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  • Look again at Jonathan Soresi's sanction. It shows him as ineligible, which he is, because he's a sex offender. Refer to SafeSport code, page 8: "Sex Offender Registry A Participant who is currently on any state, federal, territorial, or tribal sex offender registry is ineligible to participate."

    Automatic ineligibility, no investigation required.
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    • George likes riding horses, not horses. He says himself he knows little about horse care.

      I can't remember, did the sick client horse die at the show when George refused to call a vet cause he was going to dinner? I cannot remember if the horse died. There was a lawsuit, but I cannot remember if the horse died.
      Let me apologize in advance.

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      • Originally posted by Salty View Post

        She's a well-respected pro & has been around for awhile. I thought it was an excellent post, & told her so.

        Her former in-laws were directly threatened with harm by GHM.
        I figured the oblique reference was to her connections from her first marriage.

        I thought her post was fair and honest and human, and above all, she showed compassion and empathy and balance.

        There is a serious issue with respect to a lack of compassion and empathy at the root of almost all abusive behavior in society. Kristin has struck a really important balance TWICE now, publicly, in the wake of RGs suicide, and now the GM Safe Sport announcement.

        Above all... she comes across as a professional who truly cares about the sport, and what the next generation will inherit. She’s thinking bigger than just herself, and her contemporaries. I’m biased and tend to identify with other mothers, who also approach most of life with the perspective of a mother. She speaks of being able to compartmentalize well... I admittedly don’t. I think of everything with my “Mom” brain these days. Regardless, I find her voice and perspective really important in the current moment. And tragically... altogether unique. I wish there were more high profile people echoing her sentiments publicly.

        I hope she does pen an Op Ed. And if she comes to my area to clinic anytime soon... I’ll support her, encourage my friends to support her, and enjoy meeting her in person.
        Last edited by Virginia Horse Mom; Aug. 7, 2019, 05:33 PM. Reason: more typos. Too many typos in all my posts

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        • ^ I'd like that list as well. Some who I've seen supporting GHM on Facebook, I have known for eons.
          Libby

          There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". - Dave Barry

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          • Robert Dover - who has a lot going on inclduing his vegan tack line
            Bernie Traurig - Equestrian Coach.com
            Eric Lamaze (this pains me to type because I love Eric and how much he has overcome)
            Chris Hector of Horse Magazine https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/wh.../hector-chris/

            A small list to start of those to unfollow.
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            • Originally posted by Salty View Post

              I will not join the group, but I would love to have someone pm me a list of his most heinous supporters, so that I can avoid them.
              Awesome, and please then offer to share intel with others who may be similarly inclined to know which persons to shun.
              Jeanie
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              • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                This whole discussion brings to mind something that has stayed with me for a long time. I was watching a yet another clinic in which GM was being even more than usually cutting and sarcastic. The woman sitting next to me was someone new to the sport who was there to watch her daughter ride and she turned to me in bewilderment and asked "why is he being so mean to a group of young people who are just trying to do what he wants?"

                I didn't have an answer for her.
                I have to ask, why do you continue to attend his clinics? If you've seen him publicly fondle a boy and be horrid to countless others--enough to never ride in his clinic yourself--why did you show up? Why are you still supporting him with your attendance only to talk badly about him online?

                This is the problem. This is how someone who has had so many negatives said about him, has such a reputation for bullying and belittlement, has been able to carry on. It's not just the wealthy owners and parents who have helped create his position, it's everyone who did nothing but whisper and talk over the last 50+ years.

                Kudos to LaurieB's dad. He's the only one mentioned here who seems to have actually tried to stop the bullying and verbal abuse. Everyone else has gossiped. I wasn't part of the inner circle who witnessed first-hand sexual abuse, but I still take ownership because I did hear the stories and still rode.

                Until we all step up when we see or hear a problem, any problem, the sport's culture will remain a "carry-on until you're caught environment."
                Last edited by Tiramit; Aug. 7, 2019, 06:07 PM.
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                • ^^This. You can vote with your wallet. I never paid for anything by or from or about George Morris once I was aware of how nasty and abusive he could be. Still haven't bought the Relentless autobiography although I'm curious about the "carousing" that was noted in the description on Amazon's page.
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                  • Originally posted by Salty View Post

                    She's a well-respected pro & has been around for awhile. I thought it was an excellent post, & told her so.

