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  • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post
    When a psychiatrist (that is, MD) has a consensual relationship with an adult patient, I can see that that would lead to losing their license to practice medicine, but is it a violation of the criminal code that can get you on the sex offender’s registry? Honest question.
    I cannot find anything on google that pertains to anything but ethics and licensing. I would think there is more to the story than what was disclosed by this doctor.

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    • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
      A quick google search reveals its dependent upon state and the actual incident with regards to adults.
      But can a fully consensual relationship between adult psychiatrist with an adult patient get you on the sex offenders registry? Loss of medical license, sure.

      But where is the crime?

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      • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

        But can a fully consensual relationship between adult psychiatrist with an adult patient get you on the sex offenders registry? Loss of medical license, sure.

        But where is the crime?
        No. Not from what I can see. If I am wrong, feel free to cite the source.

        ETA: one could argue that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for a patient to “fully” consent to a romantic, physical, or emotional relationship with a psychiatrist by virtue of the relationship.
        Last edited by erinmeri; Aug. 28, 2019, 10:43 PM. Reason: clarity

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        • Originally posted by eq6375 View Post
          The h/j forum needs new threads because this is getting old.
          If you think it is getting old, the best thing to do is stop opening it. If you think the forum needs new threads, start them.
          *****
          You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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          • Originally posted by MHM View Post

            Or that was the version he told you, anyway. Did he provide any independent confirmation of the facts?
            Right after I posted, I thought some more about it because it seemed that there were some pieces missing; there would have to have been a criminal trial for him to be added to the sex offender registry. This was about 25 years ago, and after thinking some more about it, I do think that the woman must have accused him of rape, and now that I am thinking harder about the events, I do think he was honest about that. Whatever the details that I don't remember, the part that I do remember is feeling bad that this guy made a bad decision regarding a relationship and it ended up really wrecking his life, and he seemed genuinely honest to all of his neighbors about what happened, and I was not at all worried about the safety of me or my daughter, or anyone else on our street, after we met him. The other neighbors who spoke with him felt the same way, and no women or children were raped by him for the rest of the time we lived on that street.

            The bottom line is that this is an example of someone who ended up on the sex offender registry for reasons that had nothing to do with sexual contact with minors, and after speaking with him directly I was not the least bit uncomfortable with the fact that he lived on the same street that my daughter and I did. Any of you are welcome to accuse me of being naive for believing someone who is clearly a serial liar, but 25 years later I stand by my conclusions.

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            • Originally posted by BLBGP View Post

              I watched it when it came out and it is an incredible depiction of grooming through a child's and adult's eyes. I was especially jolted by the part (spoiler alert until the end of this paragraph) where the adult Jennifer remembers herself as a cocky older mature teen, then sees a picture of what she really looked like when it started, and the actress playing her as a child changes entirely.

              But I'm from the other coast, so I don't know who the people you mention could be. PM me?
              PMing.

              I really think all the people who have weighed in on Facebook about how things were different in the 70’s, and teenage girls were “screwing for the blue” etc etc, should sit through that movie.

              The most jarring thing to me? Closing credits show a picture of the real life, awkward, 13 year old Jennifer Fox wearing a helmet. A close up of her face. She’s a child. Not a child a healthy, well adjusted adult male should have, or would have, been sexually attracted to (nothing against Jennifer Fox - she’s a lovely woman... she just was a very human 13 year old girl in an awkward stage back then).

              An adult, full size man having a “relationship” like that with a young girl? It’s 100% predatory in such a complex way. So sad. The movie captures this so well... there is no justification for this... the people who engaged in this behavior with the teenaged girl were DEPRAVED.

              Sidenote... Jonathan Soresi was 13 when he first went to Hunterdon and claims the abuse with GM started. Same time frame as when the story from “The Tale” took place. Actually... geographically not that far away either (the real farm from the Tale was outside of Philadelphia... near Devon).

              Mr. Soresi’s criminal record seems to have limited sympathy for him... but think about that again after watching that movie. Rather stunning. And sad. 13 years old...
              Last edited by Virginia Horse Mom; Aug. 29, 2019, 12:05 AM.

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              • Originally posted by ynl063w View Post

                Right after I posted, I thought some more about it because it seemed that there were some pieces missing; there would have to have been a criminal trial for him to be added to the sex offender registry. This was about 25 years ago, and after thinking some more about it, I do think that the woman must have accused him of rape, and now that I am thinking harder about the events, I do think he was honest about that. Whatever the details that I don't remember, the part that I do remember is feeling bad that this guy made a bad decision regarding a relationship and it ended up really wrecking his life, and he seemed genuinely honest to all of his neighbors about what happened, and I was not at all worried about the safety of me or my daughter, or anyone else on our street, after we met him. The other neighbors who spoke with him felt the same way, and no women or children were raped by him for the rest of the time we lived on that street.

