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  • oneequestrienne Yes, I knew that it was Kathy Hobstetter's post and Peggy was just sharing it, not advocating the idea. That's what I was trying to say, but obviously, didn't say it very well. I blame lack of caffeine, but apologise to Peggy anyway.

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    • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post

      But but but...

      He has trained horses AND riders to the top levels of INTERNATIONAL competition. And started over 300 horses.

      And he’s a PROFESSOR. Or was a professor? Anyway - he stopped teaching at Mason because he wants to be some sort of leader in changing the culture of the local horse community. Something about making it fun again...

      And he was an Army Ranger. (At least he claimed to be according to another poster).

      And we was found guilty of 3rd degree sodomy in New York State back in 2000 when he was 30 and the victim was 14

      And last but not least - this guy tried to start an IEA team last year.

      Where in the world did he find the time for all this?!? Army Rangers are pretty busy and most have seen a lot of combat over the last 2 decades....
      I can't speak to his curriculum vitae or his supposed military career in the 90's, but he was the instructor for at least one recreational elective offering at Mason, Introduction To Horsemanship, for a very brief time, before someone else stepped up and offered it. I don't know if he was given the boot because of his status - at the time - as a sex offender or because he did something wrong or because he just didn't want to do it, but it was not a long-term thing for him. His use of the term "Professor" doesn't make him a Professor, as the term is just generically used in the paperwork to refer to the instructors or "whomever is in charge".
      Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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      • Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post

        But but but...

        He has trained horses AND riders to the top levels of INTERNATIONAL competition. And started over 300 horses.

        And he’s a PROFESSOR. Or was a professor? Anyway - he stopped teaching at Mason because he wants to be some sort of leader in changing the culture of the local horse community. Something about making it fun again...

        And he was an Army Ranger. (At least he claimed to be according to another poster).

        And we was found guilty of 3rd degree sodomy in New York State back in 2000 when he was 30 and the victim was 14

        And last but not least - this guy tried to start an IEA team last year.

        Where in the world did he find the time for all this?!? Army Rangers are pretty busy and most have seen a lot of combat over the last 2 decades....
        You forgot that he was also Christopher Reeve's groom. I'm surprised that so many in the local area have never heard of such an illustrious "BNT" like him.

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        • Originally posted by Keep it Simple View Post

          Some of what BN writes is correct, but not all. The main point to remember is this law was to Amend the Ted Stevens Act. The past has shown that children need to be protected. What does she recommend? That the accused is allowed to go along as business as usual until the time a hearing can be scheduled - maybe time to get a case together? Well, Jeffrey Epstein’s case was set to go to trial in June 2020. His attorneys said they would not be ready until after Labor Day 2020. Almost 15 months to prepare? How many kids will get abused in the meantime?
          Well, probably none, because he was going to sit in jail waiting for that trial. Which I guess some people consider less onerous than an interim suspension.
          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
            Peggy, I'm not suggesting that you're in favor of this idea, but rather than contributing $$$ to some GoFundMe with nebulous goals, let me suggest that it would be better to actually think things through and write your congresspersons with concrete suggestions for an overhaul, but that's just my .02.
            Hmm. Think things through. Probably a good exercise in general, but not one always employed.

            Edited to note that that this was directed at the ISWG crowd and not dannyboy. And I interpreted what what s/he said as not directed at me.
            The Evil Chem Prof

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            • Originally posted by poltroon View Post

              Well, probably none, because he was going to sit in jail waiting for that trial. Which I guess some people consider less onerous than an interim suspension.
              I think she was just using that as an example of how long a trial could take and how long someone following BN "wants" for SS could be around kids if no interim suspension was issued.

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              • What is the timeline for GMs appeal? Is there a date we should be looking forward to for an answer?
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                • Originally posted by roseymare View Post
                  Although I suppose what she said could apply to someone who has a criminal conviction- that is an automatic ban correct?. So she may be not lying per say but out of context and hoping people will think her statements are true across the board. Either way I do not like her tact.
                  If SafeSport receives notice of a criminal
                  case that ends in something other than acquittal (including pleading down to a lesser charge in a plea bargain), the person is immediately banned without an investigation. Those are the cases listed as “criminal disposition”. In equestrian, 75% of the bans are “criminal disposition” as opposed to the result of SafeSport investigations.
                  Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Aug. 19, 2019, 01:37 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                    What is the timeline for GMs appeal? Is there a date we should be looking forward to for an answer?
                    I'd guess we would have to keep an eye on the news - I forget where I got a "50 days" number but that's what popped into my head first.... then they'll ask for continuance/time until the defense was prepared on some regular basis.

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                    • Well, Tom's ban was listed as of December 2018. Then there was a "pending appeal" which apparently became final just about the same day as George's ban was announced. I think SS said about 45 days for the appeals process, but noted that that timeline was fluid, depending on circumstances.
                      Actually it's kind of handy that the ban takes effect immediately, because it removes the incentive for the banned person to drag out the appeals process.

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                      • Crashing Boar wrote: "I just don't see Generation Snowflake producing the grit, guts, and resilience to get us there." I beg to differ. Was in Las Vegas last November for the World Cup qualifier class. Watched the juniors in the eq and hunter classes....I was relieved to see really good riding, and even better riding if an error was made on course. Alot of the really good riders are in someone's back yard, not seen by the "elite" coaches....I digress......no comment on the Morris thing; still trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.....
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                        • Originally posted by Keep it Simple View Post
                          I know what is actually supposed to happen. What I don't understand is all the contradiction within BN's statement. She is supposedly giving us a look on the inside of the procedure. Yet she simultaneously says something doesn't happen then later says it does.

