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  • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    Pennywell Bay my only quibble is the idea that many of these honorable people can't reconcile the good people they knew doing terrible things. Many of them don't think that their friends' actions were terrible. If you look back on some of these friends' statements you get a lot of

    we were hot and banging moms and daughters and everyone wanted us

    junior whores were chasing these heroes

    screwing for blue

    on this thread, a girl who goes to a party at a friends house is asking for it

    Like, they don't just think the actions of their friends weren't wrong, they place the blame on the victims, or fail to comprehend at all why sexually assaulting minor children is even a problem.

    These are not people who will be persuaded by any rules or laws. These are the "old people" we just have to wait to die, and actively shun in the community so they can't spread their disgusting beliefs to the next generation. Someone said it way earlier in the thread, suggesting the influence of Jimmy Williams and that culture on Rob Gage's behaviour throughout his life. I don't think that's insignificant.

    Shun these people.
    Don't go to their clinics, don't pay for lessons.
    Appeal to venues and media not to use them as commentators or judges.
    Cut them off.
    Thank you for this post. It’s refreshing to see someone make a freaking case for ETHICS.

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    • Originally posted by oneequestrienne View Post

      It has taken someone (Safesport) coming from the outside to start this long overdue clean up. The equestrian world has had plenty of time to clean its own house and utterly failed. I have been around the h/j world since the 1970s and never thought I would see the day. Old actions matter because people who molest children don’t change. For those who think RG changed, I have personally seen photographic evidence from as recent as 2017 which shows his continued inappropriate behavior. No, I will not share it because there is a minor child involved. Suffice it to say that Safesport has the original and certain people at USHJA and USEF have seen a cropped version which protects the minor’s identity. It’s long overdue for these predators to be kicked out of the club. Good riddance.
      Thank you for your continued posts and voice. It must be an excruciating and stressful time for so many people who know the truth of these cases on a first hand basis, and see the PR campaigns launched by multiple predators and their supporters out on social media pick up steam. I cant even fathom it.

      Stay strong. Focus on the fact that there will be less of this bull $hit in years to come for future generations who have big dreams, live a sport, and want to pursue it seriously. As a parent... I’m grateful to the victims who have come forward. It means my kids WILL have a safer environment. I want that for them.

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      • Originally posted by ThePerfectFit View Post

        From my professional opinion working in the Mental health field, your statement is too simple to be validated. Realize the chain of events that occurs from a “single, determining factor”, a downward spiral in this case. It’s a butterfly effect. The same way in which someone who goes to jail kills themself while incarcerated before trial. Doesn’t mean that they have a long list of “reasons”. The single act of the safe sport allegations have created a detrimental chain of events. From tarnishing someone’s name, ruining their career, labeling them as a predator, causing financial stress from the lack of a job, emotional stress, public humiliation. All without investigation, evidence, etc. Your statement is ignorant at best.

        SafeSport is flawed and unconstitutional. It needs to be revisited, revised, then reimplemented. There is no way in which abuse of a minor should occur, ever. But this quickly implemented, witch hunt of an organization is crap to say the least. No due process, no statute of limitations, guilty until proven innocent. It is a scare tactic and also being used maliciously. It’s ruining the livelihood of others, victims and the accused.

        I have many issues with SafeSport. We are not like other sports, so the daily “communicate with the minor athlete and parent, another adult, 2 additional minors” is irresponsible. If a student is texted to get on their horse 15 mins early, does there really need to be another adult to hound them as well? It’s the “let’s hold your hand through life” society. Zero responsibility, zero accountability. Horses are a lifestyle. SafeSport is not the answer.

        I’m waiting for USEFs press release on this one, or will there even be one?....
        This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

        But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

        This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
        https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

        And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
        For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
        I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.



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        • Originally posted by msrobin View Post

          This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

          But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

          This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
          https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

          And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
          https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
          For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
          I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.


          Lest we forget who stood where
          Let me apologize in advance.

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          • Originally posted by msrobin View Post

            This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

            But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

            This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
            https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

            And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
            https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
            For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
            I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.


            You do realize that the "50 year" thing did not come from Safe Sport, it came from Morris who has every reason to minimize the accusations against him?

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            • Originally posted by msrobin View Post

              This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

              But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

              This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
              https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

              And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
              https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
              For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
              I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.


              Jonathan Soresi was put on the Safe Sport list on the same day as George Morris. Do you stand with him as well?

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              • Originally posted by msrobin View Post
                To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts.
                The accusations in Rob Gage's case are not 50 years old.

                What about the abuse that ruins people's lives and causes them to kill themselves (as we have seen already)? Rob had a good, wonderful, storied life (as has George). If you come to know who the children they molested are, will you be able to say the same about them?

                I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone.
                I don't think you actually despise it as much as the next person. And I also think that while you might be a good and lovely person, I don't think you know that much about what it takes to make a case or how challenging these cases are for kids. But, fortunately or unfortunately, there are a lot of places where you can learn more.

