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  • Suspected Neck Threadworms - Photos

    Here is a link to a few photos I took today prior to starting the double-dose worming protocol to rid my gelding of suspected NTWs. As you can see, Durango has many white patches that indicate old injuries (from scratching and biting) to various areas - He had these when I bought him. I'm not sure if you can see the bumps on his shoulders and chest - these are there year round. He also has them on his lower front legs.

    I am going to document his progress with photos as I go. It has been a very long road to try to clear up his "summer itch", and I am praying that this will give my guy some relief!

    Any input on what worm over load side affects might cause would be appreciated.

    Also - I would like to do a SINGLE dose first, and then DD a week later - is it Okay to use Equimax for both?

    Here is the link:

    http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/h...20documentary/


    Thanks so much for your input and thoughts.
    Heather

    "My Barn, My Rules"

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    Wasn't there a thread recently about doubling dosing with Ivermectrin for thread worms? The discussion got rather involved.
    The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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    • #3
      Yep
      http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=155469

      And the OP is the last one to post on it with a suspected issue

      Helyro, only you and your vet can decide what to do, ultimately, but I personally would go with double dosing Equimax both times.

      In short, on the other thread, there are those who say they only did dd ivermectin each time and had luck. Others say it wasn't until they used Equimax did the see results. Still others had improvement with 2 dd's of Equimax and then 1-2 additional dd's of plain ivermectin.

      It's up to you in the end
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        #4
        Thank JB - any experience with the symptoms of worm overload? Just trying to be prepared if that happens.

        BTW - vets here are not a lot of help unless you have a real emergency or your horse needs his regular vaccinations.

        Thanks so much!
        Heather

        "My Barn, My Rules"

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        • #5
          Well.... you will notice my CYA at the bottom of my post....

          but anyway. I have dewormed lots and lots of horses this way and I've never had any sort of problem at all. I do keep banamine (for any optical problems) and MSM on hand (for any itching/inflammation issues) at all times and would use them if I had a problem come up. My guess is that your guy might get quite a bit worse before he gets better. MSM might really help him, and I know Chocomare often recommends other things for the horses who itch like crazy afterwards.

          Good luck with your boy, please keep us posted on how he does!
          "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

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            #6
            Thanks for your input! He is not "miserable" right now - but the bumps are there (alot of them), the missing hair on his face is there - so I can only imagine what the summer will bring.

            I may be being a bit over protective of him due to the 3 years of skin sensitivity that I have been through with him. Either he is the most sensitive horse on the face of the earth, or this really will work. Ugh.

            And please don't worry about the whole CYA thing - totally with you on that!!

            Many thanks,
            Heather

            "My Barn, My Rules"

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              #7
              Also - would you all be interested in the photos as we go along? Someone ( I apologize that I cannot remember who) was going to post either photos or case studies (separate from what is in the thready) to their website, but I couldn't find it.
              Heather

              "My Barn, My Rules"

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              • #8
                photos? well ya!

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                  #9
                  LMH - Wasn't it you that was going to post a recap?
                  Heather

                  "My Barn, My Rules"

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                  • #10
                    I noticed you are in SW FL. Do you guys have mosquitos out yet? I am a bit north, near Tampa, and our mosquitos have gone into temporary hiding form the cold.

                    I mention this because I have a gelding who is super-sensitive to mosquitos and gnats. I did the DD Equimax with him, with no long-term results. Within a couple weeks he was back to itching like mad again. The only thing that has helped him is all-out war on the bugs. He gets a mosquito sheet with neck cover, fly mask, leg wraps, and goop on his sheath and armpits. He looks like robo horse, but it keeps the hair ON his body.

                    Just an idea. I know how frustrating these issues are. I tried everything short of allergy shots for my boy, and this is what has worked the best. Even Dex was a short-term thing for him. He's just destined to be a bit high-maintenance and overdressed for 6 months out of the year.

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                    • #11
                      ummm...I take the 5th??