                    Her former in-laws were directly threatened with harm by GHM.
                    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                    • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                      Robert Dover - who has a lot going on inclduing his vegan tack line
                      Bernie Traurig - Equestrian Coach.com
                      Eric Lamaze (this pains me to type because I love Eric and how much he has overcome)
                      Chris Hector of Horse Magazine https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/wh.../hector-chris/

                      A small list to start of those to unfollow.
                      Wow - a small but disappointing list.

                      Chris, you too? Really?
                      AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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                      • Originally posted by beowulf View Post

                        Wow - a small but disappointing list.

                        Chris, you too? Really?
                        I only peeked at The Horse on facebook, but he even had a comment in there that people who believed GM was guilty (I assume this means anyone explaining or defending the SS process as well) would be summarily deleted from the comments.
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                        • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post

                          I figured the oblique reference was to her connections from her first marriage.

                          I thought her post was fair and honest and human, and above all, she showed compassion and empathy and balance.

                          There is a serious issue with respect to a lack of compassion and empathy at the root of almost abusive behavior in society. Kristin has struck a really important balance TWICE now, publicly, in the wake of RGs suicide, and now the GM Safe Sport announcement.

                          Above all... she comes across as a professional who truly cares about the sport, and what the next generation will inherit. She’s thinking bigger than just herself, and her contemporaries. I’m biased and tend to identify with other mothers, who also approach most of life with the perspective of a mother. She speaks of being able to compartmentalizations well... I admittedly don’t. I think of everything with my “Mom” brain these days. Regardless, I find her voice and perspective really important in the current moment. And tragically... altogether unique. I wish there were more high profile people echoing her sentiments publicly.

                          I hope she does pen an Op Ed. And if she comes to my area to clinic anytime soon... I’ll support her, encourage my friends to support her, and enjoy meeting her in person.
                          A few observations:

                          No authority in this land can legislate or mandate "lack of compassion" or "empathy," a word never heard before 2 years ago. Ditto teaching style. The marketplace can take care of this very nicely; simply take your business elsewhere, and tell people why. To date, GHM has had zero problems filling any of his clinics. Not your style? Find someone to train with who embodies the traits you seek.

                          The top levels of any sport are very, very tough--tough to enter, tough to attain, and in this sport, very dangerous and with hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on the outcome at the Grand Prix level. A bad mistake can kill you or that very expensive animal you're sitting on, and that's why trainers don't always have time to sugar-coat it. Frankly, if all it takes is words/attitudes/gruff style to destroy you mentally, you're nowhere close to the caliber that's ever going to jump the big stix. Go ask your brothers how much "empathy" coaches are dishing out in topflight lacrosse or ice hockey or football!

                          Torch-and-pitchfork brandishers here are now accusing GHM, publicly and in writing, of animal cruelty. That's a serious criminal charge, and if not true would certainly be actionable as slander/libel. I'd be a little careful of that.

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                          • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post

                            A few observations:

                            No authority in this land can legislate or mandate "lack of compassion" or "empathy," a word never heard before 2 years ago. Ditto teaching style. The marketplace can take care of this very nicely; simply take your business elsewhere, and tell people why. To date, GHM has had zero problems filling any of his clinics. Not your style? Find someone to train with who embodies the traits you seek.

                            The top levels of any sport are very, very tough--tough to enter, tough to attain, and in this sport, very dangerous and with hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on the outcome at the Grand Prix level. A bad mistake can kill you or that very expensive animal you're sitting on, and that's why trainers don't always have time to sugar-coat it. Frankly, if all it takes is words/attitudes/gruff style to destroy you mentally, you're nowhere close to the caliber that's ever going to jump the big stix. Go ask your brothers how much "empathy" coaches are dishing out in topflight lacrosse or ice hockey or football!

                            Torch-and-pitchfork brandishers here are now accusing GHM, publicly and in writing, of animal cruelty. That's a serious criminal charge, and if not true would certainly be actionable as slander/libel. I'd be a little careful of that.
                            Nonsense. Perhaps that's just from my perspective having worked for people who fired George Morris and have more medals.
                            Let me apologize in advance.

