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  • #21
    I pulled a 17.2 MONSTER in an IHSA show one time(for BOTH rounds!) I got a 20 minute lecture/threat about leaving out strides. That was enough to scare me into not doing it. I have however left out strides on my 15.3 tb...hmmm...
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    • #22
      Only in the jump off :-) On purpose of course, never on accident.
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      • #23
        In rated hunters? Never. At schooling shows? Often- but that is because they don't move the lines out when the jumps get up to 3'. Many of our local shows seem to set the lines on a 10.5'-11' stride which reeks havoc on the higher divisions. At those show we have to do lots of complaining to get them to move them out. Its frustrating because the goal of the higher divisions should be to help prepare horses/riders for the rated divisions which are set on much longer strides. Okay done with my tangent.

        In jumpers? I will occasionally take out strides in bending lines or a longer straight line (like putting in 7 instead of 8) but never on a shorter line. Leaving it up to chance/hoping you get lucky is not good horsemanship and is certainly not something you want to teach students. And honestly, good turns will save you more time than blazing around leaving out strides.

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        • #24
          I have a barely 16hh TB cross that if I am not careful will open up to 15' strides and do a five in a PERFECT four. I'm not kidding, if you're not counting you would never know, it rode so well. On the other hand I can get him to add like crazy when I want him to too!

          Right before I got him he was about 15.2-3 and a trainer tried him. She insisted on running him down the line because he was "small". He came back a basket case!! I usually let him do his job as he gets me to the fences and down the lines better then most would and rarely if ever actually leave long

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          • #25
            Originally posted by findeight View Post
            Please tell me you are not with this trainer anymore???? That Hunter course was sooo smooth the judge scored you a 55 and galloping like he*l and leaving one out on every line in jumpers is also called "How to hook a leg on back rails and go rotational or crash thru the B elements of combinations.

            Ha ha indeed. Once you've seen a horse struggling on a broken limb after so doing and a rider airlifted out? Sort of turns your stomach to hear trainers extorting rider to leave anything out.

            Of course that's just me. That type result may not bother others.
            Another person who agrees with this...and one reason that I hate the puddle jumpers. Too many people running like a bat out of hell and scaring the crap out of all watching. And you know what, they never move up either.....hmmmmm, now we know why!!

            I've only ever been allowed to leave strides out deliberatley when they were planned. Usually in a jump off, and in a bending line that we rode more directly instead of bending out more for the add. Or if it was a particuarly tight straigh line, then we might take the last stride out, but that is rare and never in a combination.

            On my old jumper mare who was 15-3 with a huge stride, I once started to take strides out in a 1.10 class (it was a speed class so 20% of the fences were actually set at 1.15 as per CEF rules) so were getting pretty big. Was I in trouble after that one! (mare was getting strong, and I did nothing) My trainer kept me at the in-gate and ranted for a good 5mins about the dangers of what I'd just done to me and my horse....yep THAT was a lesson I never forgot!!! I knew I was in trouble too, but the in and out gate was the same gate so there was no escaping!!
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            • #26
              Originally posted by hntrjmprpro45 View Post
              In rated hunters? Never. At schooling shows? Often- but that is because they don't move the lines out when the jumps get up to 3'. Many of our local shows seem to set the lines on a 10.5'-11' stride which reeks havoc on the higher divisions....And honestly, good turns will save you more time than blazing around leaving out strides.
              Aw, come on. Moving them out means losing the hole you jump up out of and the one you land in from the fences not moving for 3 years. Can't have that.

              And saving time with turns??? That requires the rider be able to steer, the horse be broke enough to steer and the trainer teaching the horse and rider to steer. That would require knowledge, experience and the ability to place the student where they are best able to perform well and take the time to prepare them properly. Can't have that either.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                Aw, come on. Moving them out means losing the hole you jump up out of and the one you land in from the fences not moving for 3 years. Can't have that.

                And saving time with turns??? That requires the rider be able to steer, the horse be broke enough to steer and the trainer teaching the horse and rider to steer. That would require knowledge, experience and the ability to place the student where they are best able to perform well and take the time to prepare them properly. Can't have that either.
                Haha, yes those backyard jumper trainers are a breed of their own....To quote my favorite (or maybe I should say most "entertaining") trainer to watch at shows..."PULL AND SPUR!!". This is what she yells at all of her kids in the jumper arena- its fantastic advice when you really think about it. The "pull" I believe is referring to the need to "gently guide" one's horse around the course, executing balanced, proper turns. And the "Spur" comment is to remind the rider to keep the horse forward, in front of the leg, soft on the aids. I think that may be my next bumper sticker.

