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  • IR & Pedal Osteitis

    Ok hoping I can get some info from you guys that deal with IR horses. I will give a quick overview of what has been going on since May of this yr.

    Old/TB event horse 12 yrs old never, and I mean never, been lame a day in his life. Suddenly goes off during a XC school end of may, left front. Give him time off because nothing else shows up (lameness exam wise) slightly off here and there all summer long. During the summer take him to a very well respected equine clinic and they cant find anything in his left front to warrant x-rays. Clinic x-rays hocks and finds some slight, but in their words, "really clean hocks for a 12 yr old" changes so they inject the right hock. Give him the prescribed time off, start to work again slowly, but a little walk trot, then canter, he is sound and remains sound for a couple of weeks until he has his feet done! Now he is very lame and visably sore (this is a horse that has a very high tollerance to pain, which is what has made this entire ordeal so very difficult to diagnose) So call the vet back and I say x-ray the left front. Findings are PO now I KNOW that is only a symptom of something else, I have been wracking my brains trying to figure out why this has happened, and how I can manage it from becoming any worse!

    Recently in my research Iam finding that horses with IR can have/cause changes in the coffin bone!? My horse does have all the fat type and in places that they describe. I know from the research that this time of yr is not the best to have him tested, so I was wondering if someone could reccommend a diet that has worked for them, he IS A VERY EASY KEEPER, and currently is eating 3 lbs of BS trotter, and is hayed 4 times a day, usually a timothy grass mix, or a second cut grass hay. He also gets Cosequin ASU, MSM pellets, and Smartsox. He has been sound now for about a month. I think because of a combination of the supplements and the changes we have made in his shoeing, but Iam wondering now if being IR has caused this all to happen?

    I was thinking maybe replacing his grain with beet pulp, but Iam worried he wont be getting the correct vit/min that he needs???

    What do you guys think???

    TIA

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    test for insulin

    Only testing for ACTH or Cushing's might be falsely elevated at this time of year. You can test insulin any time. Sounds like you should be doing that, ASAP. Meantime, start soaking hay and restricting pasture as this is a bad time for high sugar grass.
    Katy
    Are you feeding your horse like a cow? www.safergrass.org

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      #3
      thanks!

      Ok didnt know that I could test for insulin now, sometimes in the reading and researching my head begins to ache

      This is one issue I have not had to deal with in all my horse exp/life!

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        Look for low-NSC feeds. They are out there. You don't want feed with molasses.

        Check out Katy's web site: www.safergrass.org. It's in her sig line, but she didn't refer to it directly.
        "Passion without knowledge is a runaway horse."

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          #5
          Vet will be here next wed to test. I will soak hay, we dont have pasture around here so thats not a problem, I will get some sugar free treats as well, I dont think "No treats" is a possibility

          Can you tell me what NSC means or stands for?

          Thanks!

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          • #6
            What about evaluating his hoof balance?

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              If you mean angles and having a balanced hoof that has been done, we went to keeping him at tha angle he was at when his foot was growing out, because he was the most sound about 2 weeks prior to having his feet done, hope that makes sense. We also went to an aluminum shoe with a gel pad. I trust my farrier, probably more than the vets, he keeps up with everything shoeing related, he is anal about his work!

              I think that is why he is sound now a combination of the shoeing changes, and the supplements.

              Iam now wanting to find answers for why this happened and so it wont continue to happen, that is when I started to think maybe the IR has something to do with it, along with his body condition.

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                Does your horse have one low-angle foot and one steep foot? If so, I'd bet the low-angle, flat foot is the one with PO. One would think you farrier would shoe him with pads to reduce concussion and protect the bottom of the coffin bone.

                I had a very flat footed horse that I suspect had PO at one point. When I got him, his walls and soles appeared to be very thin, and his soles were convex. Even though I got his feet in much better shape with a tiny bit of concavity, he was never comfortable ridden without hoof protection. I used boots. On rocky surfaces he did better in boots with pads.
                "Passion without knowledge is a runaway horse."

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                  Originally posted by matryoshka View Post
                  Does your horse have one low-angle foot and one steep foot? If so, I'd bet the low-angle, flat foot is the one with PO. One would think you farrier would shoe him with pads to reduce concussion and protect the bottom of the coffin bone.

                  I had a very flat footed horse that I suspect had PO at one point. When I got him, his walls and soles appeared to be very thin, and his soles were convex. Even though I got his feet in much better shape with a tiny bit of concavity, he was never comfortable ridden without hoof protection. I used boots. On rocky surfaces he did better in boots with pads.
                  Well Like I said in my previous post, he is being shod with gel pads and aluminum shoes. He shows absolutely no signs in his right front, as he does with the left front, he is VERY sensitive to the hoof testers, on the left foot.

                  His sole thickness is very good and he does not have thin walls. Luckily he has and always has had GREAT feet.

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                    Originally posted by QuillcoteFarm View Post
                    Can you tell me what NSC means or stands for?

                    Thanks!
                    non-structural carbohydrates

                    I am really limited as to feed choices in my area, so I feed pelleted rice bran to my I-R horse as it is 20% healthy fat. That means I have to add a vit/min supplement, which is also pelleted because my horse eats the pellets better.

                    If the vet's conclusion is that the horse is I-R/EMS, that means nothing with oats, corn, molasses or soy.


                    I got this in my e-newