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  • If you wanted an understanding of how a sexual predator works and avoids getting into trouble, I highly recommend the podcast Believed about Larry Nassar.
    https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510326/believed

    It was recommended upthread, or maybe on the RG thread, and I’ve listened to four episodes. One of his victims was six when it started and I think that was roughly twenty years ago.

    But it I don’t think I’ll ever think about PowerPoint quite the same way ever again.
    The Evil Chem Prof

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    • There is now a new petition on change.org
      “Safe sport reform petition advocacy for George Morris and all usef members “.
      I saw it on fb

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      • Originally posted by Jonathan Hart View Post
        I am Michael Hart’s brother and have been expecting this day to come since I first read MidgeToo’s post on May 16, 2009 over on The Manure Pile. It was a post of a PM sent to MidgeToo by someone going by the name ‘abcdefghi’ that mentioned Michael as one of GM’s victims. It was long post I won’t share unless people want to read what I am referring to. In 2013 I made an angry reply as I just wanted my brother left out of the conversation. As everyone knows, he passed away in 1995 so I saw no reason to bring him into this 34 years after his time at Hunterdon and 14 years after his passing.

        This is is what bothers me most. Everyone knew about GM back then yet no one said or did anything about it. Now an 81 year old man is having his life’s work and legacy eradicated in some “Me Too” moment and, in the case of my family, getting calls from the New York Times and others asking us questions about our dead brother and his relationship with an accused pedophile.

        SafeSport exists to prevent future abuse and misconduct, which I fully support, but I don’t know the case against GM furthers their mission. From my chair I see it ruining reputations, opening old wounds of families and victims, dividing the community, and harming the sport.

        There is much more I could add but I’ve said enough. For the readers who knew my brother, you know
        I cannot begin to know how difficult this is for you. Clearly the reason safe sport attempts to hide names of those a abused.

        But... suspending a predator does several things. It says, children aren't safe around this person. It says even powerful people need to leave juniors alone, and it says no longer can we tolerate this.

        What it does not say is we are sorry this went on for so long that children were harmed. I am sorry for that

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        • Does the (unsubstantiated as far as I can tell) quote of "I'm bringing everyone down with me" mean he'll put all the other pedophiles he knows on blast? My god, I hope so.

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          • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

            I love that people are really thinking it through answers coming up with some cool ideas. The concept with tying is that a firm with monopoly or at least a high degree of market power conditions the purchase of the item it monopolizes on the customer also purchasing a second item or service (the tied product), over which it does not have the same degree of market power. This, in effect, enables the monopolist to use its monopoly power to enlarge its market share in the tied product market.

            it is an interesting concept, but I am not aware of any cases that act in the negative (a ban being unlawfully extended to ban more things, instead of a purchase. I have a migraine today, though, so am not thinking the clearest and am maybe missing how to make this work.

            i do think that if SadeSport runs afoul of the Sherman Act, this aiding and abetting aspect is what is going to do it. It makes it possible to argue a broader affect on competition, as opposed to only an effect on a single competitor. That is key.
            Sorry about your migraine! That stinks.

            You did an excellent job verbalizing what tying is. I was trying to apply it like you are saying... sort of as a negative, and in essence Safe Spirt was trying to expand their power by extending the ban on one person to include possible sanctions on members doing business with the banned person. I think that is tricky. And that a case could be made that it was an anti-competitive overreach on the part of the NGO. Because where does it end? If s non USEF members holds a show at s private farm, and a banned person participates, but other USEF members do as well... what then? It could essentially turn into USEF getting into a backdoor method of penalizing members who participate in unrecognized shows. I don’t think that’s the intent at all... it an argument might be made.

            So let’s just say that portion of Safe Sport was successfully challenged on this one aspect, and it was ruled impermissible to punish USEF members who clinics with banned people, or attended unrecognized shows with banned people. People like GHM could still run businesses and make a living. His name would still be out there on the Safe Sport list. No more Olympic Team associations for him. But lower level people, like me, and parents, could watch who precisely chooses to support and attend his clinics... and who doesn’t.

