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  • Waiving Coats for Hunters at USEF Shows

    It is currently a rule that when coats are waived due to temperature at USEF shows for hunters that a traditional riding shirt with collar must be worn. For various reasons I feel this is a bad call. Currently, jumper riders are permitted to wear solid color polos.
    Many of our riders at the shows are young women. Many of them are uncomfortable wearing a thin sweat soaked cotton shirt that often makes them feel that they are an entrant in a wet T shirt contest. Hence they choose to wear a coat. Wearing a polo shirt would take that aspect of discomfort away.
    Men do not wear tie tacks or bars in this day and age. We watch as their ties flap in the breeze. The men look like an unmade bed.
    I would like to start a petition that when coats are waived, solid color polo shirts may be worn.
    Comments?
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    You could start with a comparison to the Eventing and Dressage rules for "attire when coats are waived".

    Eventers might be considered "too informal" for Hunters, but Dressage is usually considered MORE formal than Hunters.
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    • #3
      I'm afraid I would feel too dressed down in a polo shirt in a hunter class, although I would feel fine in a collared, button-up dress shirt as opposed to a traditional ratcatcher with choker. I would love for a dress shirt to be an option when jackets are excused.
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      • #4
        Show management can and has occaisionally waived that rule to allow a polo in the Hunters. They can deal with adverse conditions as needed, especially in the interest of keeping people safe.

        I was at a AA some years ago where managment went so far as to ban the jackets when 2 kids whose trainers insisted on the jackets passed out. One in the ring falling off the horse on the closing courtesy circle and one collapsed at the in gate. And, no, no drama or exaggerating, it really happened. They actually allowed polos in Eq as well, although only a few did that....but there were no jackets. Big show too.

        Honestly, all for tradition and stuff but some of our traditions actually steer newbies someplace they don't have to dress for a frosty morning chasing hounds when circling a nearly deserted sand ring at 98f actual with heat index at 115 as it was for 3 days of that show I mentioned. We should look at that.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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        • #5
          I've also been to a show where polos were permitted and coats were banned. Ummm, me being all about comfort (or as comfortable as I could be) wore a polo. Won the classic in it as well. I probably got bonus points for not being an idiot in 103 degree weather. Well, being less of an idiot. I was there, so some idiocy was in play.
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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          • #6
            I have also seen polo's allowed a few times so now I always bring a nice one with me, just in case

            Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
            It is currently a rule that when coats are waived due to temperature at USEF shows for hunters that a traditional riding shirt with collar must be worn. For various reasons I feel this is a bad call. Currently, jumper riders are permitted to wear solid color polos.
            Many of our riders at the shows are young women. Many of them are uncomfortable wearing a thin sweat soaked cotton shirt that often makes them feel that they are an entrant in a wet T shirt contest. Hence they choose to wear a coat. Wearing a polo shirt would take that aspect of discomfort away.
            Men do not wear tie tacks or bars in this day and age. We watch as their ties flap in the breeze. The men look like an unmade bed.
            I would like to start a petition that when coats are waived, solid color polo shirts may be worn.
            Comments?
            Regarding the bolded part, since the skin tight light colored britches don't bother them, maybe they should invest in a good bra for riding
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              #7
              I can assure you that those shows were not in compliance with USEF rules. Lets change the rule if you like this idea.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                I have also seen polo's allowed a few times so now I always bring a nice one with me, just in case



                Regarding the bolded part, since the skin tight light colored britches don't bother them, maybe they should invest in a good bra for riding
                Many breeches are not skin tight, especially for showing. They're also usually made of heavier material than your normal schooling breeches and I don't think I've ever seen someone at a show that looked indecent in them. However, I know that MOST of my shirts, when they get wet, are VERY see through. I do wear a good bra, but being that the shirt I'm wearing is now see through, I really don't want to feel as if I'm walking around in only that.
                I think it's a great idea! I'm not sure exactly how popular it would be though...us Hunter riders seem to like to stick to tradition.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                  I can assure you that those shows were not in compliance with USEF rules. Lets change the rule if you like this idea.
                  Well, USEF stewards were consulted, the head office was well aware. Actually one show was at KHP right at the head office-the Pres was ringside for a bit. It was no secret, they knew, they actually saw it. No different then allowing raincoats, waiving the no boots on Hunters to allow bell boots in deep slop or even parkas at winter shows in unheated arenas. All of which I have seen-and done.

                  But you are right there should be some specific language outlining what conditions qualify and what may be waived and what can replace it.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by findeight View Post

                    Honestly, all for tradition and stuff but some of our traditions actually steer newbies someplace they don't have to dress for a frosty morning chasing hounds when circling a nearly deserted sand ring at 98f actual with heat index at 115 as it was for 3 days of that show I mentioned. We should look at that.
                    Trying doing the sidesaddle division in the sweltering heat.
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                    • #11
                      I was at a local show this past weekend and coats were waived on Saturday and polo's were encouraged in the hunter ring. . I wore a Dri Fit white polo and even that was soaked by the time I had warmed up and jumped 1 trip. I think the temp. was up around 94 with high humidity.

                      I could not have imagined putting on a wool jacket and long sleeves. I did wear my jacket and ratcatcher on Sunday when it was slightly cooler but the whole day I was wishing for my polo!

