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Hay question: Tifton 44 vs Tifton 85

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  • Hay question: Tifton 44 vs Tifton 85

    Ok so here's the question:

    We're thinking about getting some land sprigged this spring with either Tifton 44 or 85. From what I understand, the 44 is finer stemmed and greens up sooner in the spring but yields slightly less tons of hay per acre. The 85 is not as fine stemmed, greens up a bit later but yields more hay.

    Shoud I be worried about the finer stemmed hay being more likely to cause colic? I have some Tifton 44 round bales right now and it doesn't look much different than Coastal to me. Anyone grow either of them and can offer some insight?

    I'm not really worried about the difference in hay production. We will cut hay off of it but that's not my primary goal. I want nice pastures that we can also use for a few cuttings of hay.

    Thanks!
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    Bump..

    Anyone?

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    • #3
      I don't know about the growing of Tifton, but I will say my horses don't like Tifton hay. Of the two the will eat the 44 better than the 85. Just make sure your horses like the one you plant.

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      • #4
        When they get hungry enough they will eat what's in front of them.....when what is put in front of with no other choices...they eat.

        As long as the hay is fertilized and cut, cured to the correct moisture and baled, it will be fine.

        I have two different types of coastal, I don't tell the buyers what they are getting because I have found it is the buyers phobias and ridiculous theories that get themselves in a muddle. The KISS (Keep it simple stupid) theory works for me.

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        • #5
          Tifton IS coastal bermuda. I personally like a slightly coarser bermuda grass hay (which is what we feed).
          www.shawneeacres.net

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mlranchtx View Post
            Bump..

            Anyone?
            sorry been to a lesson down in the Valley

            out of my realm so I can't sound intelligent but they maybe can help you

            http://www.haytalk.com/forums/f2/ber...rass-hay-1493/

            speak to haywilson personally...he is from there and specializes in bermuda

            best
            Tamara in TN
            Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
            I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jcotton View Post
              When they get hungry enough they will eat what's in front of them.....when what is put in front of with no other choices...they eat.

              As long as the hay is fertilized and cut, cured to the correct moisture and baled, it will be fine.

              I have two different types of coastal, I don't tell the buyers what they are getting because I have found it is the buyers phobias and ridiculous theories that get themselves in a muddle. The KISS (Keep it simple stupid) theory works for me.
              Glad I don't get my hay from Bryan.


              Tamara intresting reads. Thanks.

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              • #8
                Russell, Tift 85, 44, alicia, etc.

                Originally posted by shawneeAcres View Post
                Tifton IS coastal bermuda. I personally like a slightly coarser bermuda grass hay (which is what we feed).
                Tift 44 and 85 are both coastal bermuda.

                And Tamara can tell you everything, when she has time, or............

                You can contact the Georgia Agricultural Station in Tifton GA, where the varieties of hay were developed, or.............

                You can contact ABAC, Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College, also in Tifton, GA. ABAC works with the state in testing and developing hays that will grow in the soil of hot humid Georgia.

                check out RUSSELL bermuda, which has thicker stems and stay away from Alicia, which has thinner stems.

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                • #9
                  I have two drafties who live by their stomach. If it doesn't move, they eat it. However, they wouldn't touch the Tift 44 I bought one year. I got four, very hairy eyeballs looking at me and with a resounding "hmph," they stomped off to find something else.

                  Bought some Russell Bermuda and it was hoovered....not a stem left.
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                  • #10
                    Place, not variety

                    Originally posted by shawneeAcres View Post
                    Tifton IS coastal bermuda.
                    http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/pub..._NO_115=194544


                    Tifton, GA is a place where USDA-ARS has a warm season grass breeding farm. Everything new variety developed there will have Tifton as part of the name. They grow bahia grass, too. So calling any kind of hay 'Tifton' is like calling all racehorses Lexington.
                    Are you feeding your horse like a cow? www.safergrass.org

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                    • #11
                      Growing conditions, stage of growth, and environmental conditions just before harvest are all far more important to hay quality than the variety.
                      So if you live long enough, and eliminated every variety in which you found a batch your horses did not hoover up, you would run out of varieties eventually.
                      Names are not important when choosing good hay. If you really want to know about a particular batch of hay, ask for the test.
                      I'm speaking to hay growers at the CO Farm show next week, and I was going to tell them that horse owners are now educated so they want to see the hay test.

                      http://www.coloradofarmshow.com/page...np2YW5lZi15YXg

                      Can we get on the same page?

                      Katy
                      Are you feeding your horse like a cow? www.safergrass.org

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Katy Watts View Post
                        http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/pub..._NO_115=194544


                        Tifton, GA is a place where USDA-ARS has a warm season grass breeding farm. Everything new variety developed there will have Tifton as part of the name. They grow bahia grass, too. So calling any kind of hay 'Tifton' is like calling all racehorses Lexington.
                        I was making the point that Titon 44 is a VARIETY of Coastal Bermuda, as the OP said that is "almost looked like coastal bermuda I wasn't CALLING the HAY tifton but pointing this out to the OP!
                        www.shawneeacres.net

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                        • #13
                          Actually if we want to get technical...

                          Tifton 44 and Tifton 85 are both varieties of bermuda. Coastal is a variety of bermuda too. So Coastal and Tifton are not interchangeable terms

                          To the OP, the Tifton varieties tend to be a little larger stemmed. Tifton 85 tends to have slightly larger leaves and a darker green color. Overall though, there really isn't a great deal of difference. In the "average" production system, they're all going to yield roughly the same amount of forage. Tifton 85 tends to be less cold tolerant but if you're in TX then this probably isn't as much of a concern for you as it is for us here in NC. We can mostly only plant it in the SE part of the state where the winters aren't quite as cold. Tifton 85 also tends to be a little more drought tolerant. There's some research that indicates that the Tifton varieties may be slightly more digestible and with slightly higher protein but hay quality always depends on when the hay was actually cut.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by shawneeAcres View Post
                            I wasn't CALLING the HAY tifton but pointing this out to the OP!

                            well the OP is asking not so much about the hybrids as a hay, so much as the hybrids as a graze, as well as hay...

                            THAT takes into account some traits that hay hybrids will not have, over traits that forage hybrids will have and makes it a VERY VERY region specific question...

                            which is why I suggested haywilson...he's older than dirt ,from TX and really knows Bermuda hybrids in his part of the world..

                            I can "google and repeat" all kinds of things, but I will not be able to be as specific and helpful as he can be, for the OP

                            Tamara in TN
                            Last edited by Tamara in TN; Jan. 20, 2010, 02:10 PM.
                            Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                            I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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