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  • Originally posted by McGurk View Post
    Excerpt re: the reserpine testing.
    literal piece of human waste.
    Let me apologize in advance.

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    • Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

      I'd hazard a guess he is regretting publishing it. Can't argue with your own words...
      Sounds like some things will haunt him. Anyone have those old issues of Practical Horseman where he'd critique rider photos?

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      • I see there are still people popping into this thread to wail and gnash their teeth about due process and constitutional rights and so on. I won't quote any of them in hopes that they've decided to leave but I am going to paste my response to similar sentiments an acquaintance posted on Facebook:

        Doctors can be prohibited from practicing medicine for misconduct without a criminal trial (just investigation from their state medical board). Lawyers can be disbarred. Social workers can have their license revoked. Every professional licensing entity I can think of to look up has some kind of internal investigation process that can result in a licensee being banned from the association without criminal conviction in a court of law. It's a near-universal practice in the professional world and pretty clearly NOT a violation of anyone's constitutional right to a fair trial. Why should voluntary participation in an organized sport be different? We obviously don't know the facts in this case (though the NY Times reporter who wrote the Jimmy Williams story has been investigating GHM for months before the sanctions dropped and is poised to publish an in-depth article), and the appeal may well overturn the sanction. But to say that the sanctioning process is a violation of constitutional rights is obtuse at best.

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        • (Hmmm, looks like I'll have to keep slogging through that mess of a book now.)

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          • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
            Bernue Traurig just posted he stands with GM and has relinquished his USEF and USHJA membership on FB.

            Ok, so then he posted he doesn't show so not sure how it effects him.

            I feel like he might have something to hide based on his similar response after RG.
            Comments like this just fuel the fire of 'guilty until proven innocent.'

            You don't have to support Bernie, but why don't you let SS do what it's there to do?

            He teaches a lot of USEF members, so he still has a lot to lose if someone makes allegations against him.
            Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
            Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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            • Originally posted by McGurk View Post
              Excerpt re: the reserpine testing.
              I am flabbergasted at the arrogance - he is on the Drugs and Medication Committee and gives an "iconic, wonderful" hunter reserpine??? And then, aw shucks, people eventually forget when you CHEAT and get caught.

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              • Originally posted by Saskatoonian View Post
                (Hmmm, looks like I'll have to keep slogging through that mess of a book now.)
                Please share anything insightful. I am still refusing to pay $13.99 for the Kindle version. But if you post some insights and suggest a charity, I'll donate $13.99 to that charity.

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                • Originally posted by Silk View Post

                  Yes...and from what I remember, a now-California based trainer took the fall for it (willingly)
                  Thats what I was remembering too. She fell on the sword for him.

                  And HHVs late (ex?) hubby had a bully streak too from what I have been told, one gal related to me he kicked her when she was a Junior some 30 years back when didn’t react quick enough but got told to shut up and suck it up when she told others. Not really very surprising.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                  • Palm Beach,

                    Oh, no, he was just experimenting by giving to a few horses, assuming it would be out of their systems by the show. (Reserpine was well known for its long lasting effect - up to 30 days.)

                    Just bad luck he was caught, that's all.

                    That is in sarcasm, font, by the way.

                    My reaction to the book as a whole was "Wow, he really is that big a jerk!"
                    The plural of anecdote is not data.

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                    • Originally posted by McGurk View Post
                      Excerpt re: the reserpine testing.
                      There's something about that excerpt that just makes me want to vomit, and sort of sums up the horse show world at the same time.


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                      • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                        A few observations:

                        No authority in this land can legislate or mandate "lack of compassion" or "empathy," a word never heard before 2 years ago. Ditto teaching style. The marketplace can take care of this very nicely; simply take your business elsewhere, and tell people why. To date, GHM has had zero problems filling any of his clinics. Not your style? Find someone to train with who embodies the traits you seek.

                        The top levels of any sport are very, very tough--tough to enter, tough to attain, and in this sport, very dangerous and with hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on the outcome at the Grand Prix level. A bad mistake can kill you or that very expensive animal you're sitting on, and that's why trainers don't always have time to sugar-coat it. Frankly, if all it takes is words/attitudes/gruff style to destroy you mentally, you're nowhere close to the caliber that's ever going to jump the big stix. Go ask your brothers how much "empathy" coaches are dishing out in topflight lacrosse or ice hockey or football!

