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#metoo and Jimmy Williams

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    Maybe some of the attorneys can chime in on this.

    A long time ago I had a business law class, and at that time we were told the dead have no legal rights, and therefore, you can't be sued for defamation, etc. I don't know if that's still true legally, or if I misunderstood what they told us. I don't know if there is another way to hit back against someone who didn't file charges when the person was alive.
    Last edited by JanM; Apr. 12, 2018, 07:48 PM.
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      COTH's Untacked did a big article about Flintridge barely a year ago, it makes me wonder about the guys like Hap Hansen, Mason Phelps and Robert Ridland, who all rode there with JW and if they were aware of what was going on, and if so, will they speak up now?

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        Originally posted by Bobby7 View Post

        Can you PM me as well please.
        Me as well, please.

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          Originally posted by 2bayboys View Post
          It's very sad to see some of the comments on the COTH Facebook page in relation to this article. Attacking the victims. And people wonder why women and girls still don't come forward with their stories of abuse.
          Having lived through this myself, I have zero interest in being the whistle blower. I would be ostracized in a tight knit community. I know he did it to multiple girls in the 80s and 90s. And even today I won't be the one to come forward. We've come a long way, but not that long.
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            I was at Flintridge for a long time, and I cannot connect these initials. Who, please is IIRC?

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              I don't blame victims for not coming forward. Sadly, our overwhelmingly female-dominated sport will always rally behind its men first. I do blame the adult women who choose to turn a blind eye when their beloved trainer "dates" a teenager or a vulnerable young woman. Adults need to care more about calling creeps out than being popular in their local horse community, care more about doing what's right than how many likes they get on Facebook.

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                Originally posted by Moli View Post
                I was at Flintridge for a long time, and I cannot connect these initials. Who, please is IIRC?
                IIRC - If I Recall Correctly
                Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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                  I showed through the late 80's and early 90's. was lucky to never had experienced anything that many did. As the mother of young children I ask that anyone that knows of potential abusers to please report them. https://cm.maxient.com/reportingform...rt&layout_id=0

                  It is our responsibility to both give our children the freedom that we had as kids, to spend time at the barn without total structure, and to play without 100% supervision. This teaches them critical skills and decision making ability that they will need as they grow up and makes them independent thinkers.

                  But it is our responsibility to protect them. If a sex offender moved into your neighborhood you would not be happy so why allow them to stable in the tent next to you?

                  Please do the right thing. Use the link above or https://www.usef.org/compete/resourc...ons/safe-sport

                  Thank you for our kids.

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                    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                    Yes they did.

                    if you read through the Facebook thread there's a...person who discounts the victims because Anne Kursinski is a meanie. My guess is it's this same person here.
                    Judy Richter's response in the Facebook comments is

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                      ladyj79 One of the discounters is part of a horse transportation business east of Los Angeles. I get more of a trainer, possibly east coast vibe, from the poster who strongly discounted the victims in this thread. But I've been wrong before.

                      Originally posted by Raymundo View Post

                      Judy Richter's response in the Facebook comments is
                      Agreed. I had the same reaction, but noticed that a Flintridge rider from the same era as the women quoted in the article quickly responded to say that JR was not correct in her assumption.
                      The Evil Chem Prof

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                        Originally posted by Raymundo View Post

                        Judy Richter's response in the Facebook comments is
                        Yeah it's awesome when it's 2018 and "they wanted it" is tossed out as a legitimate excuse for pedophilia and the rape of children.

                        Seriously, some people are flocking awful.
                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                          So does this mean George H. Morris is going to publicly retract his praise for Jimmy Williams throughout the years? (See chron article on GHM memories of inductions to the show jumping hall of fame http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...ping-hall-fame ) He has no problems criticizing young female riders for their weight or for stupid inconsequential things their saddle pad color. He has had no qualms about berating the horse community about how much better things were in the olde days. Did he suddenly grow mute?

                          People like GHM who were powerful at the time of these abuses -and who are still powerful- owe a public account of why nothing was done and should acknowledge the bravery of the women who told their stories.