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                      • #12
                        I would 1000% support this. I'm sure many of those riders at OD this past week were young women whose shirts underneath their coats were already soaked, and didn't want to ride around in a sweat stained/soaked shirt. I think there is a difference here between riding in skin tight breeches vs. a shirt that is sticking to 'the two girls' because it's just so incredibly hot out. (And kudos to the OD staff for providing the water/popsicles, etc!) I would happily toss in a few extra polo shirts on the hot days in case the coats were waived, and I'd feel great walking into the ring at an AA show in my nice polo shirt, because I can actually think straight and see in front of me without the sweat dripping down my face because my body is much cooler.

                        I'd love to see riders embrace this. We need to escape what 'should' be worn just to produce the classic picture, and wear what keeps us comfortable and cool, for our own health, as well as the health of our horses. Everybody wins.
                        Then we could start a thread on what color polo looks best with various horse colors!

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                        • #13
                          Many breeches are not skin tight, especially for showing. They're also usually made of heavier material than your normal schooling breeches and I don't think I've ever seen someone at a show that looked indecent in them. However, I know that MOST of my shirts, when they get wet, are VERY see through.
                          They do make show shirts out of a somewhat heavier cotton fabric that does not become see through when wet. Nor do most of the darker shirts - anything that isn't pale pastel. Neither of these choices is terribly hotter than a white cotton shirt - so it's not like your ONLY option is to wear a shirt that shows your bra.

                          Something like this or this does not become see through when wet. Something darker than that won't either. And I've seen some truly inappropriate breeches in the past, FWIW.

                          I just can't imagine feeling that a high collared, long sleeve show shirt is somehow less modest than a polo unless one really failed at wearing appropriate undergarments.

                          I do think we should waive choker collars in the heat, though. For me, it's really not any cooler to wear a polo than to wear a show shirt, but I wouldn't mind the option of wearing the collar unbuttoned. I did exactly that at one 95 degree schooling show, and somehow, nobody died and I didn't get eliminated.
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                          • #14
                            I don't really understand the see-through shirt problem, all of my show shirts get darker where they are wet or sweat-stained, perhaps it is because of my choice of colors or fabrics? And if the outline of "the girls" and my sportsbra can be seen through my sweaty sticky shirt, then it's really no different than when I'm jogging and get hot and sweaty; I may look unappealing but it's hardly inappropriately revealing.

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                              #15
                              Thanks chickens :-) I have also heard from photographers that people will purchase a photo in a polo, wet riding shirt? Not so much.
                              Really we are talking about July and August in most locales. We are not trying to change tradition, just improving the look and keeping people healthy and comfortable.
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                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Originally posted by 2bayboys View Post
                                I don't really understand the see-through shirt problem, all of my show shirts get darker where they are wet or sweat-stained, perhaps it is because of my choice of colors or fabrics? And if the outline of "the girls" and my sportsbra can be seen through my sweaty sticky shirt, then it's really no different than when I'm jogging and get hot and sweaty; I may look unappealing but it's hardly inappropriately revealing.
                                When you are out jogging there is not an audience of hundreds with their eyes on you and a photographer taking photos. Not a good comparison.
                                I would venture that all who have voiced an opinion about not caring about how they look are not 15 year old girls. I had mothers whining that their daughters refused to ride without a coat due to modesty. ( Yeah, I know they walk around in sport bras with belly button rongs...yeah, yeah, yeah,...) I want to keep them healthy and hydrated.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                                  It is currently a rule that when coats are waived due to temperature at USEF shows for hunters that a traditional riding shirt with collar must be worn. For various reasons I feel this is a bad call. Currently, jumper riders are permitted to wear solid color polos.
                                  Many of our riders at the shows are young women. Many of them are uncomfortable wearing a thin sweat soaked cotton shirt that often makes them feel that they are an entrant in a wet T shirt contest. Hence they choose to wear a coat. Wearing a polo shirt would take that aspect of discomfort away.

                                  Yeah, like all those young women wandering around these days with their boobs hanging out are worried about being a wet T shirt contest.

                                  Men do not wear tie tacks or bars in this day and age. We watch as their ties flap in the breeze. The men look like an unmade bed.

                                  I've seen that exactly once. And it was on an AA rider that didn't know any better.

                                  I would like to start a petition that when coats are waived, solid color polo shirts may be worn.
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                                  I wouldn't support polo shirts in the hunters. Shoot, I wear my coat in the ring even if coats are waived. It's a matter of tradition and respect for the sport, for me. I can suffer for the two minutes it takes to get around the course.

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                                  • #18
                                    I personally would really prefer waiving chokers and at most allowing people to roll up their sleeves. I'd rather purchase a picture with that look than a polo.

                                    When you are out jogging there is not an audience of hundreds with their eyes on you and a photographer taking photos. Not a good comparison.
                                    Very few horse shows have an "audience of hundreds."

                                    I would venture that all who have voiced an opinion about not caring about how they look are not 15 year old girls. I had mothers whining that their daughters refused to ride without a coat due to modesty. ( Yeah, I know they walk around in sport bras with belly button rongs...yeah, yeah, yeah,...) I want to keep them healthy and hydrated.
                                    I do not feel that the horse show industry should be bending around the fashion opinions of 15 year old girls.

                                    I also really fail to understand how a polo shirt is more modest than a show shirt. That doesn't make any sense unless you're wearing the skimpiest, thinnest show shirt ever.
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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      Okay, then I won't bother. You all like it just the way it is.
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                                      • #20
                                        Did you only want people to agree with you?
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