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  • Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post

    I think that many of GM's close associates did indeed know exactly what was going on. I think most just put their own spin on it so that they could continue to associate with him without suffering mental pain. A lot of them probably convinced themselves that the relationships were consensual and just mentally shied away from any acknowledgement that a 12/13/14 year old can't give consent. Some I think probably simply refused to believe what was going on even when the evidence was in clear view.

    For many, I don't think it's shock and disbelief so much as it's a refusal to give up their own denial because if they are forced to do so, what does that say about them? That they knew about and condoned child molestation? No one wants to believe that about themselves.
    This could very well be. They also may believe that even if they saw some things, that was just George being George and harmless.
    But, if we have learned nothing else from these SS procedings, it should be that child predators are very good at what they do. Look at the Jimmy Williams story; how many adults knew what was going on but ignored it, because they liked Jimmy? It is a staple of these people to make those around them, people who would usually gag at the thought of what they are doing, stay quiet. How they do that is a very interesting psychology discussion that is out of my pay grade.
    If they weren’t persuasive people, they would have gotten caught a long time ago.

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    • I found this old thread that describes some of the nasty comments GM made over the years (they aren't all from GM, but many are). https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...quotes-sayings

      Putting dirt in the mouth of a rider who yawned during a clinic? Making another rider roll in the dirt? To be honest, he is beginning to sound like a sociopath. Perhaps this whole debacle will trigger some reflection by the h/j community as to how such abusive behavior came to be widely accepted and even admired as the path to riding prowess. It's like there was some kind of mass delusion going on. (And I don't mean on this board. By and large people on this forum are such intelligent and independent thinkers, it is really quite impressive).

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      • Originally posted by prairiewind2 View Post

        But he didn't do all this stuff in order to be great. He did it because it was obviously an emotional need on his part. And I'm not even talking about these latest findings, just about his obvious and known behaviors. He abused the weak, not the strong. Animals, children.
        He did those things, and STILL became great, God-like to too many.
        I think that is the point.
        Those actions [see the linked thread above] should have brought his greatness to a screeching halt.
        How sad that it didn't.
        Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

        http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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        • If you like Mexican food, you go to a Mexican restaurant. If you like children, you go where the children are. You might like children in a healthy way, or you might like them in a sick way.

          Perhaps you are attracted to them in a sexual way, or perhaps you are cruel and insecure. If you are cruel and insecure, you can choose both children and animals as victims. That is why there is cruelty all over in the animal show worlds.

          It is nothing new. My mother still talks about a teacher she had in grade school. He was verbally vicious and physically vicious. He enjoyed castigating and beating children he deemed as having misbehaved. You can still see the terror in her eyes as she speaks of him. She will be 90 in a couple of months.

          To me, GM advertised his nature in his clinics. Anything else you might tell me about his transgressions is not a surprise.

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          • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

            He did those things, and STILL became great, God-like to too many.
            I think that is the point.
            Those actions [see the linked thread above] should have brought his greatness to a screeching halt.
            How sad that it didn't.
            Thank you for explaining it better.

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            • I joined the I stand with George page to see what they are saying.
              Within the last couple of hours, Jim Giorgio posted his suggestion for a “Federal class action lawsuit”, with the math again (just $10 per person if 50,000 people contribute. )

              It was a comment on a post by Ann Reilly, who responded “We need to do this.” ... “This is just making the sport look BAD, and their [sic] will be a drop in participation. Who wants their kids in a sport where it looks like it’s [sic] leaders have been bad eggs for years.”

              ​​​​​​​Indeed.

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              • Do people ever read what they write?

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                • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post
                  I joined the I stand with George page to see what they are saying.
                  Within the last couple of hours, Jim Giorgio posted his suggestion for a “Federal class action lawsuit”, with the math again (just $10 per person if 50,000 people contribute. )

                  It was a comment on a post by Ann Reilly, who responded “We need to do this.” ... “This is just making the sport look BAD, and their [sic] will be a drop in participation. Who wants their kids in a sport where it looks like it’s [sic] leaders have been bad eggs for years.”

                  ​​​​​​​Indeed.
                  Well I'm a lot LESS likely to put my kid in a sport where all the well known professionals close ranks to protect an abuser, than I am to put my kid in a sport where the governing body at least sanctions people and bans them when things are discovered.

                  Do they even hear themselves?

                  "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                  My CANTER blog.

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                  • Which was of course every school and church and family's line for decades.


                    Ssshhh no one can know!


                    We certainly can't even try to curtail sexually assaulting children, so it's imperative we shut people up
                    Let me apologize in advance.

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                    • Originally posted by prairiewind2 View Post

                      But he didn't do all this stuff in order to be great. He did it because it was obviously an emotional need on his part. And I'm not even talking about these latest findings, just about his obvious and known behaviors. He abused the weak, not the strong. Animals, children.
                      If all that wasn't enough- admitting/claiming or both to 10,000 sexual partners also tells you there is something NQR.

