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  • Low Budget Ulcer Treatment

    I have a good friend who is afraid that her 3 year old filly may have ulcers. I won't go into the whole thing in depth but she's showing a lot of classic symptoms like laying down at feeding time, low interest in grain, etc... The filly is a large pony in size and has been a hard keeper also. She's on a good worming program and has her teeth cared for also. They've been trying for a while to figure it out for a while but when she laid down abruptly last night during feeding and she asked for help on our breed forum, it is clear that ulcers are the likely culprit.

    Now the issue is that like many people these days, they are on a very tight budget. She would rather treat her (within reason) than have her scoped and see if the treatment helps. I suggested she get her vet on board and see if they could help her do something within her budget and I think she's waiting to hear back from him.

    In the meanwhile...can anyone tell me what the minimum doses would be to use generic Omepramizole or Ranitadine in people for a 700 lb horse? Also, if she used Ulcerguard instead of Gastroguard, what is the dose to treat ulcers? My understanding is that Ulcerguard is not as concentrated?

    Any other ideas? Thanks!

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    DDB.. see this thread.

    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...=ulcers&page=3

    I've been giving my guy the Aloe Vera juice / Cortifles U-Guard pellets. You can get a gallon of it at Wal Mart for about $8. He gets 1/2 cup 2x day of the aloe juice in his feed. He seems to like the taste of the Aloe juice and he's also not been quite as pissy, but its only been a few weeks. The issue with Aloe Vera juice is that it has to be refrigerated. Since mine are at home, that's not a problem. I just fill several of the tiny little 4 oz Glad containers and keep them in the fridge so if anyone else has to feed they don't have to worry about measuring, etc. Just grab one of those and pour it over his feed.
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      Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
      In the meanwhile...can anyone tell me what the minimum doses would be to use generic Omepramizole
      From what I know, this will be completely wasted because of the digestive issue. That is why there's a patent on UG and GG - the omeprazole is "encapsulated" to not be torn apart before it gets where it's supposed to be

      or Ranitadine in people for a 700 lb horse?
      6.6mg/100lb. You'd really want to do this 3x a day, every 8-ish hours, but at least twice. It will take longer, like several months to get healing done, but it can be done.

      Also, if she used Ulcerguard instead of Gastroguard, what is the dose to treat ulcers? My understanding is that Ulcerguard is not as concentrated?
      They are identical. It's just that 1 is labeled for use as 1 tube/day/28-30 days as treatment, and the other (UG) is labeled for use at 1/4 tube/day as prevention. You can give 1 tube/day of the UG and do exactly the same as 1 tube/day of the GG
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      • #4
        I think the Aloe juice is comforting to their tummies, too, but it does not heal ulcers as far as I know. What my vet did was give a short course of GG and since he showed improvement so quickly within a few days, then it figured it was ulcers. But the only real way to tell is a scope.

        It becomes more expensive to play around with different remedies than to go straight to the problem and deal with it with a sure-fire way of healing them, though the GastroGuard is horribly expensive and needs a month of treatment. The GG seems to work better (don't know why) than the compounded products that are supposed to be exact copies. Tons on that on this forum.
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        • #5
          I did an 8 week course of ranitidine for my mare, it cost about $20 a week. Followed it up with a week of gastrogard and am maintaining her on u-gard. So far all is going well- my horse is so much happier, and I am happy that I saved $$$!

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            There - JB said it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mypaintwattie View Post
              I did an 8 week course of ranitidine for my mare, it cost about $20 a week. Followed it up with a week of gastrogard and am maintaining her on u-gard. So far all is going well- my horse is so much happier, and I am happy that I saved $$$!
              Just FYI, your "week of gastroguard" could have been the cheaper "week of ulcerguard" Just in case there's a next time
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
                I think the Aloe juice is comforting to their tummies, too, but it does not heal ulcers as far as I know. What my vet did was give a short course of GG and since he showed improvement so quickly within a few days, then it figured it was ulcers. But the only real way to tell is a scope.

