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  • Originally posted by ww3467 View Post
    Great news!! Hopefully now all the angry "big name trainers", who are not corrupt, will turn their anger from SafeSport to GM. He has caused enormous shame to our sport! STOP blaming the investigators and especially the victims! Blame George Morris.
    Last edited by rah; Nov. 21, 2019, 07:50 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Alterforme View Post
      Curious if Tryon eq center took his name off the stadium?
      Yes, they took it down the Monday after they released the statement they were leaving it up until after the appeal. August 12 I think, I am guessing a big sponsor called.
      Last edited by rah; Nov. 20, 2019, 03:42 PM.

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      • Originally posted by rah View Post

        Great news!! Hopefully now all the angry "big name trainers", who are not corrupt, will turn their anger from Safe Sport to GM. He has cause enormous shame to our sport! STOP blaming the investigators and especially the victims! Blame George Morris.
        They'll find some other reason to blame someone else. I wish they would put the blame on George where it belongs though.

        He needs to just take himself out of the public eye. Stop his involvement in any activity where there are young people at all. He's been an embarrassment to the sport for decades, and it's time he just went away.

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        • I'm glad this is settled, but I'm sure the ISWG group will still be whining about how mistreated GM is.

          Deniers will still be denying, and will never stop, but that won't change what GM has been investigated for, and banned for.
          You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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          • Originally posted by rah View Post

            Great news!! Hopefully now all the angry "big name trainers", who are not corrupt, will turn their anger from Safe Sport to GM. He has cause enormous shame to our sport! STOP blaming the investigators and especially the victims! Blame George Morris.
            Not going to happen. They're going to rake SS over the coals even worse. How dare anyone say their idol/friend has feet of clay!?! Anything not to put the blame where it belongs.

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            • Well, now we get to sit back and see what happens. I hope they have the guts to follow through on the sanctions for USEF members who attend his clinics. After all, that's the real teeth in the ban for GM. He wasn't going to be doing much more showing at age 81.

              I noticed a couple of things from the NYT article: Ms Nir says "at least two people came forward to report that they had been victimized as minors during Mr. Morris’s coaching career. The accusations, primarily about conduct in the 1960s and ’70s..." which kind of implies that no one more recent came forward. Although maybe they didn't feel the need to in light of the testimony that was presented. And later on she says that there were "days of heated proceedings" which sounds like she had a source within the hearing for that comment.

              Later on, she states that Johnathan Soresi has since been reinstated. (I checked - he's no longer on the list) Huh? I thought he was banned because of a criminal conviction for possession of child porn. What bearing does GM's case have on JS's ban? JS pled guilty. Seems to me he's just as guilty now as he was before, regardless of the reason why.
              Last edited by dannyboy; Nov. 19, 2019, 09:01 PM. Reason: Grammar

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              • It comes down to morals...some people just think taking a lesson from George is ok because this did not directly affect them. Even the USEF can't stop that. His name will be taken down everywhere as it should be but some people just don't care...
                Humans dont mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. Sebastian Junger

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                • USEF website still says "Subject to Appeal." That will have to go.

                  He is still listed as giving a clinic locally after Thanksgiving. That will have to go.

                  I know someone who was abused by him, yes, many years ago. This is a good day.

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                  • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                    Well, now we get to sit back and see what happens. I hope they have the guts to follow through on the sanctions for USEF members who attend his clinics. After all, that's the real teeth in the ban for GM. He wasn't going to be doing much more showing at age 81.

                    ....

                    Later on, she states that Johnathan Soresi has since been reinstated. (I checked - he's no longer on the list) Huh? I thought he was banned because of a criminal conviction for possession of child porn. What bearing does GM's case have on JS's ban? JS pled guilty. Seems to me he's just as guilty now as he was before, regardless of the reason why.
                    GM has not shown himself in many years. Possibly decades by this time. But he was coaching people at USEF shows the whole time, plus he attended the Rio Olympics as a coach for the Brazilian team.

