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  • Horse shopping videos - jumper prospects - tell me what you think

    I'm looking for a young jumper prospect, big (I'm 5' 10" with long legs) and scopey. I've narrowed it down to these three 6-7yos and would love to get your opinions on their movement, balance, style, and potential. They're at very different levels in their training but are priced within $5K of each other.

    My goals are to develop my horsemanship, make a horsey best friend (a "forever horse" if you will), and bring a young horse along well, with eventual (3-5 years?) aspirations of 1.20m, maybe 1.30m.

    So what are your impressions and thoughts? Who do you think moves well? Who do you see as having the most potential? Which one would you choose? Thanks for your opinion!

    Horse A: https://youtu.be/KuGXqZbTW8I
    Horse B: https://youtu.be/CwCOU-OQnYc
    Horse C: https://youtu.be/qdPBWmcgzk0


  • #2
    Well, all three look very, very green for that age range- if I had to guess I would have said 3-4 year old for A and B and maybe 5 year old for C. So, if you are in a solid program with a good trainer, that is important because you will need to put in that work to give the horse a better foundation. The first one looked very weak to me (but that can be solved), and none of them seem to know about contact, which is pretty key for a jumper. So, from these videos I'd say you will need to put in the time to learn how to do proper dressage work to get the horse working correctly over its back so the jumping can progress.

    It's hard to tell about scope from these videos, but each one looks capable- A was really unfit looking, and C didn't have a lot of suspension (or steering), but again, fitness and correct flatwork will help. The chestnut is the sportiest of the three as they are now. I think any of them, barring a physical issue, could be made up into a nice horse. C seemed the most opinionated, so your personal preferences would come into play there. All three were unbalanced (C likes to go on his forehand), but that is most likely fitness and training.
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    • #3
      I second pretty much everything four socks said. They seem very uneducated on the flat for that age. Hard to assess scope on any of them. I liked b the best attitude wise. C seemed very opinionated and I didn't like in the jumping video the person having to chase it around corners (personal bias I had one with back/ si issues who balked and bucked around corners so it looked familiar)

      Who was riding in the videos?

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      • #4
        Agree with Foursocks, also out of the 3 I personally like the chestnut the best but he looks more hunter like than a jumper.... hard to know though as none are using themselves properly from the hind end!

        Horse A is big BUT I don’t like that he’s already developing that muscle under his neck that usually shows when they constantly go inverted! He’s either been allowed to get away with it or he fights.... a lot! Plus he doesn’t even try to jump even though they are trot fences. I at least, want to see some jumping effort.

        Horse B is my fav out of the 3, he does put in some effort to jump but I see hunter not a bigger jumper!

        Horse C hard to say... rider isn’t really getting him to a lot of good spots and he’s strung out, but he does truck around and keep going!

        If they’re not expensive it’s probably worth a go see but if it’s to buy sight unseen and they aren’t priced appropriately for a horse that at those ages should be further along, I’d keep looking!
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        • #5
          Horse A also seemed to be dangling his junk unnaturally low while he was trotting. he may well have been sedated.

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          • #6
            If your budget is over $20k.... get on a plane and buy a better horse than this lot. Even if you're only experienced to 1m, you and your money can go a LOT further than this group abroad. I was never this person until I just bought my new guy, but honestly all of these horses rank "None of the Above" for me. Couldn't pay me to buy them at least for a year until you can see what they are, and by age 8 and still that green, and with a Southern Cali/Az price tag. Ugh, no.

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            • #7
              Just a reminder that height is only one factor that plays into how well you fit a horse and how well it will do for you in the jumper ring. Joe Fargis is 6' 2" and leggy with it, and he and Touch of Class did pretty well....

              I agree with what the others have said-they all look very green to me (my coming four year old flats about the same for me, and is much better with the trainer), and the first two look to me to have a lot more "whoa" than "go" which generally isn't a great thing in a jumper. Show hunter, maybe, field hunter for somebody who doesn't care for a very forward ride, fine. Jumper? Not likely to win any speed classes, for sure, although I'm sure they'd be able to get you around the course safely with training and conditioning. Third one looks more forward, and seems to have a bit more training than the other two. If I were looking for something big, I'd be most interested in trying that one, but he doesn't exactly make my heart skip a beat, either.

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              • #8
                I'd rule out A no matter what. His low hanging fruit and tail cocked to the side after some of the fences would give me pause. B looked like he needs six months of dressage. I liked C, but you'd really have to evaluate his trainability.

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                • #9
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                  • #10
                    Buy the horse with the best natural canter.

                    All these horses scream hunter to me.

                    Whats your budget? I wouldn't buy any of these with being a jumper in mind. Maybe look at some eventers in the area, many cross into nice jumpers.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                      Horse A also seemed to be dangling his junk unnaturally low while he was trotting. he may well have been sedated.
                      ^
                      I saw this too & thought "IV assist"

                      Of the 3 I liked B best, for better movement overall & at least some appearance of Try O/F.
                      Not one of them said "Jumper" to me.

                      Personally, for a 6-7yo that was still this Green O/F I'd pay no more than $5K for any one of them & you mentioned this # was the spread in prices among the three?
                      Sheesh! what market is this in???
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                      • #12
                        I agree with the other posters, none of them scream jumper and I am surprised they aren't further along. If I was choosing out of these three, I'd pick B as a hunter prospect. Looks like a solid citizen with a good attitude, just needs a little strength and work ethic!

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                        • #13
                          I wouldn't consider A at all. I liked B, although he looks more huntery and needs work on balancing. C leans heavily to the left. Considering he's where he's at in his training, it makes me think he's going to be a tough fix.

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                          • #14
                            I like horse a.

