deal with sexual abuse and the long needed cultural change. For generations victims were oppressed by both the abuser and society.

                                  As an engaged parent that raises our kids to be empowered, I am horrified by SafeSports current codes and processes.

                                  While they have honorable Mission and Values, their authoritarian dictation of whom I can choose to train with, and associate my children and resources, so they can be athletes and participate in the sport they love is going down the path of dictatorship.

                                  Under the good intention to protect, SafeSpot strips away that which enables all of us to be empowered - Choice.

                                  Raising awareness is good.

                                  Stripping away the right to choose who should run a business and associate with harms all of us.

                                  Those that are at most risk, are those that post negative stories and comments about others in these forum, regardless if you think they are true. That behavior is considered bullying, and becomes grounds for reporting to SafeSport.

                                  I personally know that one of the banned trainers is innocent, and the key witness 20 yrs ago witheld evidence in the form of video surveillance tapes, which would have exonerated them. Since the staue of limitations is expired, the ability to correct a past ruling will be hard. So instead an innocent person is banned, and this forum is not only bashing them, but hunting to strip them of their business associates.

                                  We officially live in Orwell's 1984

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                                  • Originally posted by Zirgs View Post
                                    The fundamental question is how best to deal with sexual abuse and the long needed cultural change. For generations victims were oppressed by both the abuser and society.

                                    As an engaged parent that raises our kids to be empowered, I am horrified by SafeSports current codes and processes.

                                    While they have honorable Mission and Values, their authoritarian dictation of whom I can choose to train with, and associate my children and resources, so they can be athletes and participate in the sport they love is going down the path of dictatorship.

                                    Under the good intention to protect, SafeSpot strips away that which enables all of us to be empowered - Choice.

                                    Raising awareness is good.

                                    Stripping away the right to choose who should run a business and associate with harms all of us.

                                    Those that are at most risk, are those that post negative stories and comments about others in these forum, regardless if you think they are true. That behavior is considered bullying, and becomes grounds for reporting to SafeSport.

                                    I personally know that one of the banned trainers is innocent, and the key witness 20 yrs ago witheld evidence in the form of video surveillance tapes, which would have exonerated them. Since the staue of limitations is expired, the ability to correct a past ruling will be hard. So instead an innocent person is banned, and this forum is not only bashing them, but hunting to strip them of their business associates.

                                    We officially live in Orwell's 1984
                                    Regarding your allegedly innocent friend:

                                    The claimant is subject to SafeSport disciplinary action for making false claims and withholding evidence. If you are a USEF member, you have a responsibility to report such information if you know it to be true. If you’re not, I suggest you still do so anyway.

                                    SafeSport tried to build in checks and balances for situations like you describe, but they are only as good as the members who provide information.

                                    Just like many victims have been blamed for “not coming forward,” people with information that would exonerate the allegedly innocent need to do the same.
                                    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                                    • Originally posted by Zirgs View Post
                                      The fundamental question is how best to deal with sexual abuse and the long needed cultural change. For generations victims were oppressed by both the abuser and society.

                                      As an engaged parent that raises our kids to be empowered, I am horrified by SafeSports current codes and processes.

                                      While they have honorable Mission and Values, their authoritarian dictation of whom I can choose to train with, and associate my children and resources, so they can be athletes and participate in the sport they love is going down the path of dictatorship.

                                      Under the good intention to protect, SafeSpot strips away that which enables all of us to be empowered - Choice.

                                      Raising awareness is good.

                                      Stripping away the right to choose who should run a business and associate with harms all of us.
                                      So... you would send your kids to train with a BNT who has been sanctioned for sexual misconduct, if you were informed and allowed to? Presumably because you feel you cannot get better quality instruction from someone who doesn't abuse their power over children? Or only because you THINK you know what they did, and you believe it was too long ago, or not severe enough to damage someone?

                                      Read that again because it sounds like you'd put your kids in harm's way for a bloody blue ribbon.

                                      That's just about as bad as "Well he didn't molest MY kid so he must be ok!" It makes my head explode why anyone feels the need to give money to someone who consciously and willingly hurts people.

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                                      • Originally posted by Zirgs View Post
                                        The fundamental question is how best to deal with sexual abuse and the long needed cultural change. For generations victims were oppressed by both the abuser and society.

                                        As an engaged parent that raises our kids to be empowered, I am horrified by SafeSports current codes and processes.

                                        While they have honorable Mission and Values, their authoritarian dictation of whom I can choose to train with, and associate my children and resources, so they can be athletes and participate in the sport they love is going down the path of dictatorship.

                                        Under the good intention to protect, SafeSpot strips away that which enables all of us to be empowered - Choice.

                                        Raising awareness is good.

                                        Stripping away the right to choose who should run a business and associate with harms all of us.

                                        Those that are at most risk, are those that post negative stories and comments about others in these forum, regardless if you think they are true. That behavior is considered bullying, and becomes grounds for reporting to SafeSport.

                                        I personally know that one of the banned trainers is innocent, and the key witness 20 yrs ago witheld evidence in the form of video surveillance tapes, which would have exonerated them. Since the staue of limitations is expired, the ability to correct a past ruling will be hard. So instead an innocent person is banned, and this forum is not only bashing them, but hunting to strip them of their business associates.

                                        We officially live in Orwell's 1984
                                        No one is stopping you from hiring child molesters to give your kids riding lessons. They’ll just have to stick to the non affiliated local circuits. Have fun!

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                                        • check Zirgs join date. Can you say 'troll'?

                                          ETA: and Zirgs If you 'know' one of the banned trainers is innocent, it's your duty to go to SafeSport and present your case. Good luck.

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