                    The information about the suspension being lifted on JS must have been a later update to the article. I don’t believe it was in the original piece.

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                    • So many people defending him on Facebook, it literally makes me want to vomit.

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                      • Permanently banned. Justice.
                        Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                        • Oh the Facebook comments. I shouldn’t have clicked. I honestly don’t want to be a part of a club anymore that has so many people making such ugly comments. I don’t want to spend all this money to hang out with them. It’s really, really sad.



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                          • The result of the appeal should be more than sufficient for people to stop “standing with George” and maligning the SafeSport system. Sadly it won’t. Based on the comments in the now-unavailable Facebook post by COTH, there are still plenty of people who don’t believe or don’t care that he is a confirmed sexual predator. In fact people are still claiming that SafeSport is a “one-sided witch-hunt” and no amount of actual information about the process will change their minds.

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                            • Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
                              The result of the appeal should be more than sufficient for people to stop “standing with George” and maligning the SafeSport system. Sadly it won’t. Based on the comments in the now-unavailable Facebook post by COTH, there are still plenty of people who don’t believe or don’t care that he is a confirmed sexual predator. In fact people are still claiming that SafeSport is a “one-sided witch-hunt” and no amount of actual information about the process will change their minds.
                              The Facebook post is still there.

                              https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...id=82392280313
                              "Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?" Sun Tzu
                              Semantics

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                              • Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                                None of this makes anyone happy. No one wants to consider that an icon of the sport acted inappropriately let alone worse. I trust that the investigations were thorough and that the appeal was as well.

                                So GM has a choice now. He can continue to offer public clinics in a big FU headache to everyone at USEF and the whole sport... or he can decide that at 81 it's a good time to retire.
                                He could also admit his wrongdoing and publicly apologize to all his victims. I’m guessing he won’t though.

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                                • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                                  Well, now we get to sit back and see what happens. I hope they have the guts to follow through on the sanctions for USEF members who attend his clinics. After all, that's the real teeth in the ban for GM. He wasn't going to be doing much more showing at age 81.
                                  The coaching ban also prevents him from coaching any more international teams for any country.
                                  If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                  • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                                    Later on, she states that Johnathan Soresi has since been reinstated. (I checked - he's no longer on the list) Huh? I thought he was banned because of a criminal conviction for possession of child porn. What bearing does GM's case have on JS's ban? JS pled guilty. Seems to me he's just as guilty now as he was before, regardless of the reason why.
                                    It's quite possible that his conviction has been overturned or modified due to his cooperation in the GM investigation, though I see no recorded evidence of that at this time. We'll have to see what transpires in the next week or so, as SafeSport passes all their information along to the relevant LE agencies for further developments and potential prosecution at local, state, and Federal levels.
                                    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                    • Originally posted by LexInVA View Post

                                      It's quite possible that his conviction has been overturned or modified due to his cooperation in the GM investigation,
                                      I cannot imagine it is SafeSport policy to show one sex offender leniency for playing a role in the conviction of another.

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                                      • I’m going to say something I am pretty certain will not be well received here. I rode with and know George fairly well. I will always hold the things I learned, the discipline, the expectation of excellence as part of the horsewomen I became. Nothing in Relentless came as a surprise. I have a beloved and tattered first edition of his first book...owned and inscribed by him to my mentor and only two years ago reinscribed to me. I’m not going to take that book off my shelf. His influence on my life wasn’t a negative . There is nothing that can mend the horrible wrong he wrought.... I condemn it. I will not condemn every good thing I learned from George. I say this knowing that I’ll catch hell from some.

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                                        • Ok, someone probably already asked and answered this in the previous 176 pages, but they are punishing members who attend his clinics??
                                          What are people who have signed up to clinic with him in the future supposed to do?
                                          What is the point of stopping grown adults from making a decision for themselves as to if they want to clinic with him?

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