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Spruce Meadows - the horse who gave his all

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  • Spruce Meadows - the horse who gave his all

    As I’m reading through FB post after FB post about the horse who won the 500k queen elizabeth cup (3 rounds) and then was entered the next day in the 1.60 jumper derby (which in itself is a tough class) had 28 faults, could barely jump, I watched the video and felt a string of mixed emotions - horrified, extremely sad for the horse, and angry that this is what our sport is - it was no longer about the horse here it was about greed.

    I have read the posts stating “everyone makes mistakes” - yes everyone can have a bad round but forcing your horse to jump that many jumps when he’s clearly exhausted (and not pulling up once you realize it) and he has a heart of gold and just won a HUGE event for you is just devastating!

    So sad and I hope a lesson is learned, and I’m glad the horse is “ok” - but it angers me to see such greed and selfishness taking over this industry. My horse will always come first.
    He knows when you're happy, He knows when you're comfortable, He knows when you're confident, And he ALWAYS knows when you have carrots

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    Where is the video?

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    • #3
      That is disgusting. I don't even need to see the video, as you can see the results at SM website as evidence he had the gall to even run the horse the day after a big win. That is no horseman. Bad day? Mistake? No that was greed. It is amazing what people overlook when someone is winning.
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      • #4
        What made me absolutely nauseous was the post on Instagram stories of the horse being tacked up for the derby looking absolutely exhausted and you can hear them laughing. It's shameful.

        Andy made some comment that other horses had won the queen's cup and then won the derby and some nonsense about wanting to complete the course for showmanship or some garbage.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BLBGP View Post
          Where is the video?
          Roy Wilten posted the round, as well as a snap from ECJ's instagram where they're making fun of the horse being tired beforehand. (To be fair, from what I've read, the owner is fairly clueless but Andy should've known better!)

          Gutted because I used to look up to him as a rider who could "get it done" even on a tough horse.

          So sad that some people don’t know when it’s enough and how to take good care of their horses after winning a big 5 * 1.60m at Spruce with 3 heavy...

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          • #6
            Watched what I could bear from the video, any rider with their salt would've pulled up, knowing that it wasn't the horse's day. he had no shot of placing. I wish I had the wear-with-all to yank that horse away from him and give him the home and rider he deserves. I was ambivalent over Kocher as a rider -didn't feel one way or the other about him. I am no long ambivalent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by supershorty628
              While I get that it's fun to throw someone under the bus, Andy posted a lengthy statement on his page about his poor decision and how much he regretted it, I believe it went up on the same day as the derby happened. I'm not condoning anything, but he made a bad judgment call, acknowledged it, and hopefully will learn from it.
              Are you referencing the post form July 8th on his public fb page? I am not sure I would personally consider that a "lengthy statement about his poor decision making" . It ready to me like a brief mention where he blamed the poor performance in the derby on Carrollo being inexperienced over those types of jumps and feeling anxious. He does apologize for making "an entry mistake" which is nice.

              Screenshot attached for convenience since his FB page is public and anyone can look it.


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              • #8
                HJdaydream I went and watched the videos after posting, which prompted me to delete my first comment on this thread as I no longer feel that his actions are defensible in any way. Unfortunately, you must have hit quote before I did so.

                I was thinking of my own experiences (and poor judgment calls) in asking a horse to jump around when I probably shouldn't have, but those were far less egregious than what I saw in those videos.
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                  Originally posted by supershorty628 View Post
                  HJdaydream I went and watched the videos after posting, which prompted me to delete my first comment on this thread as I no longer feel that his actions are defensible in any way. Unfortunately, you must have hit quote before I did so.
                  Ya the video speaks for itself - inexcusable! Entering the horse after it won big for you is bad enough but then not pulling up when he was clearly struggling was just icing on the cake.
                  He knows when you're happy, He knows when you're comfortable, He knows when you're confident, And he ALWAYS knows when you have carrots

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                  • #10
                    He wrote something about some horse/rider combinations having won both the QE cup and the SM derby in the same weekend. Really? Who?

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                    • #11
                      It was terrible horsemanship. His apology was lame, Roy said the horse has done derby classes before, he wasn’t inexperienced. And really after everything that horse did the day before he thought he’d need to finish the course?

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                      • #12
                        That will suck the try right out of a good horse. Jumps his heart out the day before, then a 28 faulter. Why would any horse still be a trier?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Midge View Post
                          That will suck the try right out of a good horse. Jumps his heart out the day before, then a 28 faulter. Why would any horse still be a trier?
                          Exactly. Even from a self-interested perspective, why on earth would you do this to such a valuable, wonderful horse and risk damaging him physically and psychologically? It's treating a horse like a machine, not an athlete.


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                          • #14
                            HJdaydream, I agree, his apology was pathetic.
                            And this was posted of another one of his stellar rounds:
                            https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/v...81-88839-1.mp4

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Impractical Horsewoman View Post

                              Exactly. Even from a self-interested perspective, why on earth would you do this to such a valuable, wonderful horse and risk damaging him physically and psychologically? It's treating a horse like a machine, not an athlete.

                              IDK, I guess you can't teach common sense or empathy?

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                              • #16
                                His Devon Grand Prix jump off was arrogant.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Impractical Horsewoman
                                  I just read his "apology" post on FB. Calling it an "entry mistake" sounds less like an apology and more of a "if only it hadn't been for you meddling social media kids, I might have gotten away with it."
                                  What is it that we say around here? When someone shows you who they are, believe them?

                                  The entry wasn't an accident
                                  Tacking up wasn't an accident
                                  Schooling wasn't an accident
                                  Showing wasn't an accident
                                  Completing the class wasn't an accident

                                  All driven with intent.
                                  Last edited by midstride; Jul. 12, 2019, 08:54 PM. Reason: Clarity
                                  where you invest your love, you invest your life

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by midstride View Post

                                    What is it that we say around here? When someone shows you who they are, believe them?

                                    The entry was a mistake?
                                    The schooling was a mistake?
                                    The showing was a mistake?
                                    Completing the class was a mistake?
                                    Exactly. Yes people make those kinds of mistakes when showing. They are not at this level. That’s not a mistake that’s arrogance.

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                                    • #19
                                      I saw this on FB this morning, what a heartless, arrogant jerk.

                                      For SHAME

                                      “Shaming” people’s reprehensible behavior is underutilized in our modern society IMO - but maybe since everyone is now online, he can and will suffer some much deserved repercussions. Or one can hope!

                                      i can’t imagine any owner wanting to put their horses with him after this, so with luck this will cost him money AND reputation.

                                      Poor horse, I hope he recovers from this (in someone else’s barn!)
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by bingbingbing View Post
                                        HJdaydream, I agree, his apology was pathetic.
                                        And this was posted of another one of his stellar rounds:
                                        https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/v...81-88839-1.mp4
                                        I've seen this video before, and I wondered if the horse was being naughty in some way, or if it was just hideous horsemanship, or what. Can someone who is more knowledgeable explain what we are seeing in this video?

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