                When I was a kid in high school, I was mercilessly bullied. I could not tell anyone about it. I took punishments rather than tell my mom or the exasperated school officials. And that was nothing compared to something like this.

                There hasn't always been someone to tell. Kids who tried to tell weren't always believed. The father of one of Nassar's survivors forced her to apologize for making false accusations, only to find out later how wrong he was. And your plan - tell right away or not at all - means that serial molesters get away with decades of abuse and scores of victims. The first incident isn't so bad, the next one is just a wee bit more, and so on, until the situation is both obvious and out of hand.

                Read this article. This man isn't part of equestrian, so it's no one you know. But it may be worth your time.
                http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/sto...ormer-olympian

                The coach preached sobriety and celibacy, citing booze and girls as obstacles to athletic success. He had a word for messing around with members of the opposite sex: wenching. Mainwaring was an avid reader and classical music aficionado who seemed, at least to a kid from Leicester, to know everything. Some evenings after practice, the two would ride a bus downtown, where the coach -- he went simply by "Conrad" -- took Sharples to a Chinese restaurant and treated him to chicken and chips. Often, the coach would talk about a group of other select youngsters he trained -- his "international squad" -- at a summer camp in America.

                During one of their conversations, Mainwaring explained that he was doing research in psychology and wanted Sharples to be one of his subjects...
                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                • Originally posted by msrobin View Post


                  But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.
                  How do you know it was 50 years ago?



                  And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
                  For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
                  I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.
                  Why do you think there are no cold hard facts? Or nothing in the last 10 years?
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                  You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                  • I was groped by my trainer in my early 20s, came up behind me in the tack room. That was 45 years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday, still smell the beer and cigarettes on his breath.
                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                    • Originally posted by msrobin View Post


                      But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. Being blunt: you may not remember granola for breakfast- would you remember someone shoving their genitals in your face? So why wait? Have you followed the church sex abuse scandals at all? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. To those not willing to realize that idols, friends and good people can do some pretty bad things and can't separate it. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? Holy mother F#@ker. WHAT is wrong with you???? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Speechless Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. YESSSS. GM is bullied and a victim. I'm sure that is what he want to be thought as. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. *church sex abuse schandals*Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) who knows why he killed himself. The MULTIPLE VICTIMS (some of high stature) verified the abuse. it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person not that any of us can tell and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. You presumably joined a club that is beholden to SS, as a Olympic Sport, by the 2017 law etc etc. So these are the rules that you play by to be a member. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. IYou know nothing NOTHING about victims. f you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. Finally I agree On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

                      This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
                      https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

                      And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
                      For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
                      I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.


                      Above is not a commentary on GM but on the seemingly willful blind ignorance on abuse victims. I am a GM fan. He has the right to appeal and apparently will. I hope he is able to change the tide, present his own evidence etc. since we do not know all the charges in this case.

                      Until then, I can not stand with GM. Even though 90% of my IRL friends and colleagues are.
                      Come to the dark side, we have cookies

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                      • For all those saying someone can’t remember what happened 50 years ago - 50 years ago I was 4 years old. (So now you know my current age) I clearly remember my graduation from nursery school. My teachers calling each of us up by name and presenting us with our diploma. My best friend had poison ivy all over her face and cried most of the time because it was so bad.

                        Apparently that experience was traumatic (or some other form of mentally stimulating) enough for me to remember it clearly and it did not involve any form of abuse, sexual or otherwise. I have no problem believing that people can remember events that were traumatic from many years ago.

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                        • Rest assured, not every big name Olympic level rider likes or respects George Morris. He's really honestly not that popular of a guy and never has been. And being defended, frankly, by several people who are also disliked and panned among top professional riders. Oh, and hunter trainers.
                          Let me apologize in advance.

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                          • Originally posted by msrobin View Post

                            This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

                            But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.
                            I'm not going to castigate you for your post. Instead, what it tells me is that you are one of 'lucky ones' that haven't experienced sexual abuse as a child. If you had, you would understand the turmoil it can create, that telling someone about it is complicated and not just a matter of saying words, that not reporting it immediately isn't a sign that you are over it.

                            Be thankful that you don't understand these things and can't empathize. There are FAR too many people who can.


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                            • Fifty years ago, almost to the day, my mom and brother and I were driving to an event at the L.A. Zoo called Zoobilee. Traffic was a bit bad even then so my mom opted to get off the freeway and cut over to the valley via one of the canyon roads. She jokingly commented that she hoped we wouldn’t get murdered like those other nice people did last week.

                              I had had heard about the Tate murders but hadn’t quite figured out the geography at that point.
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                              • Originally posted by msrobin View Post

                                This is exactly what I was thinking myself. I am shocked over all of it. When husband came running in to tell me what he had read in the news on Bing! I thought he was most definitely misreading something.