            Bluntly, as s parent, any coach or pro who decided to clinic with someone who has now been banned by Safe Sport? I would not choose to do business with that person. Nor have my child get lessons from
            them.

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            • Wow... the Kathy Kusner post. That’s really sad to hear.

              Any comments at all from any of the Chapot family?

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              • Originally posted by ClerkofCourts View Post

                My thoughts EXACTLY. I was having his discussion with someone and it was my impression (from memory , I’d started to read the book when it came out it and even had the Geezer sign it and couldn’t get through it) that he was like “hey all! I got your number, try me!” Which falls right in line with that Facebook post where he was quoted as saying he would take everyone down with him. Another person mentioned it maybe being a pre-emptive, “hey look I aired my dirty laundry already so I must be innocent.” I think it’s probably a bit of both.
                I keep thinking I should go back and crack the book open again but just can’t seem to force myself to.

                Especiallly is you consider that Soresi first came forward in 2012 and backed off. Otherwise does GM seem like the type that would need to “write” a tell all?
                My head also keeps going back to just how poorly wrttien it is. So! Many! Exclamation marks! Knowing what a perfectionist he is you’d think it would have been better edited, even if his own education level is lacking.
                I am reading it now. The writing is atrocious. I'm appalled that he hired a ghost writer. He should have listened to her. There is a lot in there that I find disturbing, not just the subtext, which I find unsettling. I notice that whenever he does something illegal, he immediately calls out someone else that does it. For example, when he talks about poling his horse at a show with a tack-studded rail, he immediately says that Rodney Jenkins did it too. There's also a fair amount about drugs used to calm horses. So far, the book has made me doubt his horsemanship, thank the saints that I never rode with him (too abusive), and wonder what else he's going to reveal that's unsavory. His "escapades" make me want to take a shower.
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                • Originally posted by MHM View Post
                  A search of members on the USEF website shows no members with the last name Eckhart, and five people named Kim or Kimberly Murphy, one in Virginia, all listed as inactive.
                  I was actually sort of curious as to what was up with this, and went back and looked at the website again, and realized I had misspelled a name. It’s Rick Eckhardt. He was a USET team member and has been a Pint Club examiner for the B and A levels, and also has a license to judge recognized shows apparently and was up until a few years ago.

                  Does anyone know if he is still affiliated with River Chase or an active USEF member? It seems odd that he would be tied to Navarro. I’m dubious of Navarro's claims to have coached horses and riders up to the Grand Prix level And if a lowly ammy like me can spot some likely b.s. and resume inflation such as that, I would think a former USET team member could too.

                  Maybe Eckhardt distanced himself from Navarro a while ago and the website is out of date on that score as well.

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                  • Frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

                    I admit that early on I thought due process was completely disregarded by SS and that suspensions and permanent ineligibility were assigned upon accusations being made. I questioned SS and its flagrant abuse of power. When GM was affected, I thought it went too far. So I got myself to the forum here and looked forward to reading like-minded posts. Heh.

                    At first I was confused and put off by the more, er, passionate posts defending SS and the process. I mean, GM was the Grand Poobah of all things hunter/jumper. (For reference, I do fancy-prancing. Badly.) How could H/J folks not be up in arms about this injustice, this ancient and spurious charge of hedonistic behavior? So I kept reading here. And a funny thing happened: I got educated on SS and the process. I was reminded that abuse of power in the form of sexual abuse and the damage inflicted on victims has no expiration date. No longer can I put my head in the sand and think SS sanctions are a result of so-called witch hunts. In short, I am deeply embarrassed at my first reaction to the GM sanctions.

                    Thank you to everyone here who took the time to present facts. It made a difference.

