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  • GM is an unholy a$$hat and there's is very little doubt in my mind that he did it.

    However still not a fan of Safe Sport at all
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    • Was the justice system utilized in this case, or in any of the other cases? That is my point. There are obvious weaknesses in the system, as in all systems, foremost of which is the political corruption that inevitably sets in when the ideal is blind justice. When you point out the unfairness to groups, you are correct, but it doesn't make following the rule of law any less essential. Corrupt judges are always politically motivated regardless of their idealogy. I suspect SS is equally unfair in that it appears to favor the victim at the cost of the accused without seeking a balanced opportunity to seek truth. Is GHM guilty? We will never know for certain. We may have suspicions. But we, the public, have the right to know, a right only possible through a public trial. SS does not provide that. If a victim is willing to bring charges, let them be made before a judge and jury.
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      • Admittedly haven't read the entire thread but worth noting that this story has also hit the NYT and the reporter who broke it said on her twitter that she has been running an investigation separate from SafeSport and that there was a more in depth story to come.

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        • I realize it's wrong to wish people could be prohibited from posting about safe sport who have either no idea how the process works or have an alterior motive for feigning ignorance in order to spread msinformation....but I still wish it.
          Let me apologize in advance.

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          • Originally posted by Tackpud View Post
            SS is not putting anyone in jail - it's just not allowing them to participate in a club.
            Let’s not pretend that a SafeSport ban isn’t going to have huge and devastating effects on a person’s life and livelihood ... it’s more than just being excluded from the country club.

            As it well should be, if the person in question is a predator and an ongoing threat... they’ve brought the consequences upon themself.

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            • Originally posted by MyssMyst View Post
              I don't think the justice system is perfect. FAR from it. But the reasons behind the statute of limitations are valid, and most states do up the limit when there's DNA evidence involved. Victims deserve to be heard, but I also respect the right of the accused to be able to defend themselves. The evidence degrades in quality the longer you get from an incident, which impacts both sides. What is considered credible on the Safesport side? Are they going with body of evidence? A certain number of people who come forward?

              I think we would have been better suited by victim advocacy within the justice system and making thata system that can really work for victims. Athletes aren't the only children we should be protecting. What about the foster kid who stays quiet because they don't know what else to do?

              I GET that sports and jail aren't the same thing, I do. But I think our justice system has some things really right, and they should be a starting point.
              Why are you bringing up foster kids unrelated to the USEF? Also, IF the allegations are from 50 years ago DNA tests weren’t admissible in court until the mid 80’s. The technology back then isn’t what it is today.

              If you PM FiSk123 they can explain in detail how the process works.

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              • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                I realize it's wrong to wish people could be prohibited from posting about safe sport who have either no idea how the process works or have an alterior motive for feigning ignorance in order to spread msinformation....but I still wish it.
                I too wish everyone would read the actual FACTS about the safe sport process and the previous threads before making the same comments that have been rehashed ad nauseum.

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                • Originally posted by BK6756 View Post

                  I too wish everyone would read the actual FACTS about the safe sport process and the previous threads before making the same comments that have been rehashed ad nauseum.
                  Apparently asking people to educate themselves makes you a big meanie. We are supposed to be gentle broken records.

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                  • Originally posted by boosma47 View Post
                    Was the justice system utilized in this case, or in any of the other cases? That is my point. There are obvious weaknesses in the system, as in all systems, foremost of which is the political corruption that inevitably sets in when the ideal is blind justice. When you point out the unfairness to groups, you are correct, but it doesn't make following the rule of law any less essential. Corrupt judges are always politically motivated regardless of their idealogy. I suspect SS is equally unfair in that it appears to favor the victim at the cost of the accused without seeking a balanced opportunity to seek truth. Is GHM guilty? We will never know for certain. We may have suspicions. But we, the public, have the right to know, a right only possible through a public trial. SS does not provide that. If a victim is willing to bring charges, let them be made before a judge and jury.
                    If you've followed any of the other threads you would see that the rules regarding criminal prosecution are very different than the rule regarding safe sport sanctioning. Criminal prosecution has a statute of limitation (varies depending on the state and the crime), Safe Sport does NOT.

