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  • Originally posted by poltroon View Post

    You say this like it would be a bad thing.

    In fact it is explicitly the intent of the SafeSport legislation to prevent sexual predators from coaching youth ever again. In gymnastics in particular, there were several local level coaches who owned a gym or were employees of a gym who molested kids while 'coaching' them. Those people shouldn't be allowed to coach kids. Time to find a new livelihood.
    See my post 1548 above-- this is a misunderstanding of my post

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    • Originally posted by skydy View Post
      Has anyone else seen this? Sorry if it's already been posted.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGc_d4IPGzM
      Very unimpressive, wordy, disorganized video.

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      • Originally posted by Figment View Post

        Very unimpressive, wordy, disorganized video.
        I thought it was strange that a dressage rider and her attorney husband would get on youtube and do this.

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        • Originally posted by Alterforme View Post
          Take George’s name off something.... like the George Morris excellence in equitation class & change it to the Micheal Hart memorial in equitation class. Or the stadium in tryon or the GM jr clinic.
          I was thinking about this too. With Jimmy Williams they took away the trophy and the JW oval. I’m curious to see if WEF will rename the eq championship and what tryon will do with the ring’s name. It would sure speak volumes if neither did anything.

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          • https://dressage-news.com/2019/08/11...piece-stadium/

            speaking of,

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            • Originally posted by eq6375 View Post
              they should get ahead of this now. Things are not going back to what they were regardless.

              I suggest they do what Tops did at Valkenswaard and name everything after great horses.
              Let me apologize in advance.

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              • Originally posted by pds View Post
                Makes me sad and sick to note the names of riders and trainers I formally respected that have shown they support child sexual abuse by attacking SafeSport and individuals.

                I can only hope that one day their hearts and minds open up to the truth. Just hope it is not too late for them all.
                I am wondering if they jumped on the GM bandwagon early, and now don't want to admit they acted before processing.

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                • @ Gainer That was the story I was told when he first came down here - 9-10 years ago. It may have changed since then. I haven't asked.

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                  • Originally posted by Figment View Post

                    I am wondering if they jumped on the GM bandwagon early, and now don't want to admit they acted before processing.
                    I suppose some don't want to tell parents that they've been paying $900/clinic to be taught by a child molester? Or they are looking for favors in return for loyalty?

                    Lots of these people are clearly warped from living on the alternate reality that is the circuit. They lost their moral compass a long time ago. Many of these people have been falling all over themselves to get a crumb from GM for so long they can't stop now.

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                    • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                      @ Gainer That was the story I was told when he first came down here - 9-10 years ago. It may have changed since then. I haven't asked.
                      He lies so often I suspect it's hard to keep them all straight. Neither explanation is acceptable.

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                      • Y'all are asking way too much of the slow, unmyelinated, ruthlessly self-serving beast that is a corporation like Tryon.

                        It has been just four business days since the sh!t hit the fan. An organization like Tryon doesn't move that fast. And when called to ask why they hadn't moved faster in the direction that the morally outraged would want, they have to pretend they have a more substantive reason than "Uh... we were doing other things" or "We hadn't thought about it until you called to ask us about it" or "Well, we want to see how the winds of Public Relations blow and it takes more than a week to lick our proverbial finger and stick it in the air."

                        Remember that Jimmy Williams' name wasn't stripped from stuff within four business days of his defrocking. Furthermore, Morris is still alive and, kicking, and I'd argue, still way, way ensconced in the East Coast Establishment of the industry, so taking his name off stuff threatens to piss off more people whose patronage Tryon might need. Not the same as removing the name of a West Coast trainer who died in 1993.
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                        • MVP I was referencing why people stand with George rather than why names hadn't been removed. I agree it's a bit too soon to expect his name to be obliterated.

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                          • Watching US Gymnastics Championships. I thought LiLi Leungs comments about the job they have, as an organization, to do... very well said.
                            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

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                            • Originally posted by Soaponarope View Post

                              I suppose some don't want to tell parents that they've been paying $900/clinic to be taught by a child molester? Or they are looking for favors in return for loyalty?

                              Lots of these people are clearly warped from living on the alternate reality that is the circuit. They lost their moral compass a long time ago. Many of these people have been falling all over themselves to get a crumb from GM for so long they can't stop now.
                              I think it is also people are afraid of their own past coming back to haunt them if SafeSport is allowed to continue, AND are worried Canada gets a similar program (coming soon). The reason I say this, is I am seeing people in my province, who don't even compete in Hunters/Jumpers, speaking in favour of GM. I think they are rallying around this in hopes that their own association removes itself from Safesport (or something similar in Canada).

                              Is their a Facebook group for people who support Safesport and the victims it represents? Or just a group against it?

                              Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                              • Originally posted by Figment View Post

                                I am wondering if they jumped on the GM bandwagon early, and now don't want to admit they acted before processing.
                                There are a number of people who Stand With George, but say it's only about improving Safe Sport. No. Standing with george is standing with george. Hit SafeSport Overhaul if you want to improve Safe Sport. They are actually focused on the law, not on excusing the behavior of pedophiles.

                                Should I be astonished by the number of people who STILL say Constitution! Due Process! when they talk about the problems with safe sport? It's always impressive to look like a uneducated fool when you are bitterly opposed to something.

                                And the number of times I see people equating SS (safe sport) with the 'other' SS is frankly appalling.
                                *****
                                You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                • Originally posted by goodmorning View Post

                                  Same sex intercourse wasn’t de-criminalized nationwide until rather recently - Look at FL, wasn’t decriminalized until 2003!

                                  I hope they update their retroactive enforcements for instances of sexual abuse. Pedophiles don’t change their habits. Grown men with high schoolers is never acceptable.
                                  You’re right that states were slow to actually take laws against sodomy off the books. However, most states stopped enforcing laws against sodomy well before they actually removed the laws.

                                  I would not be shocked if sodomy were still illegal in a couple of Southern states.

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                                  • Originally posted by mvp View Post
                                    Y'all are asking way too much of the slow, unmyelinated, ruthlessly self-serving beast that is a corporation like Tryon.

                                    It has been just four business days since the sh!t hit the fan. An organization like Tryon doesn't move that fast. And when called to ask why they hadn't moved faster in the direction that the morally outraged would want, they have to pretend they have a more substantive reason than "Uh... we were doing other things" or "We hadn't thought about it until you called to ask us about it" or "Well, we want to see how the winds of Public Relations blow and it takes more than a week to lick our proverbial finger and stick it in the air."

                                    Remember that Jimmy Williams' name wasn't stripped from stuff within four business days of his defrocking. Furthermore, Morris is still alive and, kicking, and I'd argue, still way, way ensconced in the East Coast Establishment of the industry, so taking his name off stuff threatens to piss off more people whose patronage Tryon might need. Not the same as removing the name of a West Coast trainer who died in 1993.
                                    The man still has the right to an appeal. Let’s see what they do after his appeal fails.
                                    Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Aug. 11, 2019, 11:33 PM.

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                                    • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                      You’re right that states were slow to actually take laws against sodomy off the books. However, most states stopped enforcing laws against sodomy well before they actually removed the laws.

                                      I would not be shocked if sodomy were still illegal in a couple of Southern states.
                                      And some people think that only SS couples practice "sodomy. Wrong.

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                                      • Originally posted by Midge View Post

                                        There are a number of people who Stand With George, but say it's only about improving Safe Sport. No. Standing with george is standing with george. Hit SafeSport Overhaul if you want to improve Safe Sport. They are actually focused on the law, not on excusing the behavior of pedophiles.

                                        Should I be astonished by the number of people who STILL say Constitution! Due Process! when they talk about the problems with safe sport? It's always impressive to look like a uneducated fool when you are bitterly opposed to something.

                                        And the number of times I see people equating SS (safe sport) with the 'other' SS is frankly appalling.
                                        Yup. The “other” SS, “star chamber”, the “Salem witch trials”, “McCarthyism”, etc etc

                                        fordtraktor has brought up some interesting points about a possible legal challenge to Safe Sport via the Sherman Act. It would amount to an unfair restriction of trade though, and it’s not a simple or easy case. I only grasp the basic theory behind this because of a background ion Macroeconomics, and studying the Sherman Act in detail in two different classes in terms of economic situations that gave rise to it.

                                        But all these other INSANE comparisons to really ugly parts of history involving totalitarianism and human rights abuses, fascist governments, etc? This is absurd. People need to get a grip.

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                                        • There actually was a part of me that was cynically wondering if the sheer difficulty of contemplating getting rid of every mention of him on stadiums and such was one of the reasons some people were so noisy and resistant. I'm even doing some soul-searching myself about what I should do with my copies of his books.

                                          I can't even make a comprehensive list, but I just want to thank every survivor in this thread who has shared their stories, whether of within the horse world or without, or even those who have simply suffered via witnessing abuse or working in an atmosphere where abuse was rife.
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