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                          • Originally posted by roseymare View Post
                            What exactly do they feel is unfair? Is that answered anywhere?
                            I was in the SafeSport Overhaul group for a few days. It is the usual incoherent ranting about “unconstitutional” and “no due process”.

                            I posted a reply saying that “due process” is not a zero/one thing, instead it is a continuum with, say, the level of due process of zero for a 1930’s lynch mob up to level 10 due process for the US criminal justice system. On this continuum, say SafeSport is a five.

                            My point was that useful and potentially achievable reform might be achieved by identifying one or two or three specific changes that would move SafeSport from a 5 to a 6 or a 7. Doesn’t matter if you want to say that SafeSport now is a 2 or an 8. The point is that the useful discussion is how to move up the ladder one or two steps.

                            The are legitimate reasons that SafeSport was designed with a level of due process less than the due process of the criminal justice system. No reform will be achieved by continuing to scream “No due process”.

                            My assessment was that most people just want to bash SafeSport. Kathy Hobsetter may want reform, but as her Gofundme statement illustrates, she is not running the group in a way that can produce coherent, specific suggests for improvement.

                            I quit the group after being scolded by Kathy in a PM for correcting a poster on the age of consent in the US since 1920. The poster provided a link to a Wikipedia article, and stated that the article said that as of 1920, most states had an AOC of 14.
                            Me: No, it says that as of 1920 most states had age of consent of 16-18.
                            OP: No, it says that feminists “wanted” to raise the AOC to 16 to 18.
                            Me: Here is the direct quote in the Wikipedia article that you posted which says that when Georgia raised the AOC to 14 in 1918, it was then the only state with age of consent lower than 16-18.
                            Kathy scolded me for contradicting the OP, and said that everyone was entitled to their opinion.
                            I left.

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                            • Originally posted by LexInVA View Post

                              I believe he's been here for about a decade and only popped up on people's radar a few years ago, when he was showing himself in conjunction with Riverchase Farm's clients, after taking over the business. If he was hanging around here before that, he'd been completely on the sidelines and under-the-radar.
                              It seems like I've heard negative stories about him for, oh about 6-7 years, but these have been of the "lack of business and management skills" variety and how he's wasting a gold mine of a location. RC always seems to come up in conversations where people sit around and gossip over drinks or sitting in the stands about making money on lessons in the horse business. His sexual predator status was news when first mentioned on the RG thread.

                              Having said that, I've never met him and, since I have my own place, have had no need to visit RC in recent years.
                              "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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                              • Originally posted by vineyridge View Post

                                And Harry Chamberlin and Gordon Wright. I was under the impression that GM was molded by Wright. If he started in Connecticut there was a very famous school for young riders there but I forget the name.

                                Looked it up. It is the New Canaan Mounted Horse Troop, founded and run by Margaret Cabell Self in GM's time. She was a very prolific writer of horse books, most for children. Since GM is from New Canaan, it's very likely that he got his start in horses with her.
                                I know I'm about 8 pages behind here, but catching up after the weekend. I'm reading that book of his now, and that's part of the first bit, he did ride there at first. But he says he didn't stay there longer than he had to because it wasn't enough riding and was too much marching and other stuff, so moved on to a private riding club.
                                It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                                • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                  I quit the group after being scolded by Kathy in a PM for correcting a poster on the age of consent in the US since 1920. The poster provided a link to a Wikipedia article, and stated that the article said that as of 1920, most states had an AOC of 14.
                                  Me: No, it says that as of 1920 most states had age of consent of 16-18.
                                  OP: No, it says that feminists “wanted” to raise the AOC to 16 to 18.
                                  Me: Here is the direct quote in the Wikipedia article that you posted which says that when Georgia raised the AOC to 14 in 1918, it was then the only state with age of consent lower than 16-18.
                                  Kathy scolded me for contradicting the OP, and said that everyone was entitled to their opinion.
                                  I left.
                                  WOW! It looks like Kathy needs a dictionary.


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                                  • I burned my GM book in the middle of my arena over the weekend, and then when it was reduced to ash, I raked it into the footing with the tractor.

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                                    • Originally posted by IPEsq View Post

                                      I know what is actually supposed to happen. What I don't understand is all the contradiction within BN's statement. She is supposedly giving us a look on the inside of the procedure. Yet she simultaneously says something doesn't happen then later says it does.
                                      Which is why Bonnie Navin's behavior on social media makes me wonder if she is fit and capable for practicing law. She unprofessionally shares details publicly complete with poor grammar and riddled with emotion. Then she can't even keep her own facts straight, contradicting herself in a manner that makes her look like she is grasping at straws. To top it all off, she tags convicted sex offenders in her posts to help support her claims.

                                      Are state bar associations really okay with their members behaving in such a manner?!?
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                                      • Now George will always be a part of your riding life and you can say I stand on George rather than with him.

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                                        • Hi Texarkana and dannyboy - SmartPak here! Please know that as a company, we take SafeSport violations very seriously as they are in direct conflict with our mission of healthy horses and happy riders. We want to clear up the confusion regarding our association with Tom Navarro and River Chase Farm, since it’s been mentioned here a couple of times. SmartPak does not currently, nor have we ever, sponsored Tom Navarro or River Chase Farm. We appreciate you drawing our attention to River Chase Farm’s unauthorized use of our logo on their Sponsors page. Having reviewed it, we found that this was seemingly a copied image of an outdated corporate logo that has not been use for several years. We also see that, in any case, the unauthorized logo has now been removed from River Chase Farm’s website. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our Customer Care Team at 1-800-461-8898 or CustomerCare@SmartPak.com and one of our team members would be happy to help. – the SmartPak Team

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