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  • Originally posted by chisamba View Post
    I just want to encourage the bravery of the survivor who had the courage to report.
    And what happens if it’s a false allegation?

    Innocent until proven guilty.

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    • Outside of the allegations, a sick part about this whole thing is that 'everyone heard the whispers', many heard stories from first hand individuals who experienced abuse. Even those who didn't get wind of the physical abuse were well aware of the emotional abuse he would frequently dole out.

      And yet STILL everyone was falling over themselves to give the man money and fame.

      If anyone wonders why SafeSport is necessary in our sport, here is your prime example. The industry is incapable of self regulation.

      I think a few more empires are due to crumble before the waters will begin to calm. I hope the rest of these wretched individuals are shaking in their boots, and get what's coming to them.

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      • In case more allegations come out, gay and pedophilia are different - so just because GM preferred adult males, doesn't mean he wouldn't target both genders in younger victims - studies of pedophiles and sex crimes show this correlation. So his homosexuality is not an argument against the validity of female victims' potential claims. And I don't care at all how long ago something happened. The only sympathy I can muster for allegations of sex wtih minors are cases where the minor is 17 and the offender 18, and the parents of the 17 year old pursue remedy... but pedophiles are monsters, IMO, and while innocent until proven guilty is true, if there are valid accusations to investigate, I believe they must remove the accused from contact with minors until it is known they are safe.

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        • Originally posted by rollingabout View Post

          And what happens if it’s a false allegation?

          Innocent until proven guilty.
          You dont understand do you. Safe sport only does permanent ineligible once it has established the report is valid enough to stand up to scrutiny.

          My praise for the courage of a survivor is even more intense in view of your attitude. After William's and Gage, they know they are going to be attacked and victim blamed. Esp when the abuser is someone with the status of GM makes it much more courageous.

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          • It has hit National News -Google News-https://www.si.com/olympics/2019/08/...ct-allegations

            Up til now, I've always assumed his relationships were carried on with consenting adults.
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            • My email was sent by ghmclinics.com
              Form follows function, or does function follow form?

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              • Originally posted by chisamba View Post

                You dont understand do you. Safe sport only does permanent ineligible once it has established the report is valid enough to stand up to scrutiny.

                My praise for the courage of a survivor is even more intense in view of your attitude. After William's and Gage, they know they are going to be attacked and victim blamed. Esp when the abuser is someone with the status of GM makes it much more courageous.
                Thank you! I can understand how upset people are, especially if they’ve always viewed GM as their hero. But this victim blaming is appalling. I’m so ashamed of how quickly people will turn on someone who likely had no recourse at the time it happened and has just now been able to feel safe coming forward.

                To anyone asking (rather blaming) the victim(s) for not coming forward earlier... I was assaulted by a stable hand - a person without an ounce of the power GM has - and I wasn’t able to report it for fear of repercussions. That man took away my safe place - I fled the barn unable to look at him or face anyone in the barn.

                That assault paralyzed me - I can’t imagine I would have been brave enough to report the veritable god of horses.

                If the equestrian community could stop victim blaming and reassess our priorities that would be great.

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                • Original Poster

                  So many people are shouting about the “ unfairness “ of SS once again, but they only seem to mention it’s unfair to GM. No one seems to care about the others on the SS list. I guess it’s only unfair if your famou.

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                  • Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                    It has hit National News -Google News-https://www.si.com/olympics/2019/08/...ct-allegations

                    Up til now, I've always assumed his relationships were carried on with consenting adults.
                    I assumed the exact opposite. When I read in his book that he supposedly had 10,000 sexual partners, I remember thinking there was no way all of those were willing, age-appropriate partners.
                    "Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?" Sun Tzu
                    Semantics

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                    • SS standards are not the same as the rule of law yet yield tremendous power over those accused. This issue came up with the Gage case and holds true for this and all others. GHM has been accused, judged and sentenced without a trial, without being afforded the right to confront his accuser. This is basic to our system of justice, yet SS seems to have created its own system with the power to ban, ruin, isolate those accused based on unproven allegations. If one has a credible case, bring it before a judge and jury. Don't hide behind the skirts of SS.
                      Form follows function, or does function follow form?

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                      • I am not surprised one bit. As verbally abusive as he was to his students in public, it's not a stretch to believe he was worse in private. There is an article in a recent Time magazine about Sara Teristi who was abused by Larry Nassar, and also emotionally abused by her coach, John Geddert.

