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  • Sort of stupid but...horse drugs for humans?

    Can humans take lactanase to ease sore muscles?? I tried to do some research and find a supplement for humans like it but had little success. I've seen it work really well for certain horses. Also, anyone here get legend or adequan shots themselves? Are there any long term effects for human use? (I'm sure there hasn't been any research on that considering it is only approved in horse use.) I've taken robaxin before(per my vets recommendation of course! ) but the thought if injecting a horse drug into myself makes me a little uneasy.
    Originally posted by JSwan
    Prove it....Otherwise, you're just coming off as a whackjob.
    Founding member of the "Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine" Clique

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    There is a reason there are certain drugs made for humans and others made for horses.

    For example, Bute was used in humans until it was found it caused aplastic anemia (among other things, all very serious effects, some deadly).

    Robaxin is actually a drug that is used in humans but should be used on your DOCTOR'S advice, NOT your vet's. It is a central nervous system depressant and has sedative properties (along with muscle-relaxant properties). Probably not something you want to take and then drive (especially if you are not used to taking it or are on other medications). I hope your vet didn't advise you how much to take - I think that would be unethical at the least, if not illegal.

    You want something like lactanase for sore muscles, go to a GNC or vitamin store and ask what the weightlifters take.

    And orthopaedic docs have injectible alternatives for joint pain. Don't go injecting yourself with Adequan or Legend.

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      Lactanase is not a "drug", per se, and therefore you have nothing, probably, that gives you any indication it's safe or efficacious. Like most supplements or nutraceuticals, you're kind of on your own.

      As far as Adequan, there is an intra-articular product for humans that is called Syn-Visc that is quite similar. However, given the fact that it is a joint product specifically indicated for osteoarthritis, and you seem to be asking about muscle pain, well . . . And muscle relaxants have zero pain-relieving properties, although I'm sure any vet who would recommend that a client take something like that without knowing their medical history and discussing the risks and benefits is WELL aware of that.

      Muscle soreness is a necessary and normal adaptation to hard work. It is not a disease or disorder unto itself. But if soreness or pain seems to be above and beyond what's normal following activity, maybe you ought to see a health care provider that matches your species.
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        [QUOTE but the thought if injecting a horse drug into myself makes me a little uneasy.[/QUOTE]
        As well it should.
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          Ok, I guess I should have clarified I'm not a crazy drug addict looking for ways to get high or something. Maybe the post came off that way. And when I say I've taken robaxin, I mean 1 pill maybe 3 times in my entire life! I've heard from many different people about using legend or bute or robaxin for people so I was just curious.
          I'm aware of the differences in muscle relaxants and injections used for arthritis too, just included them in the same post. So just to clarify, I have no intention of going to the barn and grabbing a bottle of legend next time my joints feel achey or reaching for some bute whenever I have a headache. Just trying to get a better understanding of human drugs vs equine drugs.
          Originally posted by JSwan
          Prove it....Otherwise, you're just coming off as a whackjob.
          Founding member of the "Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine" Clique

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            I've been guilty of taking robaxin, and naproxin out of the medicine cabinet at the barn. And I know someone will probably jump all over me for admitting this, but I'm currently taking smz's for this damn sinus infection.
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            • #7
              I use methocarbamol (robax) but it is people pills - no prescription required here for them. and is sold under the brand name Robaxasal or Robaxacet, depending on the pain reliever included and there are generic versions of each available as well;in fact I was surprise to see it used for horses. HA has recently been approved for human use in Canada, but most docs seem to think it doesn't work as well as cortisone (all the better to get a surgery out of the patient when the bone disappears). There is oral HA available in some joint preparations for humans though, and it does work.
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                most docs seem to think it doesn't work as well as cortisone
                Those types of conclusions are generally drawn after looking at research, not simply by casual observation.

                Just trying to get a better understanding of human drugs vs equine drugs.
                The distinction is artificial. A drug is a drug and does not belong to any particular species. It is the difference in the intended recipients that makes ALL the difference in terms of choosing the right one.
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                • #9
                  The farriers use Surpass on sore knees. Sore No More has done wonders for my carpal tunnel and plantar fasceitis (sp?). One the other hand, the horses take Zyrtec and Tagamet. We all take the equine MSM. Not exactly hard drugs, but I have been tempted to give some people a few cc's of Ace (ONLY KIDDING).Some days Adequan looks mighty tempting....

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                  • #10
                    Sore No More (arnica) is by no stretch a horse drug. It's not for horses per se and it's not a drug, it's homeopathic.

                    OP for sore muscles from lactic acid, how about a better cooldown after working out?