                It becomes more expensive to play around with different remedies than to go straight to the problem and deal with it with a sure-fire way of healing them, though the GastroGuard is horribly expensive and needs a month of treatment. The GG seems to work better (don't know why) than the compounded products that are supposed to be exact copies. Tons on that on this forum.

                I agree here to some extent, but was just pointing the OP to the thread and answering her question about less expensive alternatives to try.

                In the case of my guy, his appetitie and weight are excellent, and his lifestyle is low stress. 24/7 turnout with a buddy and free choice hay. Possibly even too much food and not enough work, which can be just as stressful for an OTTB as a hectic show schedule. He's just been pissy. If he were off feed or looking generally unthrifty, I'd have had him scoped and somehow choked down the $$ for GG. But as long as he's keeping good weight/appetitie/and energy, I have the luxury of experimenting.
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                  Originally posted by JB View Post
                  Just FYI, your "week of gastroguard" could have been the cheaper "week of ulcerguard" Just in case there's a next time
                  I gave the full tubes of ulcergard- the same thing as a full tube of gastrogard. I've found that by saying ulcergard alot of times people think you are giving the listed dose of 1/4 a tube, so I always say gastrogard. The price on each is about the same if you are giving the entire tube. I did it just to be certain that the ranitidine got everything. I give the 1/4 dose when I have her in a stressful environment such as shows or trailering.

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                  • #10
                    You need to ask around, but race track peeps back in the day fed baking soda. No clue as to how much or how well it worked.
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                      Thanks! I passed the info on to my friend. :-)

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                      • #12
                        I am trying out a product called Equishure for my 2. I don't think it is supposed to heal ulcers, but it is encapsulated baking soda and is used for "hind gut acidosis". My mare was on the Ulcerguard for 1.5 months and worked very well. I am hoping the new product will be the "maintenance" If not, I will go to the ranitidine.

                        I don't know where to find the study, but a great vet in GA, said for aloe vera juice to actually heal the ulcer (don't quote me on what was said, I am getting older...) it would need to be given at least 1-2 months at I believe 1 cup twice daily. I wish it had been effective for my mare as it is definitely cheaper. And I have heard can work very well when given religiously.

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                        • #13
                          When I got Kat, my wonderful old Trak mare, she had been on stall rest and antibiotics/anti-inflams of some form or another for EIGHTEEN MONTHS. Can you say ulcer city?

                          At the time there was just a study out my vet had read about TBs, saying that free choice forage was *as effective* as other treatments. Not as fast, but as effective.

                          Sure enough, within 3 weeks or so of ALWAYS having hay in front of her, and low starch/high fat/high fiber feed (TC Sr. & beep with oil ) in small amounts, her appetite and weight began to pick up. She went from a fussy eater who hated to be *touched*, to a love who adored a good curry looked forward to her feed with gusto in about 3 months.

                          The first time I had to board her for AI, she got ulcery acting again. I used Dynamite's Miracle Clay. Helped immediately. From then on I dosed her prophylactically with Miracle Clay 2x/day whenever we were doing something stressfull.

                          When she retained placenta and had to be on high doses of bute, I used MSM at 20g per dose of bute, and 2cups of Aloe Juice in a small beep mash about 20 minutes before buting. She never got an upset tummy despite a LOT of bute and antibiotics, and newborn at side etc.

                          I'd start with the Miracle Clay personally. It's very cost effective.

                          DynaPro seemed to help a LOT too.
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                          • #14
                            I know this is going to come up again and again, but

                            I had a very long conversation with one of my vets (sad I have so many) last week about Gastrogard (or the full tube Ulcergard) and if we should use doxycycline at the same time too. Disclaimer: This is second hand and a half hour conversation greatly condensed and of course not what he'd recommend for your horse w/out diagnostics, but here is what I recall:

                            When in vet school he was doing a large study on the effects of steroid and non-steroid pain killers (alone, combined, etc.). Consequently and unforseen, most of the horses were dropping out of the study before it was over due to ulcers. They talked to Merial (Ulcergard didn't exist at this point) and started them on Gastrogard. His research assistant also scoped the horses every day.

