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    Crypto Aero

    I am going to be switching my horses to this feed here very soon and I am looking for your opinions on it. I am anxious to try it - I have read the posts about this feed from 2014 and I have to say that was quite the discussion... but I am looking for opinions from people that have been feeding it recently. I looked at all the normal feeds TC, Nutrena, ADM, Progressive etc..and they all have reports about contamination...and I am just not willing to risk my horses health/life on those feeds.

    Thank you in advance

    #2
    Well, if you've already made the choice to switch, why are you seeking opinions now?

    I look at the website and I cannot find a listing for NSC, which is an important consideration in grains.

    From the photo it looks like it's mostly whole oats with some hay pellets and rose hips mixed in.

    What do you think are the specific benefits of adding peas to the mix?

    There is a good thread on this from May 2017 where someone points out that at US $40 a bag, you could make up your own whole foods mash plus add on a vitamin/mineral supplement (which you'd need anyhow as Crytpo Aero isn't fortified) for a considerable savings. No kidding. Oats and alfalfa cubes each run about CAN $10 or $12 a bag.

    If your horse has no metabolic problems, and you also feed a vitamin/mineral supplement, it's probably not going to hurt him, but it's a crazy expensive product with some real limitations.

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      #3
      I think you could feed your horses granola from the grocery store for less money and the same result--probably better, actually, because granola probably has SOME fortification.

      I don't think Triple Crown has ever had a recall due to contamination or been accused of contamination. You'd be far better off with one of their products.

      If you're dead set on something like Crypto Aero, why not just feed alfalfa pellets and oats, with a vit/mineral supplement?

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        #4
        Originally posted by ownerof2mfts

        Ok maybe opinions was a bad choice of a word, maybe I am looking for testimonials from people that feed it? I am trying to stay away from GMOs and processed feeds as much as possible - and personally i don't really trust any of the feeds that i can get around here ADM, TC, Nutrena, Purina, Progressive etc... in my OPINION they aren't concerned with our horses health, if they were then they would not mill the horse feed in the same mill as medicated cattle feed.

        You you could tell by all the ingredient that crypto has in it by a photo, wow - did you actually read the ingredient list? I bet you didn't...

        And yes you are right i could do oats ($10.99) and alfalfa/timothy pellets ($12.99) like i have been doing along with organic split peas, organic coconut flakes, and organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds all ordered from nuts.com for a total of $30.00 give or take - or i could buy Crypto that already has all that in it and save me some money - and you can get it from Chewey.com for $29.00 a bag - buy 2 bags and get free shipping and a few more dollars off if you arrange to have it automatically shipped to you.
        And that 29$ a bag is for a 25lb bag seems pretty pricey for a lacking in fortification feed. I'd feed alfalfa pellets and a vit min before i'd buy this crypto aero feed. Heck with oats the horses just poop out whole oats, totally intact so waste of money there.

        If you really want to be safe then don't feed any processed feed at all. Don't kid yourself oats could also be contaminated too...someone's got to haul them to where feed is made. Chances are the trucks hauling the oats probably also hauls other feed which includes cattle feed.

        As far as i know most on here feed known feeds that provide proper vit/min ratios. Don't think there are too many on here who feed crypto aero feed.
        Last edited by tazycat; Oct. 31, 2017, 09:59 PM. Reason: Typo errors

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          #5
          TC now has a naturals line. I feed the naturals alfalfa cubes. Of course my horses do not need "feed" but are on forage and vitamin/mineral supplements.

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            #6
            I feed oats and a very good vit/min supplement. And I don't think oats gets contaminated a lot.... Most of the contaminations which were found were in the machines which press the pellets. and Oats does not go through theses machines.... So I believe the risk for contamination is a lot lower.

            And of course there is always a risk in anything you do. You can't eliminate any risk
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              #7
              Originally posted by ownerof2mfts

              Ok maybe opinions was a bad choice of a word, maybe I am looking for testimonials from people that feed it? I am trying to stay away from GMOs and processed feeds as much as possible - and personally i don't really trust any of the feeds that i can get around here ADM, TC, Nutrena, Purina, Progressive etc... in my OPINION they aren't concerned with our horses health, if they were then they would not mill the horse feed in the same mill as medicated cattle feed.
              Most of them have ionophore free mills.

              And yes you are right i could do oats ($10.99) and alfalfa/timothy pellets ($12.99) like i have been doing along with organic split peas, organic coconut flakes, and organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds all ordered from nuts.com for a total of $30.00 give or take - or i could buy Crypto that already has all that in it and save me some money - and you can get it from Chewey.com for $29.00 a bag - buy 2 bags and get free shipping and a few more dollars off if you arrange to have it automatically shipped to you.
              50 lbs of oats: $10.99
              50 lbs of hay pellets: $12.99

              25 lbs Crypto Aero: $29.99

              100 lbs of oats/hay pellets: $22.99
              100 lbs of Crypto Areo: $119.96

              I betcha that you can easily buy the other stuff that's in CA for a few bucks, if it's really that important to you. Doubtful that there's more that a few ounces of the other stuff in each bag of feed, anyway. And also doubtful that the very small amount will make one iota of difference in a horse's diet.

