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    Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
    I don’t even know which of the Safe Sport threads is most suitable to post this comment to... but post it I must.

    Duncan is continuing on with public comments and his “unique” brand of dime store philosophy on social media. He has taken info from a Michael Henry’s Safe Sport presentation at the USHJA meeting... and apparently decided to chastise others for being “prudes.” Because apparently digital penetration of minors and anal intercourse with minors is really ??? not something Safe Sport should ban folks who coach minors for?!?!? And apparently he knows better than Safe Sport about the people that have been investigated. He seems confident that they shouldn’t have been banned and were no longer threats. But he’s confident about a whole heckuva a lot of nonsense.

    So here are his actual public comments... enough folks are following this thread, that they deserve to read and judge for themselves. He specifically is defending Rob Gage and GHM... he was friends with Gage.

    ”**** **** about now, yes, I can speak authoritatively on. One is dead.

    The other is over 80, and wrote extensively of his own preferences for all the world to know.

    And it’s an interesting thing- we are still a remarkably prudish and Puritan society. “Digital penetration” and “sodomy” are criminal language. There are many parts of the country where consenting adults are not allowed to engage in certain sex acts. One refers to “third base” in our rites of passage American lingo.

    I agree that underage situations have a huge effect on what “consent” is or isn’t.

    But each community and each family and each individual have a part, as do the time clocks of each body.

    My friend’s daughter had a “visit from the friend”, at 10 years old, and he is incredibly aware and strategic on the subject.

    My brother lost his virginity at 14. He walked several miles across town for the opportunity after our parents had gone to sleep, and then walked back before dawn.

    Another friend knew he was gay “when the doctor slapped my butt as a baby- I said thank you sir may I have another!” And he lost his virginity at 11. To a man. Who was horrified at himself.

    Victim? Abuser?

    Sex always has an aftermath, and we don’t talk about it publicly.

    We would rather pull goats out and slit their throats, and be vengefully satisfied.

    I mean to bring up the subject of restorative justice, again, and again, and again.

    “Offended”? Not a sufficient investigation of any such event...”
    So, these are the words of Duncan McIntosh, member of the USHJA and USEF. Trainer of riders who pay, and apparently who's parents pay him, as their child's instructor.

    If you are a parent, or just an adult who enjoys riding and having a coach or someone to train your horse, you should be reading Duncan McIntosh's words before you consider touching him with a ten foot pole, let alone paying him to teach you or allowing him to coach a minor.

    Read the words that Duncan McIntosh has written for public viewing. No one is picking on him. He is flying his sexual deviant flag for the world to see. His perverse excuse for child abuse is common among abusers, but is not at all acceptable to healthy minds.

    I think that the fact Duncan Mc Intosh feels that it is acceptable to put his views about the sexualization of children out for the world to see is a frightening example of how acceptable he thinks his beliefs are.

    Guess what, Mr. Duncan McIntosh, you and the circles you move in, may think your views are OK. I and many, many others don't, and I hope, with the advent of Safe Sport, that people will look up your name, and read your words and have absolutely nothing to do with you.

    You may have your little group of enablers, but that will not last. It's over. We're not going to take it anymore.

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      skydy and Virginia Horse Mom outstanding posts that many should read and read again.

      Also remember, the post was taken down but not before many saw it by Kristen with many last names, that there was an attempt to intimidate her and members of her family by GHM and his camp during the investigation.

      It is sad to see so many people refusing to see people for what they are and clinging to misinformation.

      Also what gets left out of the conversation about RG, is the ban wasn’t just sexual misconduct involving a minor, it also said criminal disposition which means it was going through legal channels.

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        TheMoo - thanks, and yes indeed... I well remember Kristin’s post. There also was indeed talk about much more recent victims of RG that did fall within the statute of limitations, etc.

        Duncan’s assertions that he KNEW RG was no longer a threat to anyone? That’s at odds with reality.

        I was willing initially to chalk it all up to shock and grief over the loss of a friend. But these posts concerning opinion on this sort of activity with kids being acceptable sometimes, and how people shouldn’t be exiled, how treating folks who make “mistakes” like this is archaic?

        It’s now quite clear it’s more than just grieving a friend. And honestly... the increased boldness and noise and public comments from DM are simultaneously happening with a push from Athletes for Equity. Vanessa B is part of the very same conversation. She’s a core part of the group. She comments in the same string speaking out AGAINST victims coming forward years after the fact.

