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  • Originally posted by Figment View Post
    Jackie Cochran- so glad you are really paying attention, especially for your grandkids. As long as they are attended by the right family/friend members, they can throughly enjoy riding! And their riding instructors will not need to worry about too much responsibility of the children of others.
    I understand where Jackie C is coming from. I might get my boys lessons at a local barn, but after this the thought of getting back into the horse show world....i haven’t shown in a few years since my last horse sadly died, and I’m really turned off by the idea of giving money to, rubbing elbows with, and sharing ingate space with the people making all these amazingly cruel, awful comments and showing such disregard for basic humanity. I can’t see the ISWG group, but I know there’s a lot of them. But the RG threads, the NYT article comments, and the COTH FB page responses are nauseating enough.

    And knowing none of those people would give a sh*t if something did happen to my boys if it was done by someone prominent and influential enough in that small insular world I used to love so much.

    Like someone else posted, thank God the horse show world finally had an HR department. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

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    • Originally posted by BLBGP View Post
      It’s shocking how polarized everything is right now and how so many people form unshakable beliefs off headlines and misinformation.

      I completely understand why Safe Sport needs to be quiet about allegations publicly. I see how victims are being talked about on social media (hell, they’re still bashing Anne K and blaming her for everything) and even if safe sport came out with only vague details, people would seek out the victim and attack. But, the problem is that allows the perpetrator to craft the storyline. And it seems the first thing people read is what they believe forever. Thus the 17 3/4 storyline with RG and the one jilted lover 40 years ago with GM. I do a lot of crisis communications and in today’s world, speed is the most important thing. Even just one hour of silence while you’re crafting a response is enough to make people believe the crisis. What happened to critical thinking?

      And when finally proved wrong they dont don’t come back to apologize. They just move on to the next shiny thing of the day.
      Might I remind Gentle Readers that half the human race is "below average" in IQ? That "reading for comprehension" is a lost skill in a clickbait world with a 15-second attention span, where people are programmed that belief = fact, and legal knowledge and interpretation are the exclusive province of career specialists?

      Maybe all iterations of Social Media are a major part of "how polarized everything is right now." If this trainer and situation do not touch your life, you are not his client nor a pro grappling with the changes to your business that all this demands, what dog do you have in this fight that has caused you to spend by now tens of hours writing book-length combined posts? You're not horse pros or even H/J competitors. Just seems a little odd to me . . .

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      • Originally posted by alicen View Post

        Pha! Vocabulary? You didn't say the word s.e.x. Sex was bad and only something that marriage mysteriously legitimized. Catcher in the Rye was read guiltily on the sly and Peyton Place didn't hit tv until 1964. The message was that sex was bad and by extension, so were you for having anything to do with it even if the source was a child molester. Besides, you did what your elders told you to do. Very few kids would have had enlightened parents to run home to and say, "Mommy, mommy guess what happened at the barn today?" So, yes, I'm really glad the s**t has the fan.
        I think SafeSport needed to happen, then, too.... for all the parents who were-- by virtue of their training-- untrustworthy guardians of their children against sexual predators. Yikes!
        The armchair saddler
        Politically Pro-Cat

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        • Crashing Boar like it seems "a little odd" to most of us that anyone who isn't a monster would be falling over themselves to defend a sexual predator who targets children.
          Let me apologize in advance.

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          • Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
            To go back to the beginning, what, it seems to me that Safe Sport is about, is not exactly the sex act itself, but the Casting Couch. What I mean is that in almost every area of life, people with the power to create a future for someone use that power in exchange for sex. They treat people as prostitutes who will sell themselves for a chance at power and fame.

            There is really no difference between Weinstein and Morris.

            This has been a part of humanity for as long as there has been humanity. There are plenty of people who will sell their bodies for their futures. And there are plenty of people who think this exchange is rational. And there are plenty of people who will take advantage of the Casting Couch.

            We seem to be at a sea change in acceptance of the Casting Couch. We no longer believe that it's acceptable to extort sex for career promotion. But when the people being extorted are so young that they do not have the wisdom to weigh the cost of giving sex against the benefits offered, who do not understand that this is a cold matter of business, who may not even recognize that they are being offered the Casting Couch, we now are saying that these young people (indeed all people) need protection from those who will extort sex in exchange for career promotion.

