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  • #61
    But you certainly do.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
      There are multiple people saying she, which really helps to demonstrate how people who don't know someone at all, like really basic public knowledge, feel free to voice their insanely wrong and ignorant opinions. Like, you don't know George Morris is gay, I'm confused how you even know who he is then.
      I did not!
      "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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      • #63
        Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post

        I did not!
        What? How? That’s what amazes me about the “why did they wait 50 years” posts. Okay cuz gay people were accepted then

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
          vxf111 tried to send you a PM, but thank you.
          That was vitriolic and awful, glad it’s gone

          Since changing forums my PMs are permanently broken
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          • #65
            Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post
            But you certainly do.
            I would suggest searching Safe Sport and George Morris here before commenting further.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

              What? How? That’s what amazes me about the “why did they wait 50 years” posts. Okay cuz gay people were accepted then
              I really never paid attention to his sexual orientation. It just didn't occur to me.
              "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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              • #67
                Originally posted by vxf111 View Post

                That was vitriolic and awful, glad it’s gone
                I wanted to PM you do to a wired notification. Anyway yes it was. It was appalling.

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                • #68
                  GM (or his media persons) put out a statement saying XYZ from 50 years ago... SafeSport puts him on the permanently ineligible list but no statement. Everyone jumps to believe the media statement that this is all about something that may have happened 50 years ago - why do you believe there are no other allegations from more recently? I seem to remember that when RG was put on the list everyone came running to his defense with statements that it was a 17 year old girl when he was 21 and he shouldn't have been banned - and then the survivors spoke out and the facts of the case were very different. 13 and 14 year old girls were abused - that's a huge difference from a 17 year old.

                  Media folks are tasked with containing inflammatory topics - they aren't always the most reliable about all the facts. In this case, I don't know exactly who brought up what allegations and how recent they are - because I'm not on the SafeSport committee that rules on these issues. From previous cases, the committee seems to be doing something right and getting the right people on the list. Right now I'm going to sit back and wait for the facts to come out rather than condemning either SS or GM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                    I would suggest searching Safe Sport and George Morris here before commenting further.
                    Look, I made a comment about the situation and I tried to look at it from both sides. I feel as though you attacked my opinions and accused me of something i did not do. But thank you for showing me the door. Good night.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post

                      Look, I made a comment about the situation and I tried to look at it from both sides. I feel as though you attacked my opinions and accused me of something i did not do. But thank you for showing me the door. Good night.
                      Happy to help

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                      • #71
                        This is why we need an organization like SafeSport. A panel of people involved in the H/J industry would never have suspended someone like GM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                          Wow!!! Yup. You’re part of the problem. Victim isn’t exactly innocent
                          WTF does that mean?!?
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Laurierace View Post

                            WTF does that mean?!?
                            The poster said they might not be innocent because they got something out of it. To say nothing about a power dynamic. My last sentence was meant to be sarcastic.

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                            • #74
                              We removed an inappropriate post and responses to it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                The poster said they might not be innocent because they got something out of it. To say nothing about a power dynamic. My last sentence was meant to be sarcastic.
                                Actually - the poster did NOT say just that. While there is a small paragraph regarding the POSSIBILITY that could have occurred - there is a lot more written about the victim and hoping they can find closure. The response even touches on why they may have waited 50 years to come forward. My response was taken out of context and I have been introduced to my very own cyber bully.

                                The post in question is this:

                                "I don't know he's gay. His sexual orientation has nothing to do with his equestrian accomplishments. I have followed him throughout the years and am saddened to see these allegations. I don't want to assume he is guilty nor do I want to assume the victim is lying. I only hope that there is evidence that can be provided to prove these facts and if it is true, then I hope the victim can find closure.

                                I am always concerned about these types of situations when they involve public figures. The victim may truly be an innocent who was afraid, embarrassed, shocked, or confused. They may have decided with the way things are now that by coming forward - they can loan others the strength to do so as well.

                                However, sometimes in situations like this, the victim isn't exactly innocent because being quiet or participating in certain acts may have helped them advance in their career path.

                                Only the victim, the accused, and the man upstairs knows the truth in the situation.

                                Eitherway, it saddens me."

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by farmpony84 View Post



                                  However, sometimes in situations like this, the victim isn't exactly innocent because being quiet or participating in certain acts may have helped them advance in their career path.

                                  Only the victim, the accused, and the man upstairs knows the truth in the situation.

                                  Eitherway, it saddens me."
                                  Position of power with a minor is what you are not getting. MINOR. One who is not legally able to consent to sex. Wow! Get educated. His sexual orientation has zero to do with him as an equestrian but if the minors are men..... guess what you making excuses because minors got something out of it are hard enough for heterosexual situations. Never mind homosexual situations. People didn’t come out in the 60’s and 70’s. Ask me how I know.

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by Tackpud View Post
                                    GM (or his media persons) put out a statement saying XYZ from 50 years ago... SafeSport puts him on the permanently ineligible list but no statement. Everyone jumps to believe the media statement that this is all about something that may have happened 50 years ago - why do you believe there are no other allegations from more recently? I seem to remember that when RG was put on the list everyone came running to his defense with statements that it was a 17 year old girl when he was 21 and he shouldn't have been banned - and then the survivors spoke out and the facts of the case were very different. 13 and 14 year old girls were abused - that's a huge difference from a 17 year old.

                                    Media folks are tasked with containing inflammatory topics - they aren't always the most reliable about all the facts. In this case, I don't know exactly who brought up what allegations and how recent they are - because I'm not on the SafeSport committee that rules on these issues. From previous cases, the committee seems to be doing something right and getting the right people on the list. Right now I'm going to sit back and wait for the facts to come out rather than condemning either SS or GM.
                                    So the statement says between 1968 & 1972, which I believe was done on purpose to make people think that this was a relationship that might have gone sour and make them instantly cast doubt. There most certainly is more than just this one time period and victim or if it is just one person, they have some in really damning evidence against him. People can’t get it through their heads that Safesport does not just issue lifetime bans based on someone saying that someone raped them. They do thorough investigations where evidence is presented and interviews are done with witnesses.

                                    GM has a lot of money and most likely has some Pretty wealthy people that will help him finance a legal fight against this. I would be lying if I said I wasn’t curious to see how this will turn out in the actual legal system. It most certainly is going to head that way with GM.
                                    Talking to some people is like folding a fitted sheet.

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                                    • #78
                                      Sounds like McCarthyism all over again. "Safe" "Sport" witch hunts.
                                      Rack on!

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post
                                        Sounds like McCarthyism all over again. "Safe" "Sport" witch hunts.
                                        Go away

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post
                                          Sounds like McCarthyism all over again. "Safe" "Sport" witch hunts.
                                          except there really are sexual predators.

                                          I feel like some commenters here and elsewhere have not actually spent any time in the horse world.
                                          Let me apologize in advance.

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