              PS: no coconut flakes or pumpkin seed in Crypto Aero. Maybe you should spend more time reviewing that ingredient list?

              Ingredients:
              Whole oats, timothy hay pellets, alfalfa hay pellets, sunflower seeds, green peas, yellow peas, rice bran oil, ground flax, rose hips, green cabbage, papaya, algae, organic yeast, anise, fenugreek.

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                #8
                There are at least a few threads on this feed, easily found in the search, which will likely give you all you are looking for
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ownerof2mfts

                  Ok maybe opinions was a bad choice of a word, maybe I am looking for testimonials from people that feed it? I am trying to stay away from GMOs and processed feeds as much as possible - and personally i don't really trust any of the feeds that i can get around here ADM, TC, Nutrena, Purina, Progressive etc... in my OPINION they aren't concerned with our horses health, if they were then they would not mill the horse feed in the same mill as medicated cattle feed.
                  Purina now has ionophore-free mills, and TC is now milled in Purina mills.

                  You you could tell by all the ingredient that crypto has in it by a photo, wow - did you actually read the ingredient list? I bet you didn't...
                  It's terribly easy to see from the picture that "it's mostly whole oats with some hay pellets and rose hips mixed in."

                  Even peas are clearly visible. Split peas at that


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ownerof2mfts

                    And yes you are right i could do oats ($10.99) and alfalfa/timothy pellets ($12.99) like i have been doing along with organic split peas, organic coconut flakes, and organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds all ordered from nuts.com for a total of $30.00 give or take - or i could buy Crypto that already has all that in it and save me some money - and you can get it from Chewey.com for $29.00 a bag - buy 2 bags and get free shipping and a few more dollars off if you arrange to have it automatically shipped to you.
                    You obviously haven't done the math on this. Your not saving money buying CA. Even if you spent 40 dollars on the split peas and what not & buying your own hay pellets & oats, you still save money. You would be better off feeding a feed that is actually fortified.But you're bent on feeding the CA because you think you're saving money. When in reality you're spending more.

                    Another poster already did the break down on the math,very obvious Ca cost more per 100 lbs like 96 dollars more. I've been feeding Tc products for a little over a year never an issues with contamination. If there was and i lost current horses well i'd simply buy more horses.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ownerof2mfts
                      Now I remember why I don't like horse forums....
                      And that is probably because we didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.

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                        #12
                        ownerof2mfts. TBH, I don't trust anyone's organic feed except my own. I've had rabbits contract salmonella poisoning more than once with organic feed. My horses graze on a good pasture mix of cool season grasses, warm season grasses and legume runs. In the winter they get those same grasses in hay and they do graze oat wheat and rye in winter. They also have access to the rabbits' chicory and vetch and wild roses and mint and wild ginger and several other low oxylate fresh feeds my rabbits graze. In short, my horses (when they aren't on stall rest recovering from surgery) eat as nature intended. And that pasture contains a total of 5 WC horse's that don't get an ounce of processed feed or grain have no ulcers, aren't skittish, have great feet, no IR etc.

                        Watch a horse graze legumes. The eat the vines not the peas and will ignore the leaves if they can. Crypto Aero completely dismisses NSC as a marketing ploy by feed manufacturers which is dangerous. There are too many horses that founder on spring grass from sugar content and on dandelion during drought and too much good, solid science behind the concerns over NSC for it to be meaningless. That was their answer to someone questioning the high NCS of their food to claim that 50 years of science is dead wrong.

                        Kelp, rose hips, peas, etc. if you want to feed organic I certainly won't complain because everything from myself to my parrots, dogs, cats, horses, rabbits, chickens to my turtles eat organic foods that I produce, but I'd feed the horses strait hay mixes before I fed them something that is going to run about 28% NSC and isn't something they would spend an entire day eating given the choice like Crypto Aero. It's not enough to be organic, it has to be the right organic.

                        I know you want testimonials and not opinions but keep in mind you opened your post implying that feeds most people here give to their very much loved horses are contaminated garbage and people are going to defend their choices because it can be inferred by those remarks that we aren't providing the best for our own animals.

                        The term organic encompasses more than the way in which something is grown. I spent YEARS researching nutrient requirements in the species I raise and years observing that given a variety to choose from an individual animal will ultimately eat what it needs. My older horses will walk through a stand of orchard to get to crabgrass or Timothy. Former ulcer horses spend more time on mint and chickory and legume vines. They'll eat poison ivy off a tree then go eat the jewel weed at the creek. Some days one will be all about milk thistle or fennel.

                        The moral here is that with any pre mixed feed, find an equine nutritionist, do testing and pick the feed that most closely fits each individual horse then supplement based on testing to fit the need of the horse. Never assume that any feed is appropriate based on marketing and don't be mislead into thinking that feeds that have kept horses thriving into their 30's and 40's aren't good options because they don't fit into new feeding fads. And please don't default to the "bad horse forums" line when you don't hear what you want. People here use sound logic, good experience and great intentions when they comment on a post. And frankly, until you feed like I do, it's organic in name only.