        It’s unreal. They are discouraging others who might have been ... or are yet to be... interviewed by s Safe Sport investigator from speaking AT ALL about anything they have knowledge of.

        And one last thing... when Safe Sport investigators start calling around and asking to speak with people because they are looking into allegations against RG or GM or anyone else... it’s very very very likely that they contacted someone who WAS victimized as a child, and has never spoken about it before.

        So consider that. The message to those people coming from the likes of DM, VB and others such as Bonnie Navin who had a long post about how Olympic hopefuls need to “watch your back” and other people need to “shut up if you don’t have facts”....

        Well... if someone is already struggling for years on end with something they feel ashamed of, have buried, and are struggling to come to terms with... this amounts to a TON of psychological and emotional pressure. Absolutely horrible.

        The sporting community should be united on one simple issue... if you are a USEF member and Safe Sport investigators contact you about an ongoing investigation... speak honestly and be a good member of your community. If someone eventually gets banned as part of that investigation... if you have truthful testimony... it’s not your fault. And you shouldn’t be subjected to bullying and retaliation as a result.

        People just stun me in terms of how heartless and selfish they can be.

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          Virginia Horse Mom you once again nail it. The energy spent doing mental gymnastics in order to excuse DM, DC and their ilk is unreal.

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            Originally posted by skydy View Post

            So, these are the words of Duncan McIntosh, member of the USHJA and USEF. Trainer of riders who pay, and apparently who's parents pay him, as their child's instructor.

            If you are a parent, or just an adult who enjoys riding and having a coach or someone to train your horse, you should be reading Duncan McIntosh's words before you consider touching him with a ten foot pole, let alone paying him to teach you or allowing him to coach a minor.

            Read the words that Duncan McIntosh has written for public viewing. No one is picking on him. He is flying his sexual deviant flag for the world to see. His perverse excuse for child abuse is common among abusers, but is not at all acceptable to healthy minds.

            I think that the fact Duncan Mc Intosh feels that it is acceptable to put his views about the sexualization of children out for the world to see is a frightening example of how acceptable he thinks his beliefs are.

            Guess what, Mr. Duncan McIntosh, you and the circles you move in, may think your views are OK. I and many, many others don't, and I hope, with the advent of Safe Sport, that people will look up your name, and read your words and have absolutely nothing to do with you.

            You may have your little group of enablers, but that will not last. It's over. We're not going to take it anymore.

            Bold mine.
            ‘Thank you, thank you, thank you, skydy for saying what needed to be said. He has gone too far. Enough is enough.
            While we do have freedom of speech in this country, there is absolutely no prohibition against using their words against them. Time to fight back?

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              Originally posted by skydy View Post

              So, these are the words of Duncan McIntosh, member of the USHJA and USEF. Trainer of riders who pay, and apparently who's parents pay him, as their child's instructor.

              If you are a parent, or just an adult who enjoys riding and having a coach or someone to train your horse, you should be reading Duncan McIntosh's words before you consider touching him with a ten foot pole, let alone paying him to teach you or allowing him to coach a minor.

              Read the words that Duncan McIntosh has written for public viewing. No one is picking on him. He is flying his sexual deviant flag for the world to see. His perverse excuse for child abuse is common among abusers, but is not at all acceptable to healthy minds.

              I think that the fact Duncan Mc Intosh feels that it is acceptable to put his views about the sexualization of children out for the world to see is a frightening example of how acceptable he thinks his beliefs are.

              Guess what, Mr. Duncan McIntosh, you and the circles you move in, may think your views are OK. I and many, many others don't, and I hope, with the advent of Safe Sport, that people will look up your name, and read your words and have absolutely nothing to do with you.

              You may have your little group of enablers, but that will not last. It's over. We're not going to take it anymore.

              I think everyone should spell his name out instead of using initials. While people here know who you mean, it won’t show up in a search. Using full names will help spread the word on his views, which should be totally repugnant to the majority of the population. I am appalled at his words.

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                Originally posted by CindyB59 View Post


                I think everyone should spell his name out instead of using initials. While people here know who you mean, it won’t show up in a search. Using full names will help spread the word on his views, which should be totally repugnant to the majority of the population. I am appalled at his words.
                Good point. My concern has been moderators and using full names...