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                    • I mean, George Morris is a former USET member and chef. I don't know that that is necessarily proof of great character or judgement.
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                      • Originally posted by Bogie View Post

                        I am reading it now. The writing is atrocious. I'm appalled that he hired a ghost writer. He should have listened to her. There is a lot in there that I find disturbing, not just the subtext, which I find unsettling. I notice that whenever he does something illegal, he immediately calls out someone else that does it. For example, when he talks about poling his horse at a show with a tack-studded rail, he immediately says that Rodney Jenkins did it too. There's also a fair amount about drugs used to calm horses. So far, the book has made me doubt his horsemanship, thank the saints that I never rode with him (too abusive), and wonder what else he's going to reveal that's unsavory. His "escapades" make me want to take a shower.
                        There’s one where he brings two young female students (one of whom he was dating, back when he dated both girls and boys) to an NYC nightclub and the evening ended with one of the girls getting dragged out by the hair and thrown in a snowbank. He concedes something along of lines of perhaps them being too young for the club scene.

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                        • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post

                          I was actually sort of curious as to what was up with this, and went back and looked at the website again, and realized I had misspelled a name. It’s Rick Eckhardt. He was a USET team member and has been a Pint Club examiner for the B and A levels, and also has a license to judge recognized shows apparently and was up until a few years ago.

                          Does anyone know if he is still affiliated with River Chase or an active USEF member? It seems odd that he would be tied to Navarro. I’m dubious of Navarro's claims to have coached horses and riders up to the Grand Prix level And if a lowly ammy like me can spot some likely b.s. and resume inflation such as that, I would think a former USET team member could too.

                          Maybe Eckhardt distanced himself from Navarro a while ago and the website is out of date on that score as well.
                          If you look at the calendar, there's no mention of Rick giving lessons at all, making me think he got the hell out. Kim does appear to be teaching. There's always been a constant turnover of employees at River Chase, so nothing would be surprising.

                          Navarro definitely exaggerates his "accomplishments". He once claimed to have groomed for Christopher Reeve; of course there's the "Professor" at GMU claim; he once claimed to have been an Army Ranger (he was never in the military, believe me); the BS is pretty darn deep. Guess he thinks people are stupid, and I guess some are, since they continue to train with him. Mind boggling, when you consider how many decent, upstanding, really talented trainers there are in the area.
                          Last edited by Gainer; Aug. 13, 2019, 07:08 PM. Reason: I wrote Special Ops, I meant Army Ranger. My bad...a fantasy on his part either way.

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                          • Originally posted by HoolieB View Post
                            Frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

                            I admit that early on I thought due process was completely disregarded by SS and that suspensions and permanent ineligibility were assigned upon accusations being made. I questioned SS and its flagrant abuse of power. When GM was affected, I thought it went too far. So I got myself to the forum here and looked forward to reading like-minded posts. Heh.

                            At first I was confused and put off by the more, er, passionate posts defending SS and the process. I mean, GM was the Grand Poobah of all things hunter/jumper. (For reference, I do fancy-prancing. Badly.) How could H/J folks not be up in arms about this injustice, this ancient and spurious charge of hedonistic behavior? So I kept reading here. And a funny thing happened: I got educated on SS and the process. I was reminded that abuse of power in the form of sexual abuse and the damage inflicted on victims has no expiration date. No longer can I put my head in the sand and think SS sanctions are a result of so-called witch hunts. In short, I am deeply embarrassed at my first reaction to the GM sanctions.

                            Thank you to everyone here who took the time to present facts. It made a difference.
                            Thank you. Now if you could just convince Robert Dover to drop by and give the thread a read too, that would be great!

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                            • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                              I mean, George Morris is a former USET member and chef. I don't know that that is necessarily proof of great character or judgement.
                              Believe me, I am embarrassed about how I let the celebrity of GM affect my perception.

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                              • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post

                                I was actually sort of curious as to what was up with this, and went back and looked at the website again, and realized I had misspelled a name. It’s Rick Eckhardt. He was a USET team member and has been a Pint Club examiner for the B and A levels, and also has a license to judge recognized shows apparently and was up until a few years ago.
                                With that spelling, he shows up as a USEF member, but not a licensed official according to the current list.

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                                • @ Gainer I was surprised to see Rick's name on the trainer list as well. I've known him for many years (not well) but since his Pan Am Games days (he was on the 3-day team, which if memory serves, won a gold medal) and always thought him to be very fair and knowledgeable, certainly not the type of person to be impressed by inflated claims of "accomplishments".
                                  I don't have much contact with Pony club, I know he's judged a lot of unrated hunter shows on the local circuit, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen him at all.