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                            • #15
                              I did not like A at all and was not a fan of C especially once canter and jumping started. B was my favorite of this bunch as a nice steady hunter who needs more flat work, but I agree with everyone else just doesn't scream jumper. He did seem the most enjoyable of the three you posted. They would all need a lot of work. Depending on price it may be worth it, but when you say within 5k of each other I'm thinking that means at least one of these is in the figures. I think you could find better... at least one with potential that is green over fences, but has good flatwork instilled.

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                              • #16
                                I wouldn't buy any of them.

                                "A" Agree with comments about dangling items, and neck. In addition, there is something odd about hind left that I can't quite put my finger on.

                                "B" might make a nice enough low level hunter, sorry, can't see this one becoming a jumper.

                                "C" appears the most likely to become some form of jumper with a little promise of athletic movement, but don't see potential to meet your goals.

                                Please tell me you have a professional that will evaluate a horse before you purchase. All three candidates seem quite behind the level of training I would expect for their age. All have yet to find balance. If forced to pick, I might consider paying 5K for "C", but you are mentioning a differential of 5K between the three prices. What figures are you being presented with? Price varies greatly by location, but none of these horses strike me as "special", and would not be expensive in my area. I would widen the search and see what else is available.

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                                • #17
                                  A - looks unfit and not striding evenly behind - whats with him being dropped half the time? that would worry me. that aside i actually really liked him - he looks very green but looks like he'd be a nice project, he's got a good way of going and seems sensible enough. i would pass on him because i think he looks neuro, with the dropped half the ride & also the tail crook.. otherwise.. he looks like he would have been a nice horse with some training.

                                  B - not as nice a mover as A, also a little funny behind too, but he looks like a good egg. he also doesnt look to have much education.. but he's sounder than A, which i like.

                                  C - while he looks like he has a little more education, i actually don't think he is any better schooled than the others. i don't like how much he is running, even though he's in a frame he is not on the bit at all. i'd rather see a horse going along on the aids over a horse presented like he's going on it bit, but isn't. i also don't like how he is moving on that RH, the hock - i noticed it at the trot but then in canter he is trailing it so far behind him. i'd pass on him. he does not look comfortable being ridden. a shame because i do think he has a nice canter and shows some decent scope.

                                  out of all of them A looks like the best quality but i wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole - even though he looks nice, the way he is moving, the being dropped most of the ride, and the tail crook all suggest some sort of neurological or spinal issue.
                                  B i think would make a nice project but is not fancy and i would not pay more than $5,000 for him, given he does not seem to have much education and is not the fanciest of movers.

                                  i would walk on C because while he looks nice and has a good canter he is not sound at all.
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                                  • #18
                                    I'm not crazy about any of them but like "B" the best. However, his natural way of going looks hunterish and he looks to be a kick ride, so may not make a jumper.

                                    I don't like the way A is muscled up. He's tight through is back and the over developed muscle under his neck makes me think that he's used to going that way. He might move a lot better if he used his back properly, but why buy a training problem? I'd rather start with one that's more of a blank slate than one that's green but started wrong.

                                    I liked C well enough on the flat, but not how he jumped. He has looks like he has a bit of an attitude that could be difficult to overcome.

                                    None of them looked particularly like they wanted to jump but they could probably all become competent.
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                                    • #19
                                      Of the the 3 I think B could quite possibly be a cute hunter with some work, did not like A or C at all and agree with the above posters, and don't think any of them look like decent jumper material. I would keep looking

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                                        #20
                                        I'm in SoCal. Believe or not, A and B are priced at $40K and C at $45K. Whatever horse I buy, which may very well be none of these, will be in full training with a pro (I already ride 3x/week at her barn).

                                        kmwines:
                                        - A: ridden by working student.
                                        - B: that's me! Pointers welcome.
                                        - C: ridden by trainer, novice student, and 14yo student in the three sections.

                                        Story on Horse A is that he was imported as a 5yo and has sat around not doing much for the past two years. He's overweight, under-muscled, and doesn't have much beyond basic w/t/c training.

                                        fordtraktor: I was there while the video was taped; I don't think he was drugged. He was normal and alert in the cross-ties before and after. It seems more like he really had to pee. He let loose immediately upon getting back in his stall.

                                        Story on Horse B is that he showed dressage in Germany prior to being imported as a 5yo and has spent about the past year learning to jump.

                                        Horse C has been in training about two years.

                                        All three are uneducated on the flat and I'm really struggling to assess scope.

                                        Regarding quality for price, I've tried two more polished horses in the same price range (Sadie - $35K, Jes - $45K)... both are built downhill, go in leveraged bits, lean on the forehead...

                                        Xctrygirl: you may be right but I feel pretty intimidated by the idea of shopping in Europe. I also don't have the time to plan a trip like that and take off a week or two to do it any time soon. How did you do it?

                                        Toblersmom: agreed on lack of speed/forwardness of A and B. Is that something that can be developed with training and getting in shape? Or are horses usually either forward or not?

                                        Jealoushe/2DogsFarm: ​​​​​​​what does say "jumper" to you? If you have some time, can you share examples of ads of greenies in your area that do say "jumper" to you?

                                        Showbizz: thanks for the note about C leaning to the left. I'm going to see him next weekend and will definitely check that out.

                                        Ladylexie: can you tell me why you like A? I'm curious...

                                        Paintedpony: Yes, I'm definitely going to get my trainer involved before anything close to purchasing. I've been doing the initial leg work myself to help save her time and plan to only ask her to visit with me if I think I've found a good match. All three are behind in training and aren't in balance but that's what available locally at $40K right now. (seriously... ) You start looking at 7yos like this and you're looking at $100K easy.

                                        I work full time and don't have the time to start searching in other states or in Europe. Would you recommend that I hire someone to help me find my horse?

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