            That is what Safe Sport is about--protection from the Casting Couch, not consensual sex between equal adults.
            Best post of the thread--welcome to Reality!

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            • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

              Might I remind Gentle Readers that half the human race is "below average" in IQ? That "reading for comprehension" is a lost skill in a clickbait world with a 15-second attention span, where people are programmed that belief = fact, and legal knowledge and interpretation are the exclusive province of career specialists?

              Maybe all iterations of Social Media are a major part of "how polarized everything is right now." If this trainer and situation do not touch your life, you are not his client nor a pro grappling with the changes to your business that all this demands, what dog do you have in this fight that has caused you to spend by now tens of hours writing book-length combined posts? You're not horse pros or even H/J competitors. Just seems a little odd to me . . .
              "This trainer" has "touched" the lives of the majority of people that have ever been involved in the H/J and Showjumping worlds.
              His books were read, his training exercises were used, his clinics were attended and audited, etc... That's why it is being discussed.

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              • Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                4LeafCloverFarm I’m so sorry you had to endure that. It does provide an example of why people don’t just speak up.
                Thanks Peggy. Other than my mother and much later in life (in my late 20s) to my sister, I've not told that story to anyone. But I thought that a different perspective from those long ago days might be beneficial for those that grew up quite differently and are scratching their heads as to why more children didn't say something to someone back then (or even now, in the present). Its just not as easy and straightforward as it sounds.
                ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~

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                • Originally posted by Gainer View Post

                  This is what bothers me...nearby there is a registered sex offender that runs a boarding/training barn and lesson program. He's very well known in the horse community around here. And yet...parents happily hand over their money and drop their daughters off to train/lesson with this guy. Most of the parents don't even bother to stick around; you can get run over by the minivans that barely slow down while tossing their kids out in the courtyard. And they leave them there all day, unsupervised. Do they think he's harmless because he's married?

                  I've heard him at shows making comments about various girls...not comments any 40 something adult male should be thinking, let alone saying out loud.

                  Don't parents thoroughly check out these people first? With the internet, it's pretty darn easy to do. Why do parents just turn their children over to anybody claiming to be a coach?
                  Why haven’t you reported this person to authorities or safe sport?
                  I apologize if you have answered this question already.

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                  • Originally posted by mkevent View Post
                    This just showed up on my news feed...
                    http://thehorseofdelawarevalley.com/
                    Wtf they actually said that george being banned was worse than the shooting.

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                    • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post
                      If this trainer and situation do not touch your life, you are not his client nor a pro grappling with the changes to your business that all this demands, what dog do you have in this fight that has caused you to spend by now tens of hours writing book-length combined posts? You're not horse pros or even H/J competitors. Just seems a little odd to me . . .
                      This is my sport, I grew up in it, I have a daughter that rides, my friends compete in it as amateurs and professionals, I grew up reading George Morris and have watched a few clinics. I spoke to him when he came to clinic at Middle Ranch once; as a boarder I didn't have to pay (extra) to be there that day, and he was very charming to me. But I always suspected he may have mistaken me for someone with real money, or maybe he was just having a good day. He said nice things about me in my picture sent for the Practical Horseman Jumping Clinic.

                      But the abuse that he has shown over the years is not only problematic in its own right; it is worse in his role as a trainer of trainers and compounded by his role as a gatekeeper on the USET and in AHSA governance.

                      (Edited to add: Crashing Boar also may not be aware that GM has trained riders in multiple disciplines, most prominently including dressage and eventing, not just hunters and jumpers, and of course his influence at AHSA/USEF covered all of horse sport. So yes, everyone in horse sport has 'a dog in this fight.')

                      I love horse sport, have competed in multiple disciplines, and want to see it continue to thrive and to become more accessible to kids all over the US, including kids from all economic, racial, and cultural backgrounds. I've been quietly doing my own thing to covertly spread my love of horses wherever I can, probably as revenge against my elementary school teachers who hoped I'd diversify my interests.

                      You aren't going to take my sport away from me.
                      Last edited by poltroon; Aug. 10, 2019, 07:31 PM.
                      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                      • Originally posted by sixteenhands View Post

                        Why haven’t you reported this person to authorities or safe sport?
                        I apologize if you have answered this question already.
                        If he is a registered sex offender it is unlikely that he is a member of USEF. If he is, then he does need to be reported.