                The bottom line is that this is an example of someone who ended up on the sex offender registry for reasons that had nothing to do with sexual contact with minors, and after speaking with him directly I was not the least bit uncomfortable with the fact that he lived on the same street that my daughter and I did. Any of you are welcome to accuse me of being naive for believing someone who is clearly a serial liar, but 25 years later I stand by my conclusions.
                When I lived in Santa Barbara in college, the sex offender registry (and, frankly, the Internet) were in their baby years. This is maybe 2000/2001 and I had only had the Internet for a few years. I didn’t know what the registry was, or if it even existed.

                There was a house across the street that was home to a lot of transient tenants. All were polite to me, and nobody acted untoward. I did see some “drama” over there, but it didn’t bug me. Well, when Megan’s law finally allowed me to search by address (IIRC, I was long gone by then)... that one house had at least five sex offenders. At the same address. At the same time. When I had lived there, there were serial rapes happening in the immediate area. I myself had been followed home.

                So, your safety may not have felt threatened... but who knows what this man did or didn’t do. Just because they seem okay doesn’t mean they are.

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                • I mean, he seemed genuinely honest by saying his accuser was lying. He was either found or pleaded guilty. I don't know that that dude, the convicted sex offender who only admits to breaking his professional code of ethics, is super reliable.

                  admitting to small indiscretions to hide the larger ones is like perp 101.

                  And being charming enough so all the neighbours believe he's just an unlucky guy and not the sex offender he actually is is literally what everyone says about so so so many serial rapists and or murderers.
                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                  • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                    I mean, he seemed genuinely honest by saying his accuser was lying. He was either found or pleaded guilty. I don't know that that dude, the convicted sex offender who only admits to breaking his professional code of ethics, is super reliable.

                    admitting to small indiscretions to hide the larger ones is like perp 101.

                    And being charming enough so all the neighbours believe he's just an unlucky guy and not the sex offender he actually is is literally what everyone says about so so so many serial rapists and or murderers.
                    LOL like I said, I know all of you are going to accuse me of being a naive idiot, and I am really regretting providing an example of someone who could be placed on the sex offender registry without having sexually violated a minor in any way. The dude seemed genuine and believable, none of us had any way to remove him from the neighborhood even if he told us that he raped the crap out of thousands of toddlers, and he didn't rape anyone on our street, minor or not, for the rest of the time that I lived there, so 25 years later I stand by my original gut instinct after speaking with him. Sure, it's possible that the day after I moved out of that house, he went on a child molestation spree that encompassed the entire neighborhood and I was lucky that I missed it, but I'm ok believing that it just never happened because he was a guy who made a stupid mistake that cost him a whole lot more than he bargained for.

                    Good people really do sometimes make stupid mistakes that cost them a whole lot more than they ever bargained for. My brother let a friend of his who didn't have a driver's license drive his car one time when they were teenagers and the friend drove my brother's car into a tree. My brother died that night. How many of you want to tell me that my brother was stupid? He wasn't stupid; he was a good person who made a single bad decision and it sadly cost him his life.

                    My former neighbor did not give anyone on our street any reason to think that he was anything but a good person who made a bad decision with respect to a personal relationship that went bad and cost him a lot. And after he explained his situation to everyone who accepted his invitation to his house, he did not have any kind of unwanted physical or sexual contact with anyone in the neighborhood, minor or adult.

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                    • Ted Bundy started UW cares, that was about helping coeds get home safely on campus.

                      He was described widely as charming and charismatic.

                      He was so charming he was left alone in a room in the court house where he was awaiting varies trials and extradition for multiple murders. he escaped not once but twice.

                      Sometimes monsters seem very genial.
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                      • letting a friend without a license drive is a mistake, raping someone is not a mistake.
                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                        • Originally posted by ynl063w View Post

                          LOL like I said, I know all of you are going to accuse me of being a naive idiot, and I am really regretting providing an example of someone who could be placed on the sex offender registry without having sexually violated a minor in any way. The dude seemed genuine and believable, none of us had any way to remove him from the neighborhood even if he told us that he raped the crap out of thousands of toddlers, and he didn't rape anyone on our street, minor or not, for the rest of the time that I lived there, so 25 years later I stand by my original gut instinct after speaking with him. Sure, it's possible that the day after I moved out of that house, he went on a child molestation spree that encompassed the entire neighborhood and I was lucky that I missed it, but I'm ok believing that it just never happened because he was a guy who made a stupid mistake that cost him a whole lot more than he bargained for.

                          Good people really do sometimes make stupid mistakes that cost them a whole lot more than they ever bargained for. My brother let a friend of his who didn't have a driver's license drive his car one time when they were teenagers and the friend drove my brother's car into a tree. My brother died that night. How many of you want to tell me that my brother was stupid? He wasn't stupid; he was a good person who made a single bad decision and it sadly cost him his life.

