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    I remember reading on here several weeks ago about a term used to describe riding instructors/trainers that never progress their students. Like they are stuck at the same level for years without ever moving up. I think it was brought up in a discussion about people that rely on lesson horses and don't have their own horse and being stuck at 2'6 forever.
    I know it's stupid but now it's really bothering me that I can't remember.

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    Plateau?

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      No not that. It's the intent to keep students at a certain level either for money or selfishness.

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        Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
        I remember reading on here several weeks ago about a term used to describe riding instructors/trainers that never progress their students. Like they are stuck at the same level for years without ever moving up. I think it was brought up in a discussion about people that rely on lesson horses and don't have their own horse and being stuck at 2'6 forever.
        I know it's stupid but now it's really bothering me that I can't remember.
        You want to remember a term that describes "instructors/trainers that never progress their students"?
        Why?

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          That's neither here nor there. I just forgot the term and it's bothering me. So after using the search function and not finding it, I'm asking. Thanks.

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            Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
            No not that. It's the intent to keep students at a certain level either for money or selfishness.
            Never mind. I remember that you started a thread and then deleted your angry posts,when the advice given was not what you wanted to hear (though some were quoted and can be seen).

            There are plenty of reasons that instructors don't allow their students to advance. Safety being the first.

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              How is that even relevant? If you don't know that answer to what I'm talking about then don't respond. This literally 100% has nothing to do with anything and if you could stop trying to make it into something its not that'd be great.

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                Hmmmmmm

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                  Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
                  How is that even relevant? If you don't know that answer to what I'm talking about then don't respond. This literally 100% has nothing to do with anything and if you could stop trying to make it into something its not that'd be great.
                  https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...trolling-speed

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                    Not relevant at all. Please move along as you only seem to want to start drama for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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                      Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
                      Not relevant at all. Please move along as you only seem to want to start drama for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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                        Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
                        No not that. It's the intent to keep students at a certain level either for money or selfishness.
                        I have been around the block more times than I would like to admit and I have never heard of this as a thing or heard of a term for it.

                        Where did you hear this term? That might help people get you the answer you want.

                        Curious, how does keeping them at a certain level make them more money? How is it selfish?
                        I see far more trainers who push kids faster than they should so they can move up a division, to make more money and be able to boast that they have kids doing XYZ division.

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                          I think I heard it on this forum or on HGS. It's probably not a well known term which is why I never heard of it before. However this does come up on several threads here about how to choose a barn or riding instructor. A red flag being that riders are doing the same level year after year without progress. Anyways, there's nothing to this thread I was just trying to remember a term that obviously doesn't exist. I remember you from HGS, you were one of my favorites from several years ago.

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                            Originally posted by Equestrianette View Post
                            I think I heard it on this forum or on HGS. It's probably not a well known term which is why I never heard of it before. However this does come up on several threads here about how to choose a barn or riding instructor. A red flag being that riders are doing the same level year after year without progress. Anyways, there's nothing to this thread I was just trying to remember a term that obviously doesn't exist.
                            I think people are saying, when it comes up in another thread, that staying at the same level year after year is because the trainer is not capable of helping people move forward, not so much that they are keeping them there on purpose. That they do not have enough tools in their tool box to actually teach them to advance.

                            If you figure out the term, come back and let us know.

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                              There are several riding schools in my area that might fit this description; but the reason is simple: they are managing their school horse's long term soundness, so nobody on a schoolie, leased or otherwise, competes above 2'6". If you want to do more, you probably are looking at buying your own horse or moving to a barn that competes at a higher level.

                              There is nothing wrong with a trainer/barn/riding school deciding their niche is local shows up to 2'6". It can be a smart business decision, because the market is broader and you avoid all the overnight travel.

                              There is also nothing wrong with an instructor knowing their limitations and feeling that is the level they are most qualified to teach.

                              What *might* be a legit complaint is one of these businesses trying to hang on to a student who wants to do more rather than referring them to someone else who competes at a higher level, but then you have to ask: are they really trying to hold on to the client in an unethical manner, or do they have legitimate concerns about the student's level or experience and safety? Might be an eye of the beholder situation.
                              The plural of anecdote is not data.

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                                Too bad there is no urban dictionary for equestrians. Honestly I’ve read so many threads, articles, Facebook posts, etc I will probably never figure it out! Not knowing a word is a pet peeve of mine. Carry on!

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                                  I don't think this is unique to riding so you may find it mentioned other places

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                                    I actually had a trainer that I loved do this to me. It was very subtle, but she made me feel incredibly selfish and guilty for thinking about moving my horse up to 3'6". We were completely prepared (due to her training) but I think she knew she would probably end up losing me as a client and I was her big deal client, so she basically said my beloved horse would break down faster at 3'6". In hindsight-there was no evidence this would happen. She was a hardy TB, very sound and lovely and we certainly did not campaign like folks do these days. Oh well, doesn't matter now but these things do happen and I'm sure there is a word for it.

                                    As a totally irrelevant aside- I'm learning all kinds of new words that perfectly describe certain specific situations-like "plot armor(thanks GoT), fridging(loss of a character ((usually female)) to motivate a main character((usually male)), and gatekeeping. Maybe OP should just make up the word and I can add it to my growing list!!
                                    Last edited by Victorious; May. 14, 2019, 12:12 PM. Reason: wrong word!

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                                      Ya I do not think there is one word that specifically describes this AND is unique to equestrian trainers.

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                                        I love the term "evergreen" for that horse we all know that still acts like a three year old into their third decade.

                                        I've also heard "re-green" or "recycled green" for a horse that came out at green but didn't actually break their green and comes out again the next year.

                                        The definition of an amateur is often described as the three Fs: Forty, fat and fearful.

                                        Then there's "shamateur" for professionals competing as amateurs.

                                        I know of a very talented local pro who says he only knows how to do one thing - 8 spots and 2 changes at 3'. But he's built a career on that, so who's to criticize?

                                        But I don't think I've ever heard a term for a limited in scope professional.
                                        The plural of anecdote is not data.

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