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                    • Originally posted by Sticky Situation View Post

                      Let’s not pretend that a SafeSport ban isn’t going to have huge and devastating effects on a person’s life and livelihood ... it’s more than just being excluded from the country club.

                      As it well should be, if the person in question is a predator and an ongoing threat... they’ve brought the consequences upon themself.
                      Please understand that following lifetime bans people have still been and are super successful and revered in this industry. George will have no shortage of people willing to give him their money and denounce his victims as lying whores and opportunists. It has already started.
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                      • Someone took a screen shot of Andrew’s vile post and put it on the Facebook thread. Thankfully the moderators deleted it here.

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                        • Originally posted by adultammylife View Post
                          Admittedly haven't read the entire thread but worth noting that this story has also hit the NYT and the reporter who broke it said on her twitter that she has been running an investigation separate from SafeSport and that there was a more in depth story to come.
                          Whats the twitter? Can you link please so I can follow along, that sounds super interesting.

                          In case people haven't notice, the shoe has dropped. Epstein, Hollywood, everything is coming out in the open and its going to keep flowing. People are going to just have to learn to get over it when their heros are ousted as pervs and predators. A lot more coming down the pipes.
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                          • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                            Please understand that following lifetime bans people have still been and are super successful and revered in this industry. George will have no shortage of people willing to give him their money and denounce his victims as lying whores and opportunists. It has already started.
                            Maybe he should just retire already.
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                            • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                              Maybe he should just retire already.
                              No, George will fight this until he dies. And his ardent supporters will fund the whole thing. He won't spend a penny.
                              Let me apologize in advance.

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                              • Originally posted by rollingabout View Post

                                And what happens if it’s a false allegation?

                                Innocent until proven guilty.
                                this isn't a court system. He is banned from a private club/organization and business dealings involving said organization. You are not born with God given rights to be a member of any organization you so-choose. He is not banned from having an equine business or working with riders or owning horses. He is banned from any direct involvement with a private club. You can be kicked from any club at any time with no legal ramifications.

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                                • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                  Whats the twitter? Can you link please so I can follow along, that sounds super interesting.
                                  https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahMasl...52204866990081

                                  here’s the post and her responses re: forthcoming story. I’ll be following closely, that’s for sure.

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                                  • Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post

                                    I never said anything about the victims being minors. I never saw anywher (in an article) that the victims were minors. I never defended the guy. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
                                    I do think denali is getting a bit overexcited wrt you, but if you're going to comment on a subject, one would think you'd at least have bothered to read the entry on the suspention list--where it specifically mentions "minor", before you go on with the bothsides-ism.
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                                    • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                                      Please understand that following lifetime bans people have still been and are super successful and revered in this industry. George will have no shortage of people willing to give him their money and denounce his victims as lying whores and opportunists. It has already started.
                                      In the case of GM, that’s probably true. But I don’t know that the same would necessarily apply to a relative no-name who ended up with a lifetime ban.

                                      And again, I’m fine with that. There should be severe consequences for sexual abusers. I just think referring to the lifetime ban as just an exclusion from a club really downplays the seriousness of it.

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                                      • Originally posted by Sticky Situation View Post

                                        Let’s not pretend that a SafeSport ban isn’t going to have huge and devastating effects on a person’s life and livelihood ... it’s more than just being excluded from the country club.

                                        As it well should be, if the person in question is a predator and an ongoing threat... they’ve brought the consequences upon themself.
                                        Barney Ward, before he died, and Paul Valliere, to this day, have thriving businesses outside the USEF.
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                                        • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                                          Someone took a screen shot of Andrew’s vile post and put it on the Facebook thread. Thankfully the moderators deleted it here.
                                          Which facebook thread?
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