                          My former neighbor did not give anyone on our street any reason to think that he was anything but a good person who made a bad decision with respect to a personal relationship that went bad and cost him a lot. And after he explained his situation to everyone who accepted his invitation to his house, he did not have any kind of unwanted physical or sexual contact with anyone in the neighborhood, minor or adult.
                          Nothing about your experience or your post or your response to anyone else’s post is “LoL”. Frankly this is disturbing. All of it. And if you can’t see that? God help you.

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                          • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                            letting a friend without a license drive is a mistake, raping someone is not a mistake.
                            Finding yourself in a relationship with someone who falsely accuses you of rape when the relationship goes south is a mistake.

                            Again, I don't know if he raped the woman in question or not, and I really didn't care at the time. I was so incredibly relieved to know that he didn't molest children that the details of his consensual relationship with his adult patient didn't matter to me one bit.

                            I don't post here much anymore because you are all so goddamn exhausting in finding every single little tiny way to prove that someone is wrong about what is posted, and you all need every single tiny little [edit] detail to answer every broad question anyone asks about anything, and it's so incredibly off-putting.

                            I provided a real life example of someone who was put on the sexual offender list without involving minors, because someone asked if that was possible. So the answer is yes, that is possible.
                            Last edited by Moderator 1; Sep. 24, 2019, 08:18 AM. Reason: profanity

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                            • blindly believing registered sex offenders is probably a conversation stopper for me. It's super hip in the I stand with pedophiles page though, but I'm done with this exchange.
                              Let me apologize in advance.

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                              • Originally posted by erinmeri View Post

                                Nothing about your experience or your post or your response to anyone else’s post is “LoL”. Frankly this is disturbing. All of it. And if you can’t see that? God help you.
                                Whoa Nelly!

                                Someone a number of pages back insisted that I "lighten up". So I'm going to pay that forward and say, please stop beating up on ynl063w. Yee gads! Lighten up, for crying out loud.
                                ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~

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                                • Originally posted by 4LeafCloverFarm View Post

                                  Whoa Nelly!

                                  Someone a number of pages back insisted that I "lighten up". So I'm going to pay that forward and say, please stop beating up on ynl063w. Yee gads! Lighten up, for crying out loud.
                                  I’ll second that. It’s making me wince.

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                                  • Originally posted by erinmeri View Post

                                    Nothing about your experience or your post or your response to anyone else’s post is “LoL”. Frankly this is disturbing. All of it. And if you can’t see that? God help you.
                                    That seems a bit harsh (but perhaps you didn't intend it to). Good people tend to trust and give others the benefit of the doubt, and fundamentally that comes from a good heart even if it later seems ill-advised.

                                    Today I listened to an NPR podcast about a girl who was sexually assaulted at 13. Every day as she walked to the bus stop, a man who was always loitering around would smile and wave at her, and she waved back. One day, he grabbed her at knifepoint and put his hand in her private area. Decades later, she still blamed herself for being friendly to him.

                                    There is something so sad about blaming oneself or others for being kind and trusting.

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                                    • Originally posted by erinmeri View Post

                                      Nothing about your experience or your post or your response to anyone else’s post is “LoL”. Frankly this is disturbing. All of it. And if you can’t see that? God help you.
                                      I honestly don't even understand what your post means. What is it about my "experience", "my post", or my "response to anyone else's post" is so "disturbing" to you? I have no idea why God should help me; can you please help me understand what has you so upset about my posts and let me know what I need to do to get God to help me? I feel like I should be scared but I'm not so that might be bad. Should I stay inside if there is a chance of thinderstorms?

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                                      • Yn1063w, I’m so terribly sorry about the loss of your brother.

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                                        • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                          blindly believing registered sex offenders is probably a conversation stopper for me. It's super hip in the I stand with pedophiles page though, but I'm done with this exchange.
                                          I guess I have to repeat for you the fact that my neighbor was not a pedophile. Perhaps I need to add that I did not befriend the man after he told his story. I never saw him again. I went on with my life, he presumably went on with his life, and today is the first time I have thought about him in more than 20 years based on a single question posted here on this thread. You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of how it works when a convicted sexual offender moves to your street. You have no recourse. You cannot remove the sex offender from your street just because you don't want to live near a registered sex offender. You can go ahead and believe that my neighbor was a threat to our street and all of us were stupid to stay in our houses, living right next to a dangerous sexual predator, but somehow all of us living there at the time decided that he was not a threat, and he never proved us wrong. No one of any age was molested or raped by him, so I think those of us who lived through it at the time made the right decision, and you armchair quarterbacks weighing in 20 years after the fact might be more than a little heavy on the drama, because none of it actually ever happened.

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