                            Day one they (all or mostly) had BLEEDING ulcers, but by day three the ulcers had stopped bleeding and pink tissue was in place. By one week the ulcers were mostly gone. He questioned Merial because the dosage is for 30 days. The response was that that was necessary to get FDA approval for "treatment" as there is the horse who is going to require 30 or more than 30 days. Anyway, he kept doing his study and his assistant really got into her on-the-side study on the ulcers, by playing with reduced dosage, etc. (she discovered that a quarter tube from the get go prevented ulcers and this was also discussed with Merial).

                            Long story short, based on our discussion and per his advice, I'm dosing my horse at a half tube of Ulcergard ($29) a day for five days and then going a quarter tube every other day for two weeks. The results have been immediate and dramatic (I tried 1/2 c of aloe 2x a day and slippery elm for a week first, and anicdotally think they may have helped a tiny bit).
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                            • #15
                              Our yearling filly was having issues that led us to believe that she may have ulcers. Our vet recommended 2,000mg 2x a day for a month, and she weighs about 650lbs.

                              We got the OTC 2 packs of ranitidine at Costco, 4 of those packs lasted for a month (ended up costing about $40), and they are small enough that we were able to just mix them in with some grain and she ate them right up. Now we have her on u-guard to help prevent them from coming back.
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                              • #16
                                A super cost-effective quick fix is pepto. It's a little embarassing buying 4 big jugs at Wal-Mart, but 1 big size jar in the AM and 1 in the PM got my horse to start eating again.

                                My horse then went on generic Gastrogard for 10 days followed by the supplement Tractgard for the next 3 years.

                                When my horse started having a lot of trouble last year we put him on a compounded omeprazole powder to eliminate the threat of ulcers since he had a history of them. There's been some discussion about Gastrogard having the special coating but I talked to my sister who is a pharmacist and she said that the individual grains in a compounded powder should be enteric coated. My vet agreed and has seen excellent results with horses on the track. I mix my powder with flaxseed oil because it's a lipid soluble drug and administer the oil/omeprazole mix orally via 12 cc syringe.

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                                • #17
                                  We use colandula (marigold tops) to treat the horses we get in that may have ulcers. Works really well. $10 for a lb of it and you just do a handful a day, usually do it till 2lbs are gone.

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                                  • #18
                                    Alfalfa hay and beet pulp will also help. Before we had all the wonderful treatments that we are so fortunate to have today, this is what I used on a TB mare who obviously had ulcers. That and turning her out 24/7.

                                    It seemed to work pretty well.

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                                      • #20
                                        I used this website: http://www.lunatunesfreestyles.com/horse_ulcers.htm. I used the omeprazole from PonyMeds for two weeks and then used her recommended "post treatment"/maintenance routine (brewer's yeast, chlorophyll, peppermint oil, l-glutamine, oat flour) and my guy has been infinitely better.

                                        Additionally, right before I ride he gets 4 cups of alfalfa pellets and about 80 cc's of Mylanta. HUGE difference. There have been a few rides when I have forgotten the Mylanta, boy he let me know about it.

                                        I am another one who did not scope for ulcers, but instead tried Mylanta to see if that helped and, when it did BIG time, started treating using more monetarily efficient methods. My trainer and chiropractor were both shocked at the quick improvement my guy made.

                                        I have to say, I am not a holistic/homeopathic person and generally don't put much stock in methods that come off that way. Give me the drugs everytime. But this works for my guy and it is more cost effective so I keep doing it. I keep tubes of gastroguard on hand to give him when we show or trailer places, just because I feel better giving him a little something that in my mind is stronger, but he has never indicated a need for it, the protocol I use works great for him.

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