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Who has to hold farriers hand? "oops, left a flair here", "he's still high on inside"

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  • Who has to hold farriers hand? "oops, left a flair here", "he's still high on inside"

    Now, I don't see dead people, but I certainly can see balanced feet! I have always had quite the eye for details, balance, flair, toe length - all without gages and toe leveler (and then I back up my findings with exact measurements from gages and toe leveler). Am I alone?

    Do most people just not pay attention to details, not know better, or do they also have to give their farrier "guidance"?


    (I am probably not the typical horse owner: almost 40 yrs experience, farm owner, breeder, FEI rider).

  • #2
    Between this and your other thread, if you're that unsatisfied with your farrier, then move on.

    Find one up to your standards *and* willing to work with you.

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    • #3
      I feel the same way. If you are not satisfied with your farrier then switch. If I have an issue with one of my horse's feet I will discuss with my farrier but that is rare. He is the professional and takes pride in his work.

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      • #4
        I left one when it became clear that if I wanted my horse's feet trimmed properly, I was going to have to spell it out. I asked another of that farrier's clients what she did, as her horse's feet looked better than my mare's, and she said she had to tell him to keep her horse's toes short.

        I didn't think there was much point in paying the guy if I had to tell him how to do his job, so I found someone else. I don't have to tell her what to do; she knows her job. Mare is now very sound and moving very well, and her feet no longer look like bells.

        I think many people don't know what a balanced trim looks like. They're happy with farrier's work if horse stays sound and keeps his shoes on (for 8 weeks, or 12 weeks or whatever ).
        Full-time bargain hunter.

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        • #5
          If you can see that and he can't, then he needs to go, and you need to either find someone who CAN see that and do the job, or do the job yourself
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          • #6
            Now you know why so many of us on here learned to trim

            I suggest you do the same, it will save you a lot of aggravation and when something goes wrong you can only blame yourself.

            You can then find a farrier who will shoe your trim if your horse needs shoes. Best of both worlds IMO.
            "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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            • #7
              Oh gosh, for a minute I thought it was April 1.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                You can then find a farrier who will shoe your trim if your horse needs shoes. Best of both worlds IMO.
                If you mess up a trim, the horse can rebalance it for you. If your farrier is soooooo bad that you need to trim before he shoes, that's laughable. I can't imagine a farrier willing to shoe someone else's trim.
                Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                  #9
                  Yep! I hear you guys! Thanks for the confirmation! Now, will someone please check out my thread in Off Course about needing SALES help: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=263083



                  EqTrainer

                  Now you know why so many of us on here learned to trim

                  I suggest you do the same, it will save you a lot of aggravation and when something goes wrong you can only blame yourself.

                  Bingo! Well, this is obviously part of my "problem"! I already DO trim, and have been doing so for about 8 yrs. I have also taught myself to shoe.
                  I.
                  Simply.
                  Can't.
                  Trim.
                  17.
                  Horses.
                  Feet.
                  By.
                  Myself.


                  This little body just can't do it all like it once could. (I like my back! )

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by citydog View Post
                    Between this and your other thread, if you're that unsatisfied with your farrier, then move on.

                    Find one up to your standards *and* willing to work with you.
                    This!

                    You obviously require a very special farrier. It might take you a while to find just the right one that can give you the service you require with that does the trim just the way you want it, but please do not torture every farrier trying to make them into that farrier.

                    I just do not get (in this thread or your other one complaining about the exact same situation) why, if this farrier did this horrible of a job you did not notice and correct the situation while the farrier was still there. You say he did 17 horses. That is a lot of feet to be that bad and for someone who knows as much as you do to not say a word about it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                      If you mess up a trim, the horse can rebalance it for you. If your farrier is soooooo bad that you need to trim before he shoes, that's laughable. I can't imagine a farrier willing to shoe someone else's trim.

                      Mine will. It's not that he's a bad farrier or trimmer, it's that he is a pretty ego-free guy who knows that since I trim my own that I am the person who knows the most about them and can them their best trim. Besides that he gets paid the same amount either way so in the end it's all the same to him...

                      But mostly it's a nice thing, took a little thinking out of the box in the beginning but he always wants what is best for the horse.
                      "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                        If you mess up a trim, the horse can rebalance it for you.
                        Not always

                        If your farrier is soooooo bad that you need to trim before he shoes, that's laughable. I can't imagine a farrier willing to shoe someone else's trim.
                        Who said anything about the farrier being so bad he couldn't trim? If he WAS that bad at trimming, I sure wouldn't have him put shoes on.

