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  • alcohol in water troughs to prevent freezing?

    *i did a search on this and couldn't find anything, so if it's been done to death i apologize in advance!!!

    my boyfriend (bless him) is always trying to think of ways to make things easier. rather than hauling hot water across the street during the winter, he thought maybe we could put alcohol in the water trough to keep it from freezing? his logic was, alcohol doesn't freeze and a guiness a day is supposed to be good for horses, right? has anyone ever done this? does it work? thanks!
    My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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    Gasoline doesn't freeze either. Could try that.
    Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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    • #3
      Seriously, you've never put a beer in the freezer and forgot and came back and its frozen solid?

      Maybe you can put your vodka in the freezer and it doesn't freeze, but if there was any water in it, THAT would freeze.

      I am elucidating these things for you so that you begin to think logically. No, a beer in the horse trough isn't going to keep it from freezing.

      You need to either continuously haul water or install a heated line. Its the way of the world. Its hard and time consuming, but its gotta be done.

      I also see no reason why you can't configure your water so that you can put an electric bucket heater in your tub or trough. It always worked for me and costs about $8.00
      Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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      • #4
        How cold do you need to go? How drunk do you want your horse?

        Look here and you will find this table.

        [10% alcohol freezes at 25F/-4C]
        .

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          #5
          all very logical considerations! thanks for your kind advice.

          i can't put in electric because a) it's across the road from the house/barn and b) i don't own the field, just rent it. oh well, hot water it is. just a thought discussed at midnight :P
          My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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          • #6
            I just pulled a bag of beer soaked peas out of the freezer last night

            We use insulated troughs in the winter and deicers when it is ugly cold.

            The only real solution is to move where it is warm
            I Loff My Quarter Horse & I love Fenway Bartholomule cliques

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              #7
              Originally posted by equineartworks View Post
              I just pulled a bag of beer soaked peas out of the freezer last night

              We use insulated troughs in the winter and deicers when it is ugly cold.

              The only real solution is to move where it is warm
              gawd i wish :P

              the deicers are those things that move around, right? do those things really work?
              My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DieBlaueReiterin View Post
                all very logical considerations! thanks for your kind advice.

                i can't put in electric because a) it's across the road from the house/barn and b) i don't own the field, just rent it. oh well, hot water it is. just a thought discussed at midnight :P
                Paved road? Hm.

                At our barn they run a heater across the dirt road to the other paddock - just dig a small trench, run the cord through a piece of pvc pipe, lay a board over it to keep tire crunching to a minimum and throw the dirt back over. I'm talking a 6 inch trench scraped out with a hoe, not a ditch.

                Wouldn't work if its a public road and the snow plow is going by, etc.

                What about a solar powered heater?

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                  #9
                  it is indeed a paved, public road. i did consider installing a solar power heater, but the whole point of renting the field is to save money. thank you for the answers!
                  My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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                  • #10
                    I've heard of people stacking or stuffing manure in some sort of enclosure around the water trough so that the fermentation/composting and insulation effect slows freezing.

                    Never tried it--I would DIE without my heated auto-waterer. Or want to, anyway--frozen hoses and buckets are the WORST.
                    Click here before you buy.

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                    • #11
                      Just a thought, although I've never tried it myself....a friend of mine uses black manure buckets set into a large black inner tube to keep them stable and insulated. She keeps them in the sunny areas of the turnout. The black manure buckets and inner tubes absorb heat from the sun. This in turn keeps the water warmer than the actual air temperature. She swears this works. She also changes the water every day. FWIW....

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                      • #12
                        Last year there was some discussion of filling gallon milk jugs with salt water, then allowing them to float around in the water trough. The movement helps prevent ice from forming on the surface of the trough.

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                        • #13
                          Solar water tank designs:

                          http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects...ng.htm#Animals

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                            #14
                            wow, great ideas/suggestions! thank you so much!
                            My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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                            • #15
                              We tried just thorowing in a basket ball. The constant movement keeps the water moving, and less likely to freeze. It works most of the time, except when its like 10 F at night. But for the majority of the winter, it seems to help.

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                              • #16
                                I don't know how cold exactly it gets out there where you live. Our tanks absolutely NEED a heater when it drops below about 10 degrees (plus I have fish in one). It also gets cold enough that the heater keeps the water BELOW 'warm' but we still have to break 3" of ice twice a day (these are BIG stock tanks though)

                                BUT if the tank ices over...and its about 2" thick of ice....simply break a hole big enough for their noses and LEAVE the rest. The ice layer sort of insulates the water below. If you break ALL of the ice, it'll only ice up thicker.

                                Its perfectly fine to leave ice in the tank,,,just make sure there's somewhere for them to break through....The horses can break a thin layer of ice (like couple sheets of paper thick) but any thicker and you need to check every couple of hours.

                                Also, the smaller the tank, the quicker it freezes over. If you have a rather small tank,,,,scoop dirt and poo REALLY THICK all around it to give it insulating properties.

                                Either way, winter sucks when it comes to water troughs haha
                                Kelli
                                Horse Drawings!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Sneekers View Post
                                  Just a thought, although I've never tried it myself....a friend of mine uses black manure buckets set into a large black inner tube to keep them stable and insulated. She keeps them in the sunny areas of the turnout. The black manure buckets and inner tubes absorb heat from the sun. This in turn keeps the water warmer than the actual air temperature. She swears this works. She also changes the water every day. FWIW....
                                  Oh, duh it should. My dad used to make a section of black plastic bags full of lawn trimmings and set them on one part of the garden. Kept that area of the garden from freezing, so we could continue burying compost all winter in the fallow bed.

                                  It was warm enough under there that the worms were active and everything.

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                                  • #18
                                    we use a ball too in the tank..

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                                    • #19
                                      Back to the OP, there's a direct relationship b/w concentration of the added material (ethanol, salt, antifreeze) and the amount by which the freezing point is lowered. Think about those handy tables on the bottles of antifreeze that tell you how much to add for a certain temperature (lowering). Vodka doesn't freeze, at least in a freezer, b/c of its relatively high percent of ethanol (or proof, if you prefer, where proof = 2x the volume percent, at least in the US).

                                      I have personally opted for the warmer climate...
                                      The Evil Chem Prof

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                                      • #20
                                        Or in other words, if you put in enough ethanol to keep the trough from freezing, your horse will be hammered.
                                        Click here before you buy.

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