                BTW, @cindy859, I love your profile photo. I’m a lifelong GSD owner/fan.😍
                Last edited by oneequestrienne; Dec. 16, 2019, 11:45 AM. Reason: Added second paragraph

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                  Originally posted by CindyB59 View Post


                  I think everyone should spell his name out instead of using initials. While people here know who you mean, it won’t show up in a search. Using full names will help spread the word on his views, which should be totally repugnant to the majority of the population. I am appalled at his words.
                  I think this is also important in general for clarity. GM is pretty widely understood as George Morris, especially on a thread where his name is in the title, but any other initials might end up belonging to someone else who might play a role in events. As is best practice in any written communication, I think it would be wise define your initials in the beginning of every post if you want to use them.
                  If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                    I’ve also been careful about using full names over and over because of the moderators, and because I don’t mean to come across as engaging in online bullying.

                    I want to respect the rules of these forums, and make sure I do not play a part in getting important threads closed.

                    So I have tried to walk a fine line and after someone has been named early on... revert to using initials. If anyone chooses differently though... I get it. I really do. And if anyone is unsure about who is being discussed... just ask openly. No worries.

                    I also want to state for the record so that everyone is CRYSTAL CLEAR... I am only copying and pasting and sharing comments these folks have they, themselves made on Social media that are 100% public. I am not sharing comments made in private groups, or that are only visible to friends. Nor am I sharing comments made in the course of private conversations. Nor am I sharing “heresay.” Nope... just the things they themselves are OPENLY SAYING. Using their own first and last names in public posts.

                    I am also trying to be clear that when my posts are a matter of me sharing my own OPINION on these comments... it’s my OPINION. Based on my personal experiences, and things I have read and studied and have knowledge about. If anyone reading these threads is ever unclear about stuff like that... and if people are being accused of a crime or if posters like myself are simply sharing an opinion... just speak up and ask. I think that’s a healthy way to go about these discussions, and make sure we are all being fair.

                    For the record though, I am of the opinion that Duncan does speak like people who do have an issue with child sexual exploitation. His exact arguments are exactly the sort of thing NAMBLA members do say to justify situations where an 11 year old boy has sexual inter purse with a grown man.

                    A situation such as that is NOT about homosexuality. It is about pedophilia and it is absolutely child abuse. Who the victim is and who the abuser is - that’s not vague or up for debate in our legal system, nor when it comes to the opinions of pediatricians and psychologists.

                    His statement that the grown man in this situation was horrified by his own actions? And the gay friend of Duncan’s who according to the comment was the 11 year old boy in that story and apparently doesn’t characterize this activity as child abuse? IT’S IRRELEVANT. It was abuse. Who even knows if the story is true. Or perhaps... the person saying right now that they were fine with it and ok when they were 11 has buried their trauma and is still coming to terms with it, and in another ten years will feel differently and describe the whole this as sexual exploitation and abuse and say that they were damaged and it took YEARS AND YEARS to work through that damage.

                    That is a VERY COMMON dynamic when it comes to people working through their understanding of their own experiences as a child and having been sexually abused and exploited.

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                      Originally posted by oneequestrienne View Post


                      BTW, @cindy859, I love your profile photo. I’m a lifelong GSD owner/fan.😍
                      Irrelevant, but I second this! Beautiful dog! I learned to walk holding onto a GSD
                      "Radar, the man's ex-cavalry: if he sees four flies having a meeting, he knows they're talking about a horse!" Cptn. BJ Hunnicutt, M*A*S*H Season 4, Episode "Dear Mildred"

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                        Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                        LexInVA I hear what you are saying, but it’s important to tread lightly as these issues are incredibly complicated.

                        I will state with respect to my own personal experience... being molested as a child, and then having my own parents pressure me to essentially recant my accusation against another family member, go to counseling and then confirm to my parents and the counselor that I was “fine” and had no need to talk about anything ever again because it probably was just a minor misunderstanding... and completely bury the experience and carry on with life as a minor living in a household while still in close contact with the person who did actually molest me... it did SERIOUS damage to my self esteem.

                        When a child gets the message that bad things, and deeply inappropriate sexual things that cross fundamental boundaries can happen in relationships with family or trusted adults, and they need to try and handle it and keep quiet in order for people (like their parents, siblings, coaches, and close friends) to continue accepting them and maintain a loving, caring and close connection...

                        It’s a dangerous lesson that gets carried forward into adulthood.