                                But come on, 50 years ago! Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast most the time. Nonetheless anyone be able to prove anything that happened that long ago. So why wait? That is what makes an accusation like this seem ridiculous. If the person was abused like they say they were then why didn't they say something then? My thoughts is because it would have caused them to lose out on whatever it was they were seeking. For them it simply wasn't the right time to take someone down; but waiting 50 years is? Myself and many others consider this a form or bullying and slander. To come out 50 years later and accuse someone of something that they can't possibly be able to prove. Something that could ruin someone's life or cause them to kill themselves (as we have seen already) it simply nuts. I despise child abuse just as much as the next person and want to see anyone guilty of it dealt with in court. However, reporting it must be done as quickly as possible. If you are abused speak up now, don't wait tell someone, anyone. On top of that, safesport's no statute of limitations thing is just wrong on so many levels.

                                This is a great article regarding the reactions to GM being listed on Safesport
                                https://horse-canada.com/due-south/s...safesport-ban/

                                And a Facebook group mentioned in the article that was recently started called "I STAND WITH GEORGE"
                                https://www.facebook.com/groups/217859772468034/
                                For anyone that wants to show your support. Right now it is filling up with a lot of top riders and other supporters.
                                I know I am in, until some real cold hard facts come up and also more recent facts within the past 10 years.


                                You may not remember what you had for breakfast, but I damn well guatantee you that you’d remember someone grabbing you and forcing your head between their legs, or someone grabbing you in a stall or tack room and groping and rubbing your private parts trying to shove a tounge down your throat. Big difference between remembering that and and a bowl of corn flakes.
                                Last edited by pds; Aug. 9, 2019, 11:29 AM.

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                                • For when you start thinking it doesn't matter, who can even remember, or if the phrase junior whore ever floats through your mind msrobin et al


                                  https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...​​​​
                                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                    For when you start thinking it doesn't matter, who can even remember, or if the phrase junior whore ever floats through your mind msrobin et al


                                    https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...​​​​
                                    Your link doesn't work.
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                                    • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                                      For when you start thinking it doesn't matter, who can even remember, or if the phrase junior whore ever floats through your mind msrobin et al
                                      Correct link is: https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...o-chef-dequipe

                                      I was molested from the age of 13 by my trainer. He was married to a beautiful wife and had two children. He was approximately two decades older than me. He began grooming me and my family when I was 11. I trusted him, and my parents trusted him. He became a trusted family friend, shared our dinner table, and eventually would be responsible for taking me home after lessons.

                                      His biggest gift to me was a small horse I named Spright. Spright was my world, which he then used against me to force me to conform to his wishes. Often he exercised his power by giving my horse to someone else to ride. To this day I can remember the hurt and sadness I felt when that would happen.

                                      One day he said, “Let’s go on a trail ride,” and at one point he pulled up and said, “Get off your horse and take down your pants.” I was a very small girl and had a history of rheumatic fever, but with horses in my life I was growing strong and healthy. I don’t think I weighed more than 65 pounds.

                                      He couldn’t penetrate me, so he told me to get back on my horse. I did exactly what he told me to do. This included not telling anyone what had just happened. He proceeded to keep doing that until he was successful. That was my experience with sex for the first time. He continued to rape me for six more years.
                                      People don’t understand the huge psychological effect that sexual abuse has on you. It’s like being a hostage. He abused his power, and mentally I was his puppet. No matter how many times I personally tried to move on, it was not possible. For me it was the isolation, the embarrassment, the shame. I couldn’t tell my mother. The shame and guilt of feeling that I alone had caused this horrific time in my life was overwhelming. I loved my mother so much that as an adult I still could not tell her. I know she would then have felt the same guilt and shame herself. At 13 I stopped really talking to my parents. I withdrew and became incredibly and painfully shy. I went from a happy young girl with friends who loved school, to hating school, having no friends, and not talking to my family. It was horrible.

                                      It wasn’t until I was 45, after three failed marriages, that I was able to get the right help to be able to verbalize what took place, come to grips with it, and deal with it.
                                      So often these are really powerful men, and I think we need to be conscious of that. Even if I had managed to come forward at 13, 14 or 15, I know I certainly would have been pushed out of the sport.
                                      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                      • Wow. Now that’s a clear and concise statement by a really well known well connected, respected horsewoman, she was my idol when she rode a Jumper called Fleet Apple in the 70s. Telling her story took guts but bet she felt relief going public with it this past spring before the GM story broke...wonder if she figured it was going to happen in the wake of the RG situation and JW scandle and felt it was time to publically share it to support he fellow victims brave enough to come forward.

                                        Glad she did.
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                                        • Thank you poltroon

                                          If people are so lucky as to be unable to empathize, perhaps they can learn to sympathize.
                                          Let me apologize in advance.

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