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                    • #11
                      more than a few of us take MSM for it's ability to reduce lactase (?) and reduce the effect of sore muscles, I mean thatis the ONE thing MSM has been proven to do i na decent study with controls.
                      Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                      • #12
                        According to show groom lore a cc of Banamine in your coffee takes care of a hangover.

                        People get creative and experimental. I think you should make yourself the Lactanase guinea pig and report back.
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                          Originally posted by Androcles View Post
                          Sore No More (arnica) is by no stretch a horse drug. It's not for horses per se and it's not a drug, it's homeopathic.

                          OP for sore muscles from lactic acid, how about a better cooldown after working out?
                          I believe Sore No More contains well in excess of homeopathic concentrations of arnica.
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                            Originally posted by DMK View Post
                            more than a few of us take MSM for it's ability to reduce lactase (?) and reduce the effect of sore muscles, I mean thatis the ONE thing MSM has been proven to do i na decent study with controls.
                            Thanks I will try that. I was browsing the GNC website last night and saw some similar products to lactanase by comparing ingredients. I'm attempting to get super fit again and I really hate that initial soreness the first week. I know it goes away once your left of fitness increases and by returning to the gym the next day it helps to loosen up. Just getting off the couch the next morning is always such a chore.
                            Originally posted by JSwan
                            Prove it....Otherwise, you're just coming off as a whackjob.
                            Founding member of the "Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine" Clique

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                              Originally posted by Wheel Whip View Post
                              The farriers use Surpass on sore knees. Sore No More has done wonders for my carpal tunnel and plantar fasceitis (sp?). One the other hand, the horses take Zyrtec and Tagamet. We all take the equine MSM. Not exactly hard drugs, but I have been tempted to give some people a few cc's of Ace (ONLY KIDDING).Some days Adequan looks mighty tempting....
                              Just a suggestion for your carpal tunnel as I've had 3 surgeries already and I'm only 25! I found that using the back on track gloves and wrist brace really helped to reduce some of the pain. You can also put sore no more underneath them kind of like you would use hand lotion.
                              I'm such a fan of sore no more. I frequently add it to bath water and it makes a great soak. I also love the smell of it!
                              Has anyone seen their new product that they are advertising to be safe for FEI and race horse use??
                              Originally posted by JSwan
                              Prove it....Otherwise, you're just coming off as a whackjob.
                              Founding member of the "Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine" Clique

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                                Originally posted by Timex View Post
                                I've been guilty of taking robaxin, and naproxin out of the medicine cabinet at the barn. And I know someone will probably jump all over me for admitting this, but I'm currently taking smz's for this damn sinus infection.
                                SMZ is actually a human drug that is used on horses, so you taking it isn't exactly using a horse drug. And it does work, to some extent on sinus infections, athough there are more effective antibiotics for long standing infections
                                Last edited by shawneeAcres; Jun. 16, 2010, 11:02 AM.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                                  Those types of conclusions are generally drawn after looking at research, not simply by casual observation.
                                  Oh, you dont know our docs here. Before my old doc died, he was waiting with anticipation for HA to be released for human use because he was a sports injury doctor. His insipid replacements (all young doctors and a few middle aged leftovers) have no interest in new and most treat women with the 1820s' standard that most ailments are all in the head. Best I can hope for now is the last old doc in town to be available, a rare thing indeed as he is semi-retired - he outshines his own kids for medical innovation. He is also the one that put me on Robaxasal years ago and told me to always keep some around. The sports doc agreed with that.
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                                  • #18
                                    Gentacin spray for poison ivy
                                    Surpass for stiff neck, or *really* strained muscles
                                    Robaxin/ Methocarb w/ibuprofen for sore back

                                    I, too have heard of banamine in OJ for a hangover -- from a vet.

                                    And I swear I'd IM Ace an intruder to subdue them if I had to. A friend accidentally shot herself in the eye with Ace.. was pretty funny. Kinda like watching someone put their finger on an old 72 RPM record. One minute she was buzzing around, the next she was staggering a bit, slurring her words... "Uhhh dun ftheeel tho welllll"..

                                    A 20 minute nap took care of it.

                                    Stay away from Dorm. NOT meant for human use.

                                    However, I've been tempted to try Adequan on myself, however I dont' think I ever really would. I do use equine Adequan on my dog, though.

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                                    • #19
                                      I have taken Doxycycline/SMZ's (not simultaneously of course....) to treat a UTI, Doxy's also worked GREAT on the occasional breakout

                                      Naproxen/Robax/Surpass for my aches and pains.

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                                      • #20
                                        A friend of mine once took an SMZ for a cold, figuring if it was one pill per 100pounds of horse, it would be fine for her 135 pound body. What it actually did was to sterilize her entire body. She called me to pick up the appropriate drug on my way to the barn to do something about the raging yeast infection. I got her a big tub of yoghurt too. To my knowledge she hasn't done it since.

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