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                                  • Originally posted by Alterforme View Post
                                    There is now a new petition on change.org
                                    “Safe sport reform petition advocacy for George Morris and all usef members “.
                                    I saw it on fb
                                    Link - https://www.change.org/p/donald-j-tr...l-usef-members

                                    It was started by Sherry Pace.

                                    An excerpt from the petition:
                                    “Below is a bullet point list of the constitutional issues that need to be addressed:

                                    1. The right to know the charges and your accuser/accusers.
                                    2. The right to counsel.
                                    3.The concept of timely,civil proceedure .
                                    4.The acknowledgement of statute of limitations.
                                    5.The distinction of felony and misdemeanor of charges.

                                    In addition the process needs to be more in line with other organizations that have to handle similar situations.”

                                    I believe that #1 and the sentence after the first list are incorrect. 🤦🏼*♀️
                                    The Evil Chem Prof

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                                    • Originally posted by eeyore886 View Post
                                      So I have not read every comment posted here. I'm pretty sure there is enough from both sides. But here's my two cents for what it's worth. I am outraged that someone can reach out from 50 years ago and destroy a man's life with no proof except that it's now PC to do so. We watched the lies during the Kavanaugh hearing trying to destroy a good man's career and life with no proof, and no memory even. Now, because "me too" is trending, everyone who feels they were "abused" in some way is jumping on the band wagon. Without actual proof, it is wrong, even a sin, to ruin a man's reputation and livelihood. And I'm sorry that proof can't be had from 50years ago, but that's just too bad then. You can't destroy someone based on a memory. How can it even be answered., It's all he said, she said. And that's not good enough. If it did happen, it's unfortunate. But there is no way that anyone can be held liable for it now. This Safe Sport has gone too far. I am disgusted.
                                      This will not be a popular stand here, but I agree with the above post. What we are talking about is equal to sitting in judgment in 1950 (many of you were around in 1950!) on events from 1899. THAT is how far removed we are now from that distant day and its entire social context. If you would like to read, in depth, about the cultural background in which these alleged event(s) took place, please read this article straight through to the end: https://quillette.com/2019/08/10/the...f-gay-culture/ First-hand historical detail about Studio 54 and more with emphasis on how free-wheeling it all was at that time and why that is equally unimaginable today.

                                      The law may arbitrarily place the age of consent today at 16, 18, 21, the way things are trending it may soon hit 26! That is actually an historical anomaly; in just about all early cultures, women were considered marriageable post-puberty, and the Bar Mitzvah or equivalent for young men happened at 13 for a reason. Sexually mature older teens are not physically or mentally the same as "children," and I think repeatedly branding GHM a "pedophile" right now is out of line; totally different levels of agency there. Rife speculation and gossip aside, until either SafeSport or someone else comes forward with the specifics of this allegation, WE DON'T KNOW what the issue was with GHM or when it took place. "Misconduct" could be an inappropriate relationship because it involved both age difference and power disparity, but that is neither the definition of rape nor pedophilia. And anyone paying attention knows #metoo is very much a moving target that erupted extremely recently. Many things are now considered "abuse," just like in riding itself, that 50 years ago very few even thought about. We also know people can be wrongly accused; that's why "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is one of those Commandments that could use dusting off.

                                      It's a sad fact of human nature that when dealing with sports legends, music stars, movie luminaries, or the rich and powerful who can make or break others' rarefied dream careers, the "casting couch" is a lure. There are just as many young people (even their parents!) who think the ends justify the means to reach "the top" and bask in the limelight of that fame and fortune as there are "stars" whose human weakness or sense of entitlement takes advantage of it. If we were to memory-hole the work of every actor, model, musician, sportsman or even writer who exchanged sex for preferment, there honestly wouldn't be much left to watch on TV. We seem to be in a strange, post-religious cultural moment where we elevate ordinary, flawed, weak humans as "gods," and anoint them with perfection, then a few years later take great delight in ripping them down like wolves from the very pedestals we put them on to begin with.

