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  • Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post

    I couldn't get that link to open but I did find one from the NY times. I had only seen allegations of misconduct. I wasn't argueing that it was a minor and I wasn't saying it was ok that it was a minor.

    george-morris-equestrian-banned.html
    The allegations are sexual misconduct with a minor.

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    • Originally posted by Tiramit View Post
      Denali, yours is a rather abrasive approach that borders on rabid. Farmpony's new and admitted that she didn't know much about the situation. She made a neutral yet sad statement. Rather than educate, you belittled and mocked. How is that productive?

      Farmpony84, Denali doesn't discuss, she attacks. Just see the other thread (Rob Gage). Don't worry about it. Many of us just skip over her posts.
      I gave her reading homework. Links were posted about why. Really? I’m to tolerate people who cannot or will not read? Skip my posts support the toxic life that is the industry. Make excuses. By all means carry on.

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      • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

        I gave her reading homework. Links were posted about why. Really? I’m to tolerate people who cannot or will not read?
        You are very passionate, but this particular exchange was quite harsh.
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        • I'm not going to bother arguing with you but will comment that in your frothy victim defenses you have created... a victim.
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          • Originally posted by Tiramit View Post
            I'm not going to bother arguing with you but will comment that in your frothy victim defenses you have created... a victim.
            Nah. Just don’t support people in their BS. Blunt yes. Sorry. I do not tolerate an unwillingness to not understand protecting minors. My bad. I suffer fools lightly.

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            • Originally posted by AffirmedHope View Post

              He was born into a pretty wealthy family if I recall correctly.
              A friend who rode with him told me George’s inheritance was around $1.6M. That is just hearsay, but if it’s true - running Hunterdon must have been expensive and $1.6 isn’t much compared to what many of his clients have. I guess he got big commissions on horse sales, etc. but I don’t think he’s a one percenter.

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              • Originally posted by AliCat View Post

                You are very passionate, but this particular exchange was quite harsh.
                I expect people to ask questions if they are not well versed in a subject rather than expressing opinions.

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                • Interesting. After Rob Gage I was wondering whether George Morris would be next.
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                  • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                    Nah. Just don’t support people in their BS. Blunt yes. Sorry. I do not tolerate an unwillingness to not understand protecting minors. My bad. I suffer fools lightly.
                    Again. I never said that sexual misconduct towards a minor was ok. I never said any of that and I never thought that. Again... You are slathering your BS all over thread while you try to bully me into submission and accuse me of being an idiot. All I can say is. Bless your heart.

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                    • Originally posted by AffirmedHope View Post

                      He was born into a pretty wealthy family if I recall correctly.
                      If I remember correctly he said in his book that he didn't make much money and that his SO financed Hunterdon, which was why it, and most of his memorabilia, was sold when their relationship ended.

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                      • I find it curious that no one has mentioned others that were added to the list today.
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                        • Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post

                          Again. I never said that sexual misconduct towards a minor was ok. I never said any of that and I never thought that. Again... You are slathering your BS all over thread while you try to bully me into submission and accuse me of being an idiot. All I can say is. Bless your heart.
                          So he is on list for sexual misconduct with a minor. I know now you’re not defending that but you need to realize that’s why people get on the SS list. There is no “well the victims got something out of it” because they were minors at the time.

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                          • I can’t believe there are people out there who are even the buying the PR spin that these sanctions are for a single incident that happened close to 50 years ago. We all know by know that the “permanent ineligibility” sanction is reserved for the most serious infractions and those who currently represent a potential threat to minors. He can appeal and if he does, I’m sure we will find out more. However I’m guessing that as in the Rob Gage case, other victims will feel empowered to come forward.

                            And sexual misconduct aside, GM is literally the poster child for bullying in equestrian sport. Isn’t that exactly the sort of thing SafeSport is meant to deal with? Yet we have all the same gnashing and wailing of teeth that he should somehow be free from the consequences of his actions due to his age, fame, or both.

                            Personally, when a team of experts from outside the sport have completed an initial investigation and found sufficient evidence to impose a permanent ban, I tend to believe them.

