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Farrier carved out the sole on my flat footed TB - need advice to get him sound!

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  • Farrier carved out the sole on my flat footed TB - need advice to get him sound!

    New guy, supposedly good - but we won't go there. My TB has a flat foot. The guy pics this foot up first and starts carving it out and nipping the sole and wall. I told him he is recently barefoot and stayed sound so I want to keep him barefoot. It looks like he was trying to make the foot concave. My horse is very lame. I am not sure what best course would be. I packed it with sole pack today and put Keratex hoof hardener on last night and tonight and gave him bute this am and pm. I don't want him to bruise or abscess. He likely took out about 1/8 or even 1/4" deep each side and he is also quite short now in general. He didn't take off any heel, as he gets low there, but none? He may be tipped onto the toe/sole causing more pressure. Horse said OUCH right away as he was working. Vet was out for shots today and did hoof tester, he wasn't as reactive as you would think, but did flinch. She thought packing was ok - but she doesn't know what he looked like before and I'm not comfortable with not asking for further advice.
    Help please, I really want him sound soon, he needs to get back to work as he is being rehabbed and is older. Thank you!!!

  • #2
    poor guy.. I would be packing and wrapping - alternatively, what has worked well for me is getting a pair of easy boots, painting the sole with durasole, vetwrapping the hoof and then throwing easy boots on - vetwrap keeps the easyboots on better, offers more traction for the boot to stay on, etc - and keeps the durasole in.

    this is all short-term fix, with the long term fix being that it's probably time for a different farrier that understands the needs of a thin-soled horse..


    • Original Poster

      Thanks, I have one of those cheap boots, but it's too big now cause his dang hoof is so much smaller! But that is a great idea to use vet wrap, it could take up some of the space. I have Keratex hoof hardner, do you think I should get packing instead? Not sure where to get it here, only had one left - I have poultice too I think.
      How long do you think it will take, any guesses? thanks!


      • #4
        "Jim Rickens" hoof paint...Google for a source, but it will toughen and draw the soreness out almost overnight!! We've used it for YEARS. We actually KNEW Jim Rickens himself!! Give the poor horse some Bute, too!! Good luck.
        Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma


        • Original Poster

          Yup, he had bute am and pm thanks!


          • #6
            That will help. The Rickens works wonders!!! You might want to try it!! A friend had the same thing happen to her top show horse just before a HUGE show....too sore to walk...used Rickens and showed....won...sound!!
            Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma


            • #7
              Originally posted by EquineEverything View Post
              He likely took out about 1/8 or even 1/4" deep each side and he is also quite short now in general. He didn't take off any heel, as he gets low there, but none? He may be tipped onto the toe/sole causing more pressure.
              Hard to say without seeing pics (feeling brave? ) but did he take out a lot of sole at the toe? Did he give a reason for not touching the heels? Sounds like his heels are underrun and though they seem low, they'd likely be tall if standing up. Not taking them back will just make things worse.


              • #8
                Love to see pictures for curiosity sake.

                Venice turpentine is the best to harden up a soft sole and its cheap! Works better than durasole or keratex in my opinion and faster too.
                I love cats, I love every single cat....
                So anyway I am a cat lover
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                • Original Poster

                  I agree, no - his heels are not underrun, it was just the only thing I cautioned him on so he wouldn't take off too much. I couldn't imagine he would do something worse. I could take pictures in the morning if interested, I appreciate the feedback. I know how to treat a tender foot, but this is more. How much worse? I really don't know. I may bring the heels even. the whole damn foot is uneven.


                  • Original Poster

                    Need to pic up packing tomorrow, not alot to choose from in my area. Looks like my choices for buying a packing local are Farnam Forshner's Hoof Packing or Hawthorne Products Sole Pack Hoof Packing Paste (individual packs)


                    • #11
                      Agree to use a sole toughening product, but in the meantime use hoof boots (Easy Boots, Renegades, Old Macs etc) while riding to protect the sole until it grows. If he is really lame I would have a therapeutic boot on 24/7 like Easy Boot Cloud or Soft Rides. In the future never ever let a farrier touch the sole of your horse.