                        Maybe it's a matter of the trimmer not having the desire to learn to put shoes on
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                          I.
                          Simply.
                          Can't.
                          Trim.
                          17.
                          Horses.
                          Feet.
                          By.
                          Myself.


                          This little body just can't do it all like it once could. (I like my back! )
                          How many are you trying to trim in the same day? How often do these feet need trimming?

                          Trimming 3 every weekend would put everyone on roughly a 6 week schedule. Trimming 3 twice a week puts them on a 3-ish week schedule.
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                          • #14
                            Anybody can make a mistake, or sometimes when it's 1,000 degrees outside, you've been bent over with your head beneath your butt for 6 hours, and sweat is burning your eyeballs - you might not get something quite right. When I'm done with the trim, I stand back and look at all 4. I go back and tweak anything that needs tweaking. Sometimes the owner will ask about this or that, usually it's just my own desire for perfection that drives me to pick up the foot one more time and fix something I'm not quite happy with.

                            I currently trim the horses of another trimmer who quit doing it because of her back. That was a bit scary at first but she's a great lady and we have fun together I also trimmed a Draft that belonged to a Farrier. He was injured and couldn't trim for a few months. Horse's feet were a disaster and needed shoeing so I did what I could and gave him a phone number. A farrier here asked me if I would trim his broodmares because he just doesn't have time. I never did because they're half wild and get done 2x a year and that's not the kind of work I want. I also trimmed horses for a lady who is Strasser trained and normally has a Strasser trimmer, but that trimmer hasn't been good about scheduling lately. She ended up not calling me back, presumably because I didn't take off enough foot for her liking. She had made comments about needing to cut out more of this or more of that, and I didn't want to do it. In another situation, I trimmed 2 Drafts then the owner had an Amish farrier nail shoes onto my trim. She said he's very good at shaping shoes and does hot fitting but his trimming skills are terrible. That was certainly an interesting situation for me!

                            It seems fairly common to trim horses for somebody who knows how to trim, or is certified themselves. I would just be up front about your expectations and your knowledge.

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                            • #15
                              I am looking for someone to trim for me. Is the op available?
                              Eric Russell CJF

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                              • #16
                                My patients (usually) don't tell me what tests to order, what meds to prescribe, or what decisions to make.

                                I don't tell my farrier how to do his job.

                                Both of us welcome questions intended to increase understanding and to clarify a game plan.

                                If a practitioner does crappy work, don't continue to use their services. If you think you can do better, strap on the apron and have at it.
                                Click here before you buy.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by deltawave View Post

                                  I don't tell my farrier how to do his job.
                                  This.

                                  I am lucky now that I have a GREAT farrier. However, in the past I've had pretty good (respected) farriers who would always leave the horse with the same flare. Weird. Still you can't tell a farrier how to do his job. Make a suggestion, have a discussion, but if it doesn't work out, then you need to come to terms. Either accept what you have or move on.

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                                  • #18
                                    Now, I don't see dead people, but I certainly can see balanced feet! I have always had quite the eye for details, balance, flair, toe length - all without gages and toe leveler (and then I back up my findings with exact measurements from gages and toe leveler). Am I alone?
                                    No. A few other horse owners.trainers also try to tell their chosen professional how to do their job. If they pull hoof guages out with me, its the last time they will see me, since I recommend hoof guages are better used for paper weights.
                                    Do most people just not pay attention to details, not know better, or do they also have to give their farrier "guidance"?
                                    I am hired to give my horse owners guidance, not the other way around. As are all professional farriers.
                                    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
                                    Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
                                    www.hoofcareonline.com

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                                      #19
                                      I am hired to give my horse owners guidance, not the other way around. As are all professional farriers.
                                      So, if I don't give him guidance, does that make him and his work "professional"? Do professional farriers leave flair, high medial, and shoe to flair, or would you consider such a farrier to be unprofessional? (Sorry, just funnin'! I couldn't resist!).

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                                        #20
                                        Trubandloki wrote:

                                        You obviously require a very special farrier.
                                        HUH? Since when is medial/lateral balance, matching angles, and flairs removed a "special" requirement in a farrier? Heck, that is just a good foundation of a job well done!!



                                        You say he did 17 horses. That is a lot of feet to be that bad and for someone who knows as much as you do to not say a word about it.
                                        Nowhere did I say that he did 17 horses! Nor did a "not say a word about it" with the ones that he did work on.

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