                                      As the participants in this thread have thinned out after 90+ pages, it's quite noticeable that a majority of the remaining claim personal childhood abuse. Without in any way diminishing the experience of ANY victim, it must also be noted that such would be automatically excluded from jury selection in a case like this because any objectivity is impossible.



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                                      • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                                        This will not be a popular stand here, but I agree with the above post. What we are talking about is equal to sitting in judgment in 1950 (many of you were around in 1950!) on events from 1899. THAT is how far removed we are now from that distant day and its entire social context. If you would like to read, in depth, about the cultural background in which these alleged event(s) took place, please read this article straight through to the end: https://quillette.com/2019/08/10/the...f-gay-culture/ First-hand historical detail about Studio 54 and more with emphasis on how free-wheeling it all was at that time and why that is equally unimaginable today.

                                        The law may arbitrarily place the age of consent today at 16, 18, 21, the way things are trending it may soon hit 26! That is actually an historical anomaly; in just about all early cultures, women were considered marriageable post-puberty, and the Bar Mitzvah or equivalent for young men happened at 13 for a reason. Sexually mature older teens are not physically or mentally the same as "children," and I think repeatedly branding GHM a "pedophile" right now is out of line; totally different levels of agency there. Rife speculation and gossip aside, until either SafeSport or someone else comes forward with the specifics of this allegation, WE DON'T KNOW what the issue was with GHM or when it took place. "Misconduct" could be an inappropriate relationship because it involved both age difference and power disparity, but that is neither the definition of rape nor pedophilia. And anyone paying attention knows #metoo is very much a moving target that erupted extremely recently. Many things are now considered "abuse," just like in riding itself, that 50 years ago very few even thought about. We also know people can be wrongly accused; that's why "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is one of those Commandments that could use dusting off.

                                        It's a sad fact of human nature that when dealing with sports legends, music stars, movie luminaries, or the rich and powerful who can make or break others' rarefied dream careers, the "casting couch" is a lure. There are just as many young people (even their parents!) who think the ends justify the means to reach "the top" and bask in the limelight of that fame and fortune as there are "stars" whose human weakness or sense of entitlement takes advantage of it. If we were to memory-hole the work of every actor, model, musician, sportsman or even writer who exchanged sex for preferment, there honestly wouldn't be much left to watch on TV. We seem to be in a strange, post-religious cultural moment where we elevate ordinary, flawed, weak humans as "gods," and anoint them with perfection, then a few years later take great delight in ripping them down like wolves from the very pedestals we put them on to begin with.

                                        As the participants in this thread have thinned out after 90+ pages, it's quite noticeable that a majority of the remaining claim personal childhood abuse. Without in any way diminishing the experience of ANY victim, it must also be noted that such would be automatically excluded from jury selection in a case like this because any objectivity is impossible.


                                        Is there anything in the article linked in this post about adults having sex with 13-year olds? If there was, I missed it.

                                        The Evil Chem Prof

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                                        • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                                          This will not be a popular stand here, but I agree with the above post.
                                          In other news, the sky is blue. And George Morris is a bully.

                                          It makes me cringe to see posters talking in elaborately verbose circles to make excuses for GM - at all costs. Toss in a liberal dose of victim-blaming - and poor, dear GM is apparently an innocent lamb.

                                          You would also be eliminated from a jury selection in this case with your overwrought need to chastise, sneer and assert that GM should not have been ripped down like wolves from the very pedestal I never put him on to begin with.

                                          This process /investigation has been going on for 18 months. GM has known about it. Now I understand why the annual GM clinic in June at the farm next door never happened. He knew what was coming down the pipe. How I miss listening to him berate riders at the top of his lungs!

                                          SS does not need to provide any of us with "specifics" - nor do they rely on, as you dismissively call it, "rife speculation and gossip". GM knows the "specifics".

                                          You still have a very flawed view of the entire process and seem to be clinging to that outlook rather desperately.

                                          BTW - my abuse was not when I was a child - and I am sure that somehow that means (according to you) I was to blame, asked for it, deserved it, made it up, whatever....







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