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                            Originally posted by RedHorses View Post
                            Has anyone here made a report/complaint to Safe Sport about a coach they know should be avoided?
                            I believe people will step up and say what has happened to them. Safe Sport is here for that reason. Please don't let this horror continue to be perpetrated on vulnerable girls or boys. Please speak up.

                            I admire you for speaking out, you brave COTH members. You are brilliant and the example you set leads the way to the solution of this problem . I feel like standing on a desk and saying "Oh Captain my Captain" to you.

                            Hopefully no one will get away with this horrendous behavior anymore. If one person or child can come forward there is a chance to stop the behavior of one abuser who can hurt so many people.

                            This intimidation, coercion, and violence, is so terribly destructive, so inexcusable... we really must to do everything we can to stop it.

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                              Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                              Also, thank you fair judy for reminding me of the story of Fair Lady and Judy by CW Anderson, every time I see a post from you. As smart as horsemen are about abused horses, it's surprising how little they recognize would be the same for abused riders.
                              My Junior horse was from the Love family's breeding program at their Airy Hall Plantation. . Russel Stewart was their pro, and that mare was named after their own daughter, Judy. There was a full sister to my mare named for another daughter, Flying Diane.

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                                Originally posted by Nickelodian View Post

                                Having lived through this myself, I have zero interest in being the whistle blower. I would be ostracized in a tight knit community. I know he did it to multiple girls in the 80s and 90s. And even today I won't be the one to come forward. We've come a long way, but not that long.
                                im no longer in the business and we each have our own decision to make but I will tell you that I feel no conflict over revealing my abuser. If this person is still living please call the Safe Sport line. This is the only way we can stop the epidemic ......

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                                  This is the kind of person Phelps kept in his inner circle. As you can see, Ken Kraus was convicted of lewd behavior with a child under 16 pled innocent, later violated his probation. PHELPS KNEW. https://horseauthority.co/state-of-f...nneth-l-kraus/

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                                    Originally posted by fair judy View Post

                                    im no longer in the business and we each have our own decision to make but I will tell you that I feel no conflict over revealing my abuser. If this person is still living please call the Safe Sport line. This is the only way we can stop the epidemic ......
                                    He is not still living. So I can live with peace at that. It would be a different story if he was alive.
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                                      Originally posted by marginall View Post
                                      I don't blame victims for not coming forward. Sadly, our overwhelmingly female-dominated sport will always rally behind its men first. I do blame the adult women who choose to turn a blind eye when their beloved trainer "dates" a teenager or a vulnerable young woman. Adults need to care more about calling creeps out than being popular in their local horse community, care more about doing what's right than how many likes they get on Facebook.
                                      Meh, men are just as capable as finding it morally necessary to blow the whistle on a pedophile. And so any of those male pros who were at Flintridge at the time are "eligible" for speaking up. I don't think it's wise or just, nor productive to make the defense of victims of sexual assault the responsibility of just one gender.

                                      Let's just speak plainly about the crime so we can see what folks are choosing to defend by doing nothing.
                                      The armchair saddler
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                                        Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                                        Also, thank you fair judy for reminding me of the story of Fair Lady and Judy by CW Anderson, every time I see a post from you. As smart as horsemen are about abused horses, it's surprising how little they recognize would be the same for abused riders.
                                        I still own a copy of that book and every time I see a post by fair judy I think of the horse Fair Lady, and always wondered where the Judy came from, I had forgotten the name of the young girl in that story. Thanks for pointing this out.

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                                          Originally posted by supernatural View Post
                                          Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Whether you agree or disagree it surely is not OK to suddenly come out with Sexual Abuse charges against a dead person when you had 30 plus years where charges could have been filed.

                                          Msybe the rest of Facebook wants to crucify me for speaking out but hey. It's not right, I don't know what Jimmy Williams did or didn't do but by your actions of waiting till he was dead.. well... I'm judging my but what I see and feel to be true.
                                          Real people are posting under their real names and telling their true stories. To see you crow about your bravery and flame suit and willingness to be crucified under the name 'supernatural' is...not so brave. Judge all you want. Your contempt is irrelevant.

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