                      (just to be clear- I realize under 18 is a minor which =child, heck sometimes anyone younger than me I call a child. I typically think of child as below the age of puberty and minor as under 18. Not to split hairs).
                      Come to the dark side, we have cookies

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                      • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post
                        I joined the I stand with George page to see what they are saying.
                        Within the last couple of hours, Jim Giorgio posted his suggestion for a “Federal class action lawsuit”, with the math again (just $10 per person if 50,000 people contribute. )

                        It was a comment on a post by Ann Reilly, who responded “We need to do this.” ... “This is just making the sport look BAD, and their [sic] will be a drop in participation. Who wants their kids in a sport where it looks like it’s [sic] leaders have been bad eggs for years.”

                        ​​​​​​​Indeed.
                        LOL Sooooo traditional. If you don't like the message, kill the messenger.

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                        • Originally posted by prairiewind2 View Post

                          LOL Sooooo traditional. If you don't like the message, kill the messenger.
                          More importantly people are rallying around a convicted sex offender. Just google Jim Gorgio

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                          • Following this more or less closely. I'd suggest taking pause before joining that page in support of GM. It would be very easy to get lumped into a certain group when your name appears on the list of supporters.

                            I have been a GM fan for a long time. This scandal has made me reevaluate. No one is important enough to overlook, defend, or coverup the abuse of a child. It's not ok and I believe SS did the right thing. I hope they are brave enough to stand firm.
                            Power to the People

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                            • @ HLMom

                              found this old thread that describes some of the nasty comments GM made over the years (they aren't all from GM, but many are). https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...quotes-sayings
                              Edited: that should have been a quote

                              You know what floors me? Most of the responders thought those things were hilarious. And that was only about 10 years ago.
                              Last edited by dannyboy; Aug. 8, 2019, 03:19 PM.

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                              • Gross about GMs actions in clinics, and training riders. He SCREAMS abuser, not sure how it was missed all those years. Kind of insane when you think about it.

                                I found the best way to tackle the #istandwithgeorge on Facebook. I just reply with - thank you for making it public you support child predators!

                                I doubt anyone wants that comment associated with them, so either will delete or wear the label. Either way is a win.

                                I also think #youstandwithchildabusers is another good reply comment for those ones.

                                Just trying to think of ways to change the message they are putting out. I wish I was creative enough to make a good meme I could just post under all the supportive comments.
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                                • Originally posted by roseymare View Post
                                  The Saddlebred Morgan and Arabian peeps are circling the wagons as well. Led by one Mr Cates. Maybe not to the same extent but many are using the witch Hunt label and throwing around the same language about rights and innocence.
                                  "Rights" and "innocence" are meaningful words to many USEF members, especially when the rules they agree to as members can be over taken by SS. USEF membership didn't have a vote on whether to allow SS to be able to set down members; it was mandated by the federal government.

                                  If members disagree with the SS process, their choice is to take a stand, and demand reform, and/or cancel their memberships. Both are happening. Not everyone is defending GM's actions that caused him to be banned from USEF; they've joined the I Stand with George group because they object to the SS process (not the intent), as it's being implemented.

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                                  • they believe in innocence...

                                    Oh the irony.
                                    Let me apologize in advance.

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                                    • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                                      . Not everyone is defending GM's actions that caused him to be banned from USEF; they've joined the I Stand with George group because they object to the SS process (not the intent), as it's being implemented.
                                      The problem is when many of the folks objecting to the "process" don't even bother to understand what the process is, and continue to basically make stuff up about it.
                                      "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                                      My CANTER blog.

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                                      • Originally posted by Mardi View Post

                                        "Rights" and "innocence" are meaningful words to many USEF members, especially when the rules they agree to as members can be over taken by SS. USEF membership didn't have a vote on whether to allow SS to be able to set down members; it was mandated by the federal government.

                                        If members disagree with the SS process, their choice is to take a stand, and demand reform, and/or cancel their memberships. Both are happening. Not everyone is defending GM's actions that caused him to be banned from USEF; they've joined the I Stand with George group because they object to the SS process (not the intent), as it's being implemented.
                                        Then maybe they should have joined one of the FB groups that were actually about Overhauling SafeSport if that is their actual goal.
                                        Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                                        • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                                          Gross about GMs actions in clinics, and training riders. He SCREAMS abuser, not sure how it was missed all those years. Kind of insane when you think about it.

                                          I found the best way to tackle the #istandwithgeorge on Facebook. I just reply with - thank you for making it public you support child predators!

                                          I doubt anyone wants that comment associated with them, so either will delete or wear the label. Either way is a win.

                                          I also think #youstandwithchildabusers is another good reply comment for those ones.

                                          Just trying to think of ways to change the message they are putting out. I wish I was creative enough to make a good meme I could just post under all the supportive comments.
                                          How about #IStandWithVictims

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