                      • #12
                        In my most recent bout with my horse's pancake foot, I used the hoof wrap product shown here -
                        Also available several places online (SmartPak) and then I actually found one in the store at Tractor Supply this week. This wrap does not hold up to turn-out but is great as an underlayer to a more substantial hoof boot - replaces vet wrap as described above but is washable and re-usable. It also has the most sticky velcro I have ever encountered. Might work in the stall if horse is not being turned out.

                        Over the years with pancake foot, the one thing I have learned is to give it time. It is not going to recover as quickly from any "insult" as a foot with more concavity. You have good reasons for getting the horse back to work quickly but rushing it may be counterproductive.


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                          • #14
                            Lateral and sole shots would be helpful. How long had it been since the horse was last trimmed?


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JLR1 View Post
                              In the future never ever let a farrier touch the sole of your horse.
                              This isn't exactly the answer either, not trimming enough can bring on problems as well.


                              • #16
                                Can you get some Magic Cushion? TSC usually carries it. I'd use MC and wrap, keep in a deeply bedded stall and don't ride him until he's sound without bute and without hoof packing. I went through this with one of mine and he ended up with laminitis in all 4 feet, so I I tend to play it super safe with ouchy feet now.


                                • Original Poster

                                  As promised last night, here are pictures of my TB's foot. You can see the dug out sole, but it is now darker from using sole pack. It was a nice big flat foot with lots of sole and he was completely sound. In the last pic (may have come thru as first pic) you can see I filed the heels a little, he had not touched them. I laid the rasp level and stopped when I stated contacting the other parts of the outer sole. You can see by the high spots I touched how uneven the foot is. He didn't even smooth the little step on the inside. THE GOOD NEWS is he is actually pretty sound this morning (with boot and bute) thank goodness. But I will pack and wrap and boot and have durasole being shipped - here by Friday. No heat to speak of. So it looks like what I did to jump on it early helped, but I still worry about the foot being so much smaller and vulnerable.
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                                  • Original Poster

                                    Durasole will be here Friday. I will check out TSC for Magic cushion. I had been filing his feet myself, conservatively and did an awesome job if I do say so myself. He had about 6 weeks growth and a nice sound foot. This is way way smaller than I ever would have went. I told him he could come every 5 or 6 weeks, so why he took off so much, IDK. He got defensive when I asked for help (and mentioned what he did was too aggressive) but that was a fact not an insult, for god sake the horse is lame and jumped when he nipped!


                                    • #19
                                      To me, the pictures tell a story that's different from what the words have been saying

                                      Here's why I think that:

                                      I see lots of cracked sole, which means there's extra, dead sole that hasn't exfoliated yet.
                                      I see a ridge around the apex of the frog, which says there's excess sole there.

                                      All this makes me really feel there's a bit of excess, sole, even maybe false sole, which has made the horse seem like his sole is "flat". IMHO, not enough sole was removed.

                                      That's why "never touch sole" is never the right answer. Some horses should rarely, if ever have any sole touched, some build up lots of sole and don't shed/exfoliate it well so always have to have most of the excess removed. I have one who rarely has any excess sole other than at the seat of corn, and one who always builds up lots of sole that I have to remove. The other 2 are in the middle, so it varies how much excess sole they have.

                                      The only thing that looks to me like could make the horse sore is how flat he rasped the toe area from toe quarter to toe quarter, getting into the live sole. It doesn't look like he rasped the wall too low from the toe quarters back. He certainly left too much overgrown bar.
                                      The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                                      • #20
                                        Any chance that the underlying issue is something else? Laminitis from spring grass, for example? I expected to see a gouged out sole but that's not really what it is; I expected to see red/pink on the sole. My farrier typically cleans up chalky, exfoliating sole as well but that's not necessarily carving it out.