                        I personally went through 2 seriously sexually and physically abusive relationships in my late teens and very early twenties. The two people were nothing like the person who abused me as a child. Nor were they anything like the adults involved in covering up/encouraging me to stay quiet about my childhood abuse. But my damaged self esteem did lead me into these relationships. And my tendency to accept unacceptable behavior, and cover it up/smooth it over and get incredibly anxious about being abandoned by anyone who theoretically “loved” me?

                        All of those issues caused me to stay in those relationships much longer than makes ANY sense to me now, given that I have gone through years and years of therapy, and been in a healthy, non abusive marriage for many years.

                        There is a REAL danger to children to give them the message that when people unilaterally violate their physical and sexual boundaries... people who are much older and in a position of power... people the children have no interest in sexually... because they are CHILDREN... that acting like it’s no big deal and just brushing it on under the rug is a healthy, viable choice the child can and should make.

                        In particular, when a parent conveys to their own child that just accepting this boundary violation and moving forward like it’s no big deal is something the parent hopes the child DOES choose? And some parents do, understandably, just want the issue of their child having spoken up and claimed to have been molested to just disappear... trust me... that is a sad but true fact of how some flawed human beings are wired...

                        It’s a really sad thing. It can lead to unintended consequences for years on end down the road.

                        Children are not capable of giving consent to certain activities. This is something the legal world, and field of pediatrics and psychology agree on. DMs repeated assertion that they actually CAN sometimes consent? Well... that’s wrong and dangerous. Children who are taught this can indeed grow up to be adults who convince themselves that they have “sort of” consented to all sorts of abuse. Or given someone a “mixed message”... thus justifying the abusive and boundary violating way they were treated. An adult who is unclear on their own boundaries, unsure about speaking up, and has low self esteem from experiencing childhood abuse and repeated toxic relationships from childhood forward into their teens and young adult years?

                        Its a really sad thing and they often end up in multiple abusive relationships over the course of a lifetime.

                        Addressing these issues early on, in a correct way and giving children a healthy message about boundaries can dramatically impact the direction of their entire life.^ This is a very very very complicated dynamic. I hear what you are saying,
                        I totally understand the complications that brushing this sort of thing under the rug does to a child. I was repeatedly raped as a 9 year old, by a family friend. My brother's friend's father, in fact. I didn't come forward for a good 6 months, when my mom caught me crying and I told her I was afraid I was pregnant (I had no idea about periods, or how one actually got pregnant, i.e. I was incapable of being pregnant).

                        I told my mother, who told my father, and then it all just went hush hush. I was told not to bring it up again. I was told it didn't happen. I was told I had an overactive imagination. I was never taken to see a doctor. I was basically called a liar by those that were supposed to love and protect me. So, as a then 10 year old, I didn't bring it up again. When my parents sent me back to the abuser's household for babysitting so they could go out on dates, I went. Quietly. It happened again. Eventually, that family moved away. I moved on into physically and emotionally abusive relationships through my teens and through my first really serious relationship (whom I had my first two children with). It took years of counseling to realize that what happened was NOT OKAY. And to realize that the relationships I was involving myself in were unhealthy and quite damaging to me. Luckily, I escaped my last abuser alive (by some miracle), went to years of counseling (we are talking 6 years of counseling here, twice a week most weeks), and I am now MOSTLY past most of my issues. I still have PTSD that rears it's ugly head at times. I have been in a loving, healthy marriage for the past 10 years and my past still affects me on occasion.

                        I am absolutely adamant that God forbid any of my children ever come to me and tell me anyone has violated them, I will believe them. Heads will roll, my children will go to counseling, and those that dared touch or hurt my child will be held accountable to the full extent of the law. I have had discussions with all of my children on what is not acceptable behavior. No one is to touch them or ask to see their privates, show them their privates, etc. Even my 5 year old knows that only the dr (with mommy present), or mommy are EVER allowed to see her privates etc. I want my children to know what is healthy and what is not. What is acceptable and what is not. I don't ever make my children hug relatives, if they don't want a hug and want to decline the hug, they shouldn't have to. I think a lot of times we cross that boundary "Give your aunt a hug. She wants a kiss!" and while innocent, again gives a message to our children that they should be allowed to be told what they should allow or not allow. Their body is their body, and they should not be forced to do anything even if it is to hug a relative at a holiday get together, if they do not wish to.