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                        Originally posted by Helyro View Post
                        Also - would you all be interested in the photos as we go along?
                        Oh, such a newb you are

                        Many of us are quite the photo ho's

                        Someone ( I apologize that I cannot remember who) was going to post either photos or case studies (separate from what is in the thready) to their website, but I couldn't find it.
                        That would be Chocomare
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                          #13
                          Hampton Bay - Yes, him not responding to the DD treatment is my big-time fear! We have had several hard frosts down here (as I'm sure you have), and it's pretty much just flies right now - no mosquitos. Question: does your horse react to the bug bites only on his front-end? I would think my horse would react all over his body if he was truly allergic - but I guess we'll see

                          LMH - Yep - I went to your website (very nice BTW) and tried to find something related to this - LOL!! I did see ChocoMare's recap post on the thread - very helpful as well.

                          JB - I have Banamine, but not MSM - have to look into that.

                          Thanks everyone!
                          Heather

                          "My Barn, My Rules"

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                          • #14
                            Looks to me like the horse has sweet itch - more properly called Summer Seasonal Recurrent Dermatitis

                            Or else it's mud fever - Dermatophilus congolensis

                            What makes you think it's worms??

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                              Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
                              Looks to me like the horse has sweet itch - more properly called Summer Seasonal Recurrent Dermatitis

                              Or else it's mud fever - Dermatophilus congolensis

                              What makes you think it's worms??

                              The neckthreadworm is passed by the little buggers that bite and cause sweet itch.

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                                Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
                                Looks to me like the horse has sweet itch - more properly called Summer Seasonal Recurrent Dermatitis

                                Or else it's mud fever - Dermatophilus congolensis

                                What makes you think it's worms??
                                I'd agree.

                                After 3 years, OP, have you ever considered hauling to a dermatologist? There are quite a few in FL. A skin biopsy should get a handle on all the years of discomfort the horse has had to endure.

                                Onchocerca cervicalis ("threadworm") usually resides in the ligamentum nuchae (neck region, but, this isn't exactly subcutaneous or the entire neck/head region)

                                http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/in...m/bc/71804.htm

                                " Ivermectin (200 µg/kg) and moxidectin (400 µg/kg) are efficacious (>99%) against microfilariae and produce marked clinical improvement in horses with onchocercal dermatitis. "

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                                  #17
                                  No I haven't ever considered an dermatologist. He is on Dex for most of the summer months and that keeps him comfortable along with a fan at face level in his run-in. I have no idea what was done with him prior to my purchasing him about 3 years ago - I have no idea how he was treated, etc. He has an impact injury to his hindquarter, and is missing the top of one ear also - not to mention all of the white hair that is obviously from some type of scarring. Summer Itch (that's what most people call it here as opposed to Sweet Itch) is extremely common down here. We have very hot, humid summers which put the heat index over 100 degrees. I have neverr (up until now) questioned that diagnosis (given by 2 vets and everyone else around here that has a horse with summer itch).

                                  The whole reason that I even found the Neck Threadworm info, was that I was looking for any other ideas besides the dex to try on him. I have taken this horse barefoot and Dex is just not the best for feet - not to mention a host of other issues. There were just TOO many successes with treating for NTWs for me not to try this. Whether or not it turns out to be the true issue my horse has remains to be seen - I can only pray that this will work for him as it has for so many others. I am going to wait until I can be home from work for a few days before I do the DD of Equimax so that I can keep an eye on him - will be later this month.

                                  Has anyone heard of a link between the NTWs and Anhidrosis (not sweating)?? He has this condition as well. My poor boy. You can imagine how much $$ I have spent on various supplements, etc. on him. He is a good horse with a great mind and he is worth every thing I try.
                                  Heather

                                  "My Barn, My Rules"

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                                  • #18
                                    "ONE AC" is a Supplement that is often recommended to help horses with anhidrosis.

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                                      #19
                                      Hi Perch - Yes, I use One AC (God bless SmartPak) on him and it works pretty well. I wanted to just throw that out there in case anyone had heard of any correlation with not sweating and any other condition.

                                      Thanks!
                                      Heather

                                      "My Barn, My Rules"

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                                        #20
                                        Oh I moved from "Green" to "Training Level" - LOL
                                        Heather

                                        "My Barn, My Rules"

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