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                        • Circling back fordtractor- i guess i have to read up on the Sherman Act now!

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                          • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                            Maybe all iterations of Social Media are a major part of "how polarized everything is right now." If this trainer and situation do not touch your life, you are not his client nor a pro grappling with the changes to your business that all this demands, what dog do you have in this fight that has caused you to spend by now tens of hours writing book-length combined posts? You're not horse pros or even H/J competitors. Just seems a little odd to me . . .
                            If you truly believe this then I can’t help but think that you have always been on the very fringes of horse sport. It doesn’t matter that we no longer show, switched disciplines, no longer pros, never been pros or spend time on the circuit.

                            Many of of us have read his books, attended clinics as riders and/or auditors, read his articles in practical horseman, and at some point had or still have respect for him as the trainer of trainers and a horseman.

                            He also is one out of many that engaged in this type of behavior across the disciplines. We want our sport cleaned up. I want kids to be able to have my amazing experiences as a junior at the barn. I don’t want them to have to worry about or deal with abuse of any kind.

                            Now I ask you, what dog do you have in this fight?

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                            • Originally posted by skydy View Post

                              If he is a registered sex offender it is unlikely that he is a member of USEF. If he is, then he does need to be reported.
                              Or he operates on local circuits like Tom Navarro and Mitch Steege.

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                              • Well that makes sense (that the “editor” is the owner). She is a horse person, but doesn’t have any real credentials in journalism or formal education listed. Her article reads like a grade-school level rant by someone who didn’t bother doing their homework. I was thinking there was no way a reputable media outlet would employ an editor like that.

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                                • I have recently had conversations with people I like and respect about the recent SS bans. I find the same denial, blame-the-victim, why bring this up now, it was a different time, ad nauseam. I can only hope that the scales will fall from their eyes one day.

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                                  • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                    Or he operates on local circuits like Tom Navarro and Mitch Steege.
                                    Does the AQHA follow SS?
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                                    • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                                      Might I remind Gentle Readers that half the human race is "below average" in IQ?
                                      Please review mean, median, and mode.
                                      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                      • Originally posted by hoopoe View Post

                                        Does the AQHA follow SS?
                                        I don’t think they do. It’s only organizations that fall under the umbrella of USEF.

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                                        • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post
                                          If this trainer and situation do not touch your life, you are not his client nor a pro grappling with the changes to your business that all this demands, what dog do you have in this fight that has caused you to spend by now tens of hours writing book-length combined posts? You're not horse pros or even H/J competitors. Just seems a little odd to me . . .
                                          Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that I needed to be his client, a pro, or a current H/J competitor to be entitled to any opinion about what's currently going on.

                                          I am a survivor of sexual abuse. I am a middle aged woman that grew up in the H/J world, getting off the bus and going straight to the stables with a bagged lunch type dinner, and coming home only after all the lessons were over and horses were untacked and bedded down. I lived and breathed horses from the time I was 6 til I was out of high school and unfortunately couldn't afford to continue. Having a pretty unhappy home-life, I was ripe for the picking if someone in the horse world had wished to abuse me. That sends shivers down my spine as these allegations come to light. That could have been me. That could have been a lot of us.

                                          Some here have shared their own stories in and out of the horse world of the lasting effects of abuse, and in some cases even coming forward did nothing or only created more hurt.

                                          4LeafCloverFarm I too came forward, although after several years and was met with the response that he's such a nice guy, I must be exaggerating or making it up. I shut up then, and I'm ashamed to say that it took me 2 decades to become "unshutupable." I know your pain, and I'm sorry.

                                          Find it odd all you want Crashing Boar that some of us are not in George Morris's world at the moment but still have our voices and opinions. As far as GM in particular is concerned, I've never personally interacted with him, I wasn't there when the abuse took place, but I do come from a place that can understand what those accusers went through and are still going through. Neither you, nor my family that tried to victim-blame will shame me or cause me to shut up when it comes to the topic of outing abusers or rapists in any sport, church, family, business, or group. I find it a little odd that you would try to silence anyone that isn't directly involved with GM.

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