                        Some of the things that people are trying to say were acceptable back then, were not, and are not, acceptable, even today. Children cannot consent. And someone's sexuality should not even play part in that discussion. Children are children. We MUST protect them. It would break my heart for any of my children to have to go through what I did. We need to look out for one another's children as well. If something looks off, or your intuition says something isn't right, report it. Better to be safe, than sorry.

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                          WildLittleWren - thank you for sharing. Your choice to share your sad deeply personal experience, has comforted me, and helped validate exactly what I was trying to share.

                          There is a lot of healing to be had by trying to give our kids the sort of childhood and unconditional love and support they deserve. All kids deserve it. They all only get one childhood. It’s precious.

                          I also have a visceral reaction whenever extended family or friends push for either of my kids to hug them, or say hello when they are feeling shy, etc. My kids have always been told it is perfectly fine to just keep close to me, or hang back if they are uncomfortable. They could always whisper in my ear or grab my hand when they were younger and this sort of thing happened, and I always happily did the talking for them and freely gave them permission to stay away from the adult who had made them feel nervous. My kids are a bit older now, and do fine when meeting people they don’t know and have zero issues being polite, looking folks in the eye and extending a hand for a handshake when introducing themselves... but they don’t hug older adults they don’t know well ever... nor kiss distant cousins on the cheek or snuggle up to their long lost great uncle so and so just because he asks them to at a family reunion. And they know if they are ever uncomfortable when dealing with an adult or anyone, their dad or I am always willing to step in and support them.

                          I’ve gotten some flack from extended family about this early on from my husband’s relatives. Especially when my kids were toddlers and kindergartners and we attended a few different family events. A few judgemental comments have been directed towards me about not teaching the kids to be more polite, and how “sad” it is that I don’t encourage them to have more close and loving relationships with their cousins, etc etc. It’s always amazing to me how utterly obtuse and clueless some people can be

                          Hopefully if someone else is reading along and has a friend or family member with a tendency to be a little standoffish, and children who are a little shy... they will read our stories and learn from them, and approach others with in a more accepting and respectful manner in the future. You just don’t know what you don’t know about other people, and why they might be a bit standoffish or shy.

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                            Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                            WildLittleWren - thank you for sharing. Your choice to share your sad deeply personal experience, has comforted me, and helped validate exactly what I was trying to share.

                            There is a lot of healing to be had by trying to give our kids the sort of childhood and unconditional love and support they deserve. All kids deserve it. They all only get one childhood. It’s precious.

                            I also have a visceral reaction whenever extended family or friends push for either of my kids to hug them, or say hello when they are feeling shy, etc. My kids have always been told it is perfectly fine to just keep close to me, or hang back if they are uncomfortable. They could always whisper in my ear or grab my hand when they were younger and this sort of thing happened, and I always happily did the talking for them and freely gave them permission to stay away from the adult who had made them feel nervous. My kids are a bit older now, and do fine when meeting people they don’t know and have zero issues being polite, looking folks in the eye and extending a hand for a handshake when introducing themselves... but they don’t hug older adults they don’t know well ever... nor kiss distant cousins on the cheek or snuggle up to their long lost great uncle so and so just because he asks them to at a family reunion. And they know if they are ever uncomfortable when dealing with an adult or anyone, their dad or I am always willing to step in and support them.

                            I’ve gotten some flack from extended family about this early on from my husband’s relatives. Especially when my kids were toddlers and kindergartners and we attended a few different family events. A few judgemental comments have been directed towards me about not teaching the kids to be more polite, and how “sad” it is that I don’t encourage them to have more close and loving relationships with their cousins, etc etc. It’s always amazing to me how utterly obtuse and clueless some people can be

                            Hopefully if someone else is reading along and has a friend or family member with a tendency to be a little standoffish, and children who are a little shy... they will read our stories and learn from them, and approach others with in a more accepting and respectful manner in the future. You just don’t know what you don’t know about other people, and why they might be a bit standoffish or shy.
                            One thing that really irritates me are people who tell others who have been sexually or physically assaulted to just "get over it already". Just because something happened many years ago does not mean it still does not affect you for the rest of your life. In fact, when something like this happens to you at a young age, your brain is actually wired differently. You think differently, you perceive things differently.