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                          #13
                          The term "natural" when used in referring to horse feed cracks me up.

                          You know what "natural" horse feed is? Grazing for 16 hours a day. No feed in a bag is "natural"

                          Just looking at the feed tag, in order to meet your horse's trace mineral requirements at MAINTENANCE you would have to feed;
                          36 lbs/hd/d to meet Cu reqs
                          20 lbs/hd/d to meet Mn reqs
                          25 lbs/hd/d to meet Zn reqs

                          But then your horse would die of a vitamin A/D/E/K or (depending on you location) Se deficiency.

                          If you are worried about ionophore contamination, there are plenty of complete feeds manufactured in equine-only mills.

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                            #14
                            Well, to be fair, none of these feeds are supposed to be the sole source of nutrients, other than complete feeds *can* be, but they are designed for that.

                            To that end, there's no way CA should be, or could safely be fed as the sole source of nutrients.
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                              #15
                              I know a farm that feeds it, horses look good. They add a vitamin/mineral supplement to go with it. All their horses are hard working, need a higher calorie diet, and aren't bothered by the NSC. Their feed bill is outrageous considering what they could be paying, but they charge accordingly for boarding.

                              They don't look any better than my pony on his 1 lb of ration balancer, he's actually shinier than their horses.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by tazycat View Post

                                .... I've been feeding Tc products for a little over a year never an issues with contamination. If there was and i lost current horses well i'd simply buy more horses.
                                Ahhh....good for you.
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by findeight View Post

                                  Ahhh....good for you.
                                  Didn't mean that to sound cold hearted about the replacing horses. I would be very devastated if i lost them to contaminated feed. Mill i buy from is ionophore free and they don't produce any cattle feed either...so i do try to do the absolute best, by buying feed from a mill that just sells horse feed.

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                                    #18
                                    I would imagine that with some added vitamin and trace mineral this CA feed can be fed safely. It's just hard not to say "hold on a minute!" When you read that someone cares too much about the life and health of their horses to feed what Dex with his 25k in medical bills is being fed while he's up recovering. Lol. What bothers me about this feed is they make it seem like it provides everything the horse needs. I think their marketing is unsafe as is their very vocal insistence that NSC content has no bearing on health.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JB View Post
                                      Well, to be fair, none of these feeds are supposed to be the sole source of nutrients, other than complete feeds *can* be, but they are designed for that.

                                      To that end, there's no way CA should be, or could safely be fed as the sole source of nutrients.
                                      There marketing campaign/feeding instructions simply states 1-2kg/hd/day and forage. They make no mention of a TM&V supplement.

                                      So if you follow their "instructions" you horse will be deficient in most minerals and vitamins.

                                      http://cryptoaero.com/ingredients/

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ownerof2mfts

                                        Ok maybe opinions was a bad choice of a word, maybe I am looking for testimonials from people that feed it? I am trying to stay away from GMOs and processed feeds as much as possible - and personally i don't really trust any of the feeds that i can get around here ADM, TC, Nutrena, Purina, Progressive etc... in my OPINION they aren't concerned with our horses health, if they were then they would not mill the horse feed in the same mill as medicated cattle feed.

                                        You you could tell by all the ingredient that crypto has in it by a photo, wow - did you actually read the ingredient list? I bet you didn't...

                                        And yes you are right i could do oats ($10.99) and alfalfa/timothy pellets ($12.99) like i have been doing along with organic split peas, organic coconut flakes, and organic pumpkin seeds, organic sunflower seeds all ordered from nuts.com for a total of $30.00 give or take - or i could buy Crypto that already has all that in it and save me some money - and you can get it from Chewey.com for $29.00 a bag - buy 2 bags and get free shipping and a few more dollars off if you arrange to have it automatically shipped to you.
                                        Well, obviously I read the ingredient list. Like I said, what job are split peas meant to be doing?

                                        Another poster beat me to doing the maths on this.

                                        As far as GMO, there are some crops that are predominantly GMO these days. Those include soy and corn.

                                        There are some crops that are not GMO. Those include oats and timothy hay. So if you feed oats and timothy, by definition you are feeding non GMO plants. You don't need a label on the bag to tell you the oats are non GMO.

                                        https://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/heres-gmo-oats/

                                        If you are feeding alfalfa, it may or may not be GMO.

                                        Like I said, the Aero feed in small quantities to a horse that has no metabolic problems, with the addition of a vitamin/mineral supplement, should cause no problems. But that is an insane cost for something, and I do feel the company is marketing a bit to the innocent or ignorant. And the fact that they don't think NSC is worthy of note, is a red flag to me that they are not following best practices for equine nutrition.

                                        The other thing to remember about horses, is that they are huge, and a sprinkling of whatever in their feed, like a total quarter cup of this or that, is probably not going to have much benefit.

                                        But mostly I think this company is just price gouging since the feed is basically oats and forage cubes with some pretty things on top, and you could feed this base feed for so much less, even if you had to buy the pretty things.





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