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  • AlterHalter2019 What a terrible ordeal and how strong and resilient you were to see it through to the end. This must have eaten up so much of your young life! My heart goes out to you.

    Tiramit I heartily agree with you on all accounts re oversight outside of USEF. Hopefully somewhere in some back room of officialdom others are also mulling over long term solutions to that conundrum.

    Send out your ideas and you never know whose desk they might land on!
    Last edited by ohmyheck; Aug. 20, 2019, 02:19 PM.
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    • A bit of a detour but Unrelenting should probably be burned just for looking like it was written by a tween on an iPhone. Did they get paid solely by the number of exclamation points?
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      • Originally posted by MHM View Post

        Which book?

        The fact that this is a legitimate question really demonstrates the whole dichotomy of the situation. His book Hunter Seat Equitation has been regarded as a classic for decades, and has been read countless times by generations of riders. That book, based strictly on its own merits, is considered by many to be the textbook (or the Bible) of the sport.

        His memoir (which I have not read) sounds like an entirely different book, especially in light of recent developments. That one seems to be a more likely candidate for a bonfire.

        So do we burn both books? Burn the memoir and keep the textbook on the shelf? Keep the textbook but remove the cover with the picture? Run over the textbook with the tractor but not burn it? That’s the mental struggle for many people.

        On a slight tangent. I wonder what might have been different if he had never written the first book. I believe the column in Practical Horseman came after the book, and probably as a result of it. Without that first book, would he still have reached the position he did as the ultimate authority in the sport for many people? Or would he have been just another trainer from New Jersey with several successful riders?
        the Memoir. I am relatively disgusted with myself for even forking over a dime to him for that book. I am not dismissing the fact that George Morris was a tremendous equitation trainer. He was. And he demanded discipline from his students in the arena. Something we still need today. But he hid behind that discipline and that fame that he built for himself in order to verbally abuse many...as well as other things. His verbal abuse is well known, well quoted, and well documented even in very, very recent years. And for many years it was joked about, laughed about, etc despite clear rules from USEF for such behavior. There is no excuse for some of the things that he said to his pupils.

        It is well known that GM is not a great horseman either. he has admitted to that. He has abused horses for the sake of his career. He had staff for the horse-side of things. The horse was merely a means to get from point A to point B in the sport, a vehicle at his disposal. And he demanded every inch of perfection from them as he did from his students and spared no expense of the horse trying to make that happen.

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        • Originally posted by AlterHalter2019 View Post

          I can assure you this farm is not a multi-million dollar business. If they are bringing that much cash flow in it’s from something unrelated to the horse world. The farm is falling to pieces and is crumbling beneath TN. No credible lesson program. His business partner has apparently parted ways and is no longer “coaching” the IEA team (on paper of course). The farm is physically falling apart from lack of maintenance. Boarders are supposedly leaving in droves at this point. The only ones left are die-hard Navarro believers. Sadly, the teenage girls and their parents look past his record for whatever reason. I know of at least a few who, when asked, are blatantly aware but state “he’s never shown us any indication of being a creeper... it’s a really sad story that he got mixed up in... its all a misunderstanding...” whatever the story du jour is. It’s really sad, because teenage girls are so easy to groom. If you can manipulate them into thinking they misinterpreted you, you’re golden. If you can get them to believe it’s all part of succeeding in their riding goals, you’re golden. It’s truly terrifying that he was allowed to be part of a lesson program while on the registry, and just like that, he’s off of it at the snap of his fingers and now he is teaching teenage girls (and younger), was allowed to take them to shows, etc. I sincerely hope he never laid a finger on any of them.
          A large group of boarders at the farm left at once a few years ago, all of them gave 30 days notice not a single one got their security deposit back which wasn't fair. He also kept some other money that was due to a boarder who clipped a number of horses there. I toured the farm before knowing his history and it's run down, fields have no grass and horses get limited hay in stalls. I don't think anyone really serious about riding boards there but parents who don't know better and don't know horses can't see those problems and certainly haven't googled him. It's a shame that there's no way to stop him from teaching little kids but how the heck do you get the word out to the general public?