                            I will say, I have taken a lot of my experiences as a victim of not just sexual assault but domestic battery and put it to good use. I routinely speak at a local women's domestic violence shelter during their group women's support meetings. This is the same group who helped me through counseling get out of the dangerous, abusive relationship I was in, alive. I try to give back. I try to show these women affected that there is LIFE AFTER. And that life can be great and fantastic and you can achieve great things. I go to all their 5k runs, and I have even made some lifelong friends along the way. I try to give back. But, I am still a victim. I always will be. It's what you do after the fact that determines what, if any, good can come out of these situations. I try to encourage others. It has also helped me heal. I am very passionate about both the subjects of sexual abuse and physical/domestic abuse, and try to help where I can. To me, while yes I am a victim, I am also a survivor. But people who tell you to get over it already, really haven't lived through it, and don't understand the ways it changes a person.

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                              Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                              I’ve also been careful about using full names over and over because of the moderators, and because I don’t mean to come across as engaging in online bullying.

                              I want to respect the rules of these forums, and make sure I do not play a part in getting important threads closed.

                              So I have tried to walk a fine line and after someone has been named early on... revert to using initials. If anyone chooses differently though... I get it. I really do. And if anyone is unsure about who is being discussed... just ask openly. No worries.

                              I also want to state for the record so that everyone is CRYSTAL CLEAR... I am only copying and pasting and sharing comments these folks have they, themselves made on Social media that are 100% public. I am not sharing comments made in private groups, or that are only visible to friends. Nor am I sharing comments made in the course of private conversations. Nor am I sharing “heresay.” Nope... just the things they themselves are OPENLY SAYING. Using their own first and last names in public posts.

                              I am also trying to be clear that when my posts are a matter of me sharing my own OPINION on these comments... it’s my OPINION. Based on my personal experiences, and things I have read and studied and have knowledge about. If anyone reading these threads is ever unclear about stuff like that... and if people are being accused of a crime or if posters like myself are simply sharing an opinion... just speak up and ask. I think that’s a healthy way to go about these discussions, and make sure we are all being fair.

                              For the record though, I am of the opinion that Duncan does speak like people who do have an issue with child sexual exploitation. His exact arguments are exactly the sort of thing NAMBLA members do say to justify situations where an 11 year old boy has sexual inter purse with a grown man.

                              A situation such as that is NOT about homosexuality. It is about pedophilia and it is absolutely child abuse. Who the victim is and who the abuser is - that’s not vague or up for debate in our legal system, nor when it comes to the opinions of pediatricians and psychologists.

                              His statement that the grown man in this situation was horrified by his own actions? And the gay friend of Duncan’s who according to the comment was the 11 year old boy in that story and apparently doesn’t characterize this activity as child abuse? IT’S IRRELEVANT. It was abuse. Who even knows if the story is true. Or perhaps... the person saying right now that they were fine with it and ok when they were 11 has buried their trauma and is still coming to terms with it, and in another ten years will feel differently and describe the whole this as sexual exploitation and abuse and say that they were damaged and it took YEARS AND YEARS to work through that damage.

                              That is a VERY COMMON dynamic when it comes to people working through their understanding of their own experiences as a child and having been sexually abused and exploited.
                              The fact that you were quoting a publicly shared statement is the reason I feel comfortable using Duncan McIntosh's full name. When people put their views out in public, they own them, and I am entitled to publicly disagree.

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                                Originally posted by JBCool View Post

                                Irrelevant, but I second this! Beautiful dog! I learned to walk holding onto a GSD
                                Me too!

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                                  I just want to say that I use initials for convenience but from here on out I will use full names.

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                                    "My friend’s daughter had a “visit from the friend”, at 10 years old, and he is incredibly aware and strategic on the subject."
                                    Everything Duncan McIntosh has said disturbs me greatly. But there is something about this particular line that makes my skin crawl more than the others. I don't even have words for this. Why would ANYONE say this?

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                                      skydy cue up The Beatles (Here Comes The Sun) and The Fifth Dimension (Let The Sunshine In). Thanks!

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                                        Originally posted by Capall View Post

                                        Everything Duncan McIntosh has said disturbs me greatly. But there is something about this particular line that makes my skin crawl more than the others. I don't even have words for this. Why would ANYONE say this?
                                        because he's wore the thin veneer of civility for years and now it's worn off.
                                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                                          skydy - Thanks for being unequivocal, and firm and standing with those of us who do want a safer environment and healthier experience for kids in our sport.

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