                        Torch-and-pitchfork brandishers here are now accusing GHM, publicly and in writing, of animal cruelty. That's a serious criminal charge, and if not true would certainly be actionable as slander/libel. I'd be a little careful of that.
                        Are...are you trying to tell us that "empathy" is a word that was recently...made up? Or did you just not have that particular word in your vocabulary or something?

                        There is nothing wrong with being gruff, with not sugarcoating things, with being blunt. Those traits and empathy are not mutually exclusive. Those things don't cross a line into being cruel, or being a sexual predator.

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                        • Originally posted by poltroon View Post

                          I'm going to take a moment here, not to disagree particularly with what you wrote, but to open a bit of a redirect. I don't know if JS is a claimant or not nor if that's what GM wants us to think... or even why anyone would want us to think it, because if it's true it's pretty awful.

                          I also don't know JS and don't care to vouch for his character in any way.

                          But. Possession of child pornography, and his comments about his love/hate relationship with the sport that have been in articles about him for decades... those are completely consistent with someone abused by a coach or trusted adult. Same with drug use and other self-destructive behavior. It's exactly why we consider them to be such serious crimes. The trauma sometimes eats the survivors from the inside out. That these behaviors also discredit the victim is exactly part of the problem we've had with convicting perpetrators... the "he's no angel" reaction.

                          Has GM ever said anything publicly about the situation with JS? After all, JS supervised minor students at GM's operation and direction.



                          What an interesting and excellent question.
                          But then one might also have to stand with RG as the question has been raised as to whether he was groomed by JW. Quite the conundrum....

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                          • More members of the FB group
                            Holly Hugo-Vidal
                            Ron Danta
                            Robert Ross
                            Vanessa Brown
                            Dianne DeFrancieux-Grod (sp?)

                            I have not really read the posts, I'm just listing names as they appear,regardless of their reasons for being there
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                            • Originally posted by Irish Ei's View Post
                              More members of the FB group
                              Holly Hugo-Vidal
                              Ron Danta
                              Robert Ross
                              Vanessa Brown
                              Dianne DeFrancieux-Grod (sp?)

                              I have not really read the posts, I'm just listing names as they appear,regardless of their reasons for being there
                              someone posted a statement from Katie Prudent as well.

                              for what it’s worth, I didn’t find Bernie’s comments so bad, even if I dont agree with them. They were mostly about SS processes. At least he didn’t victim blame or say there’s no way GHM is guilty.

                              the most horrific comment came from someone suggesting everyone file false sexual assault claims to screw over the system... eeeek
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                              • Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                                But then one might also have to stand with RG as the question has been raised as to whether he was groomed by JW. Quite the conundrum....
                                Explanation of behavior is not an excuse. One can recognize the sad fact that past trauma affects how a person acts in the present without giving them a free pass for those actions.

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                                • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                                  I am flabbergasted at the arrogance - he is on the Drugs and Medication Committee and gives an "iconic, wonderful" hunter reserpine??? And then, aw shucks, people eventually forget when you CHEAT and get caught.
                                  The arrogance is breathtaking

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                                  • COTH posted Prudent's comment.
                                    https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...eU7-6vWrMYZryQ

                                    I'm having a hell of a time with the level of ignorance on display. Time to go ride and be grateful for my barn.

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                                    • Originally posted by Irish Ei's View Post
                                      More members of the FB group
                                      Holly Hugo-Vidal
                                      Ron Danta
                                      Robert Ross
                                      Vanessa Brown
                                      Dianne DeFrancieux-Grod (sp?)

                                      I have not really read the posts, I'm just listing names as they appear,regardless of their reasons for being there
                                      Junior Johnson
                                      Scott Canard
                                      Teddi Ismond
                                      Katie Prudent, under an alias username
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                                      Go, Baby, Go......
                                      Aefvue Farms Footing Inspector

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                                      • Well he didn't have sex with Robert, a well established criteria for establishing sexual predation...
                                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                                        • ^ I agree it is breathtaking... Like his big name will protect him!
                                          Libby

                                          There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". - Dave Barry

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