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                • #28
                  I believe that should be "Spur and Pull". Pull and spur actually allows the horse to go forward in response to the spur-only by spurring and then pulling can you maintain the total incompetence of a bad...but fast...round and make your "trainer person" proud.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                  • #29
                    I've done it before but I make sure strides are consistant throughout the whole course. Sometime what line is meant for one hunter is not meant for the next.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by findeight View Post
                      I believe that should be "Spur and Pull". Pull and spur actually allows the horse to go forward in response to the spur-only by spurring and then pulling can you maintain the total incompetence of a bad...but fast...round and make your "trainer person" proud.
                      And then there's the, ginormous bit, spurs, and pull technique!!
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by findeight View Post
                        I believe that should be "Spur and Pull". Pull and spur actually allows the horse to go forward in response to the spur-only by spurring and then pulling can you maintain the total incompetence of a bad...but fast...round and make your "trainer person" proud.
                        Hmm maybe she's dyslexic, I'll have to mention that to her next time I see her. I have heard her vary her remarks to "whip and spur" but this is usually in reference to a lazy hunter.

                        I do think she is on to something with the three word training slogans.... Think of all of the possibilties...
                        "Crank and run"
                        "Gallop and pray" (for those who like to leave out a lot of strides)
                        "Stand and kick" (that one is for the equitation round)

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                        • #32
                          Don't forget "duck and lean".
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          • #33
                            My last junior year I showed a 17.3 beast of a WB with a natural 14ft. stride. We would (accidently) leave strides out in the 3'6 without even opening his stride up. To actually fit the distances I had to really collect him and he was a big, strong horse. It didn't always happen
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                              #34
                              Lol, loving the stories! Yes, I too get lectured for leaving out strides (And I deserve it!) Don't worry though guys, I KNOW how dangerous it is to leave out strides and DO NOT do it on purpose. I am working on it.

                              The most embarassing part is that my horse can go from 9' to 15' (or visa versa) in a single stride, so he is plenty adjustable to shorten and collect to NOT takeout.

                              My last horse (although huge) had a 10' stride naturally. My new 16'1" guy is so fun! He walks the line, even taking out. He's so athletic, he's not very scopey, but he always jumps clear, from the "Oh sh!t!" distances, and the chips.

                              Now I just need to improve myself so my poor horsie doesn't have to babysit me
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                              • #35
                                Yeah... going from a 15.2 (15.3 on a very tall day) shortish-strided horse to a 17h loooong strided fellow. Wouldn't have even known it had happened if it weren't for the count. I was so used to basically having to gallop the lines with the smaller guy that I pushed the tall guy more than he needed. It was super smooth, but I was counting and was MORTIFIED!

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                                • #36
                                  Years ago I had a wonderful horse off the track. 16 hands, big scopey jump, huge step, very brave, and would pull like a train.

                                  If you found a foward spot you would land already too deep in the line to get the right number without really sitting up. Since he jumped so round and landed hauling on you, sometimes it just wasn't meant to be! Luckily, his step was so big and he moved so easily, we could get away with it-he just didn't seem to be going that fast.

                                  He was a major blast-like riding the space shuttle.

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                                  • #37
                                    Oh yes.. I dont know that I have, but one of my customers leases my old amateur horse and left out a stride in one line in each of her younger childrens classes last week at a big A show in IL. I was horrified the 2nd time, but the first time it was going away from me and I looked at my working student and said "was that really just a 5 in a 6?" lol. He isnt huge (16.2 1/2 or so) but has a ridiculously large stride and is one of those that you have to take around SO SO slow.. she can have a bit of a long eye when she gets super nervous and galloped up to the ins of those lines and I dont think it occurred to her she was going to get down the line so fast.

                                    That horse has been just about everywhere and seen just about everything.. he knows he's going too fast, but i think he enjoys it too much to be slow on his own accord.. even at 15.
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                                    • #38
                                      Back when I was showing a lot. ( in the late 70's early 80's) premarrage pre children pre attmpting to figure out how to fit riding/horses/ et al into budget after bills paid.. Before they had 'counted lines' in hunters, eq etc. And we rode off our eyes to get the best spot for our own horse the rule of thumb that I was taught was 'when in doubt leave it out'. My itty bitty qh mare when she was in 'a mood' could easily get one very long stride into a regular 2 in and out and make it look like her normal stride. Other times I was lucky to get out of the in n out with less than 5 strides.. hey chestnut mare not a lot I could do about her moods...

                                      If leaving a stride out allows you to hit the spot correctly and not bury or launch over hte jump then I personally at any level se no problems with leaving a stride out.
                                      when reading questions like this one I often think perhaps it is time to go back to the time when all the course diagram had waas the arrow pointing in the correct direction to start( most of the time but not always), lines on the paper with numbers next to them and where the in/out gate is...
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                                      • #39
                                        I've left out strides on a 13.1hh pony in the pony hunters (local) and I've seen her leave out two in the jumpers and in the hunters with my sister. She's got a HUGE stride- her regular stride is doing the horse stride, and sometimes if she's really going she leaves out a horse stride- I've seen her do a 4 in a 6 for ponies, 5 for horses line. And I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't been counting!
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by bumknees View Post
                                          ...I often think perhaps it is time to go back to the time when all the course diagram had waas the arrow pointing in the correct direction to start( most of the time but not always), lines on the paper with numbers next to them and where the in/out gate is...
                                          And you and your trainer and friends stood by the ring studying all the rounds to see how the lines were riding and it meant something when you had to go first.

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