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                            • I'm a nobody. Couldn't ride as a kid, and didn't get into the sport until I was in my 30s. And that was only for fun. Even so, I gobbled up mags and books, and enjoyed reading GM. Knew all about his credentials. But then the internet came along and you could see his clinics online. And my God - the man was clearly an abuser. I don't mean sexual predator. I had no way of knowing that. But he abused his students, even - and maybe most particularly - his teen students. In front of crowds. And any person who enjoys abusing children in front of crowds has some huge psychological problems. This was so apparent to me that I couldn't fathom why the crowds sometimes tittered at his abuses and didn't instead rush out there and lynch him. I watched a couple of clinics and then could stomach no more. What a piece of filth.

                              IMO, the whole equine community should share the blame for lionizing him and enabling him. Shame on us.

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                              • Crashing Boar,

                                In Unrelenting, he admits to poling a horse with a hot wired pole in an out of the way corner a show grounds and getting caught.

                                Pretty sure that meets the definition of animal cruelty.

                                Read the book. It's quite the education, and not in a good way.

                                ETA: He was also caught in the great testing for Resperine scandal in 1978, along with a lot of other BNTs and suspended. That's in the book as well, along with a pretty weasel-y explanation,.

                                The plural of anecdote is not data.

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                                • Originally posted by Crashing Boar View Post
                                  The top levels of any sport are very, very tough--tough to enter, tough to attain, and in this sport, very dangerous and with hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on the outcome at the Grand Prix level. A bad mistake can kill you or that very expensive animal you're sitting on, and that's why trainers don't always have time to sugar-coat it. Frankly, if all it takes is words/attitudes/gruff style to destroy you mentally, you're nowhere close to the caliber that's ever going to jump the big stix. Go ask your brothers how much "empathy" coaches are dishing out in topflight lacrosse or ice hockey or football!
                                  Um.. I'd say that's really wrong and short-sighted, and a cop-out for people who want to say "oh, you just aren't at this level, you wouldn't understand."

                                  I have a close family member who is one of the best female ice hockey players in the country - she was drafted, skated with, and has played at the Olympic level. No, abuse and nastiness is not inherent in the top of the sport; it's inherent in awful cultures that may or may not be prevalent in the sport. The two are not distinctly correlated.

                                  P.S there was plenty of empathy for her, when she broke her foot and lost a season. I have a lot of respect for the top level professionals in her circle.

                                  I also, as someone who has first hand experience as a working student for BNTs who are just as competitive and lauded as GM in their chosen discipline, have not seen that be the case in my circle.

                                  Cruelty is not a cornerstone to upper level success.
                                  AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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                                  • Originally posted by McGurk View Post
                                    Crashing Boar,

                                    In Unrelenting, he admits to poling a horse with a hot wired pole in an out of the way corner a show grounds and getting caught.

                                    Pretty sure that meets the definition of animal cruelty.

                                    Read the book. It's quite the education, and not in a good way.

                                    ETA: Someone else here will also have to verify, but either he or Hunterdon were caught in the great testing for Resperine scandal back in the day as well. I don't think that made it into the book.
                                    I'd hazard a guess he is regretting publishing it. Can't argue with your own words...

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                                    • Originally posted by beowulf View Post

                                      Wow - a small but disappointing list.

                                      Chris, you too? Really?
                                      Add Holly Hugo-Vidal too.

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                                      • Originally posted by McGurk View Post
                                        Crashing Boar,

                                        In Unrelenting, he admits to poling a horse with a hot wired pole in an out of the way corner a show grounds and getting caught.

                                        Pretty sure that meets the definition of animal cruelty.

                                        Read the book. It's quite the education, and not in a good way.

                                        ETA: Someone else here will also have to verify, but either he or Hunterdon were caught in the great testing for Resperine scandal back in the day as well. I don't think that made it into the book.
                                        Yes...and from what I remember, a now-California based trainer took the fall for it (willingly)
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                                        • Excerpt re: the reserpine testing.
                                          The plural of anecdote is not data.

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