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          • Originally posted by stargzng386 View Post
            It's a shame that there's no way to stop him from teaching little kids but how the heck do you get the word out to the general public?
            The problem isn't limited to sexual predators. Years ago I rode in an area that was "headlined" by a big barn. The woman trainer was reckless, ambitious, and cut huge corners on training to the point of being dangerous. She inflated horse prices, cheated on deals, used up horses, pushed students and horses beyond their skill and comfort level, and burned out a good % of her riders.

            A lot of people got hurt in her training program. While I was in the area, 3 of her junior riders ended up int the hospital with life threatening injuries after riding accidents. When they left the hospital, doctors told 2 of them they could never ride again or do many other life activities due to the injuries (something to do with motion) and the 3rd was too scared to ride. These were riders who had been talented up and comers under another trainer who had moved away. I lost count on the broken arm type stuff. I struggled with how to report her as she wasn't directly abusing them. They fell off or with their horses in training or competitions. It was chalked up as a dangerous sport.

            The above didn't matter a bit to her business. She had a thriving lesson program with new families and a steady stream of people buying fresh horses to replace the broken ones for years.

            Sadly she is far from unique within the horse world. The question is, how can abusers be stopped?
            "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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            • Originally posted by stargzng386 View Post

              A large group of boarders at the farm left at once a few years ago, all of them gave 30 days notice not a single one got their security deposit back which wasn't fair.
              The point of the deposit is that when you give the 30 days notice you don't pay that last board bill as your deposit covers it, so of course you never get the deposit back. Did the boarders not realize that is how it works? My horse just died and I had to eat 30 days of board. Sucks but that's how it works. I couldn't really give 30 days notice in advance of his death, and a boarding contract is a binding contract.


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              • Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                The point of the deposit is that when you give the 30 days notice you don't pay that last board bill as your deposit covers it, so of course you never get the deposit back. Did the boarders not realize that is how it works? My horse just died and I had to eat 30 days of board. Sucks but that's how it works. I couldn't really give 30 days notice in advance of his death, and a boarding contract is a binding contract.

                This is probably another horse thing that might run afoul of the law. Security deposits labeled as such in my state cannot be used to pay the last months rent. It may vary by state though.

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                • there are so many things I'd like to add to this thread on rcf and tn. Some very good points have been made about his willingness to exaggetate- sponsorships, USMC affiliation, and the amount of $ his business makes. There are many other things he has exaggerated, such as his level of training, riding and knowledge in the industry. Basically anything he says should be viewed with suspicion.

                  There are people who need to take responsibility for TN still being in the business. When we saw that GMU was putting their equestrian team at RCF, my husband called both the human resources department and the athletic department to bring awareness of TNs conviction of sodomy against a minor. Both offices were already aware but neither office took action because he was supposed to have "very limited contact" with the students.

                  Rcf is always hanging on by a thread. The groom's do the best they can with limited resources. There have been times that the farm had one working wheel barrow to clean 50 stalls. They are underpaid and overworked, and there's no way so few grooms can take quality care of 90 horses.
                  In my opinion, Tn gains people's confidence and exploits that confidence in the interest of making money. Do not support this business and for gods God's sake, don't buy a horse from him


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                  • Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                    The point of the deposit is that when you give the 30 days notice you don't pay that last board bill as your deposit covers it, so of course you never get the deposit back. Did the boarders not realize that is how it works? My horse just died and I had to eat 30 days of board. Sucks but that's how it works. I couldn't really give 30 days notice in advance of his death, and a boarding contract is a binding contract.

                    So sorry to hear of your loss. We would have given you your board back...