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                            • Originally posted by flofleming View Post

                              Where did you find info on Gage’s accusers speaking out and their ages? Thanks.
                              On the thread about him. Hilary Ridland and a couple of others had a meeting at a show in California to address their accusations and try to stop the false information that was being spread.

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                              • Originally posted by RioTex View Post
                                I find it curious that no one has mentioned others that were added to the list today.
                                l only see one. Jonathon Soresi and that is listed under suspensions/ineligible, not a permanent ineligible ban. Both are subject to appeal.

                                Surely we all must realize that this sanction was not imposed capriciously. Mr. Morris has friends and if money is the only hurdle to disproving the accusations against him, it will be provided by someone.

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                                • Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
                                  I can’t believe there are people out there who are even the buying the PR spin that these sanctions are for a single incident that happened close to 50 years ago. We all know by know that the “permanent ineligibility” sanction is reserved for the most serious infractions and those who currently represent a potential threat to minors. He can appeal and if he does, I’m sure we will find out more. However I’m guessing that as in the Rob Gage case, other victims will feel empowered to come forward.

                                  And sexual misconduct aside, GM is literally the poster child for bullying in equestrian sport. Isn’t that exactly the sort of thing SafeSport is meant to deal with? Yet we have all the same gnashing and wailing of teeth that he should somehow be free from the consequences of his actions due to his age, fame, or both.

                                  Personally, when a team of experts from outside the sport have completed an initial investigation and found sufficient evidence to impose a permanent ban, I tend to believe them.
                                  Agree on all counts. It's always bothered me how GM has been allowed to get away with bullying over the years due to his reputation and being put on a pedestal by others in the industry (he's a human y'all, not a god, I promise). Do I respect his knowledge of classical riding? Yes. Do I respect him as a person? No. I wish he'd been held responsible for his actions long ago but am glad that SS is capable of doing such.

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                                  • Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post
                                    However, sometimes in situations like this, the victim isn't exactly innocent because being quiet or participating in certain acts may have helped them advance in their career path.

                                    Only the victim, the accused, and the man upstairs knows the truth in the situation.

                                    Eitherway, it saddens me.
                                    A person in power holding career advancement over someone’s head to coerce them into participating in sexual acts is absolutely harassment at the very least, if not rape depending on local laws and the scenario. That’s what your hypothetical situation here is describing - sexual coercion. And the person being coerced is absolutely not at fault, even if they said “yes” under duress.

                                    Every single one of the threads on this topic goes the same way. I don’t mean to single anyone out (despite quoting one person, sorry!!), and I hope I don’t sound too uncivil. But I do wish more people on this forum and in the wider horse world were a bit better educated on the topic of sexual misconduct. It’s exhausting trying to kindly redirect people but for whatever reason I feel obligated.
                                    Last edited by 541hunter; Aug. 6, 2019, 12:35 AM. Reason: typo

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                                    • Originally posted by Room for a Pony View Post

                                      Unless the PR firm has already been involved with equestrian clients, they would not have access to any email list. They might buy an email list from a publication or organization, but they couldn't compile one on the spur of the moment. Whoever sent the email with his statement knew this was coming; he would have had to have hired the PR firm before this hit the fan.

                                      I find it interesting that lifetime suspensions are being handed down for reasons that are not always completely clear to the general public or even people involved in the horse world (criminal convictions aside), yet there are people currently working in the industry who were involved in, and pled guilty to, insurance fraud schemes that killed horses.
                                      Two of which were permanently banned from USEF before Safe Sport existed.

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                                      • Originally posted by skydy View Post

                                        Two of which were permanently banned from USEF before Safe Sport existed.
                                        I am aware of two who were involved and are still in the industry. Sometimes working together, still.

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                                          I’m wondering if the “ 50 yr old allegation “, is just a PR move ....similar to RG’s “ it was a mutual relationship with a girl just shy of her 18th birthday “.
                                          I’ve heard rumors of George liking young boys for years. This is no shocker to me. Wonder if tryon will change the name of its stadium & his name will be removed from any awards.

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