                        https://time.com/5629228/larry-nassa...im-speaks-out/

                        And being nice and helpful to hundreds of people doesn't cancel the abuse of one.
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                        • Originally posted by HLMom View Post
                          That was predictable. It should be interesting. We'll see how many in the hunter/jumper world are really comfortable with the "no statutes of limitations" concept, where it means bringing down the sport's greatest luminary with 50 year old allegations.

                          (And please do not misinterpret my comment to mean I think his alleged behavior would be acceptable today or anytime in the last couple decades.)
                          So...... 30 years back would be OK?

                          Do you have a set of acts of sexual harassment or assault and a time frame for the statute of limitations in mind? When asked to defend those general claims about "different times," I find it becomes hard to sound credible.
                          The armchair saddler
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                          • Originally posted by 541hunter View Post

                            A person in power holding career advancement over someone’s head to coerce them into participating in sexual acts is absolutely harassment at the very least, if not rape depending on local laws and the scenario. That’s what your hypothetical situation here is describing - sexual coercion. And the person being coerced is absolutely not at fault, even if they said “yes” under duress.

                            Every single one of the threads on this topic goes the same way. I don’t mean to single anyone out (despite quoting one person, sorry!!), and I hope I don’t sound too uncivil. But I do wish more people on this forum and in the wider horse world were a bit better educated on the topic of sexual misconduct. It’s exhausting trying to kindly redirect people but for whatever reason I feel obligated.
                            Reposting this because it is perfect.

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                            • Originally posted by boosma47 View Post
                              SS standards are not the same as the rule of law yet yield tremendous power over those accused. This issue came up with the Gage case and holds true for this and all others. GHM has been accused, judged and sentenced without a trial, without being afforded the right to confront his accuser. This is basic to our system of justice, yet SS seems to have created its own system with the power to ban, ruin, isolate those accused based on unproven allegations. If one has a credible case, bring it before a judge and jury. Don't hide behind the skirts of SS.
                              Had the justice system done an adequate job of prosecuting sex crimes, I'll bet we wouldn't have SafeSport today.

                              Do you have anything better than a failed justice system or Safe Sport to offer victims of sexual harassment or assault, or do you think that the justice system is unimpeachable such that if you find yourself being the wrong color, gender, age or victim of the wrong kind of crime you are just SOL? I don't see how Justice (the concept, not the institutional system) ought to work differently for different classes of people.
                              The armchair saddler
                              Politically Pro-Cat

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                              • Here is a flow chart of how accusations are handled for all those saying there is no process and anyone accused is immediately banned. A lifetime suspension from the sport is quite far down the route that leads to resolutions. SS is not putting anyone in jail - it's just not allowing them to participate in a club.

                                Direct link https://uscenterforsafesport.org/wp-...-Process-2.pdf

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                                • Oh good, Robert Dover has weighed in to say that he stands with George because George didn't molest one specific guy he asked....
                                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  • I will wait for the appeal. The “ we all heard whispers” group should do so also. There is far too much HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW ( fill in the blank) going on here. If people have certain knowledge of abuse, no matter the time period, report.

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                                    • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                      There are multiple people saying she, which really helps to demonstrate how people who don't know someone at all, like really basic public knowledge, feel free to voice their insanely wrong and ignorant opinions. Like, you don't know George Morris is gay, I'm confused how you even know who he is then.
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                                      • Originally posted by mvp View Post

                                        Had the justice system done an adequate job of prosecuting sex crimes, I'll bet we wouldn't have SafeSport today.

                                        Do you have anything better than a failed justice system or Safe Sport to offer victims of sexual harassment or assault, or do you think that the justice system is unimpeachable such that if you find yourself being the wrong color, gender, age or victim of the wrong kind of crime you are just SOL? I don't see how Justice (the concept, not the institutional system) ought to work differently for different classes of people.
                                        Form follows function, or does function follow form?

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                                        • I don't think the justice system is perfect. FAR from it. But the reasons behind the statute of limitations are valid, and most states do up the limit when there's DNA evidence involved. Victims deserve to be heard, but I also respect the right of the accused to be able to defend themselves. The evidence degrades in quality the longer you get from an incident, which impacts both sides. What is considered credible on the Safesport side? Are they going with body of evidence? A certain number of people who come forward?

                                          I think we would have been better suited by victim advocacy within the justice system and making thata system that can really work for victims. Athletes aren't the only children we should be protecting. What about the foster kid who stays quiet because they don't know what else to do?

                                          I GET that sports and jail aren't the same thing, I do. But I think our justice system has some things really right, and they should be a starting point.
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