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                    • What alter halter experienced in court is what most defense lawyers try to do to every rape victim and every child molestation victim It is up to the prosecutor to make sure this does not happen. Unfortunately some prosecutors are afraid to try cases. And sexual crimes scare the crap out of a lot of prosecutors. I don't know why the hell prosecutors are afraid to try rapes and child molestations and murders. But I saw that over and over in over 28 yrs. including when I was asked by a rookie to go save his case when Nancy grace was supposed to be training him. Poor little girl whose father had been raping her and her mother fled town with her. Demand more of those who represent victims

                      i boarded at a barn where the BO told me her husband had been accused of molesting some of the 32 foster kids they'd had over the years. I hope there is a hell.

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                      • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                        Is there any truth to the story about him making a student roll in the dirt, or is that fictitious?
                        I was in a clinic with GM in the 70's. One girl had a nervous giggle that George found irritating. He picked up a handful of dirt and told her to open her mouth, she didn't, but he threw the dirt in her face anyway.!

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                        • Originally posted by Zenyatta View Post

                          I was in a clinic with GM in the 70's. One girl had a nervous giggle that George found irritating. He picked up a handful of dirt and told her to open her mouth, she didn't, but he threw the dirt in her face anyway.!
                          That is so very awful. The poor girl. I hate mean people.
                          "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                          • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                            That is so very awful. The poor girl. I hate mean people.
                            I agree, there's no need to degrade anyone.

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                            • Now there is irony for you.
                              ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~

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                              • This is refreshing: https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...om-the-in-gate

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                                • Originally posted by skydy View Post
                                  ohhhh but then I read the comments

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                                  • Originally posted by unicornsarereal View Post
                                    there are so many things I'd like to add to this thread on rcf and tn. Some very good points have been made about his willingness to exaggetate- sponsorships, USMC affiliation, and the amount of $ his business makes. There are many other things he has exaggerated, such as his level of training, riding and knowledge in the industry. Basically anything he says should be viewed with suspicion.

                                    There are people who need to take responsibility for TN still being in the business. When we saw that GMU was putting their equestrian team at RCF, my husband called both the human resources department and the athletic department to bring awareness of TNs conviction of sodomy against a minor. Both offices were already aware but neither office took action because he was supposed to have "very limited contact" with the students.

                                    Rcf is always hanging on by a thread. The groom's do the best they can with limited resources. There have been times that the farm had one working wheel barrow to clean 50 stalls. They are underpaid and overworked, and there's no way so few grooms can take quality care of 90 horses.
                                    In my opinion, Tn gains people's confidence and exploits that confidence in the interest of making money. Do not support this business and for gods God's sake, don't buy a horse from him

                                    So George Mason University and their athletic department was notified of his criminal record involving sexual abuse of a minor... and they chose to have him instruct a class and briefly affiliated their team with his farm ANYWAY?!?!

                                    That’s stunning. And stupid. Obviously Michigan State University paid a HEFTY legal price in terms of civil penalties after their absurd handling of Larry Nasser.

                                    But Larry Nassar was a widely respected team doctor. Tom Navarro is incredibly lacking in terms of qualification to teach any class, much less coach a college program. And he plead guilty to 3rd degree sodomy involving a 14 year old. What in the WORLD was GMU thinking?

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                                    • Originally posted by greysfordays View Post

                                      ohhhh but then I read the comments
                                      Yup. Great article. Telling comments

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                                      • Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                                        The point of the deposit is that when you give the 30 days notice you don't pay that last board bill as your deposit covers it, so of course you never get the deposit back. Did the boarders not realize that is how it works? My horse just died and I had to eat 30 days of board. Sucks but that's how it works. I couldn't really give 30 days notice in advance of his death, and a boarding contract is a binding contract.

                                        They actually paid 30 days plus didn’t get the deposit back so essentially were forced to gave 60 days pay after they gave notice. I know how a normal security deposit works but he was pissed because a number of people left at once.

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                                        • Originally posted by greysfordays View Post

                                          ohhhh but then I read the comments
                                          "the second an investigation is opened against you, you have to expend great cost and jump through hoops to even begin to challenge the investigation and any finding against you"

                                          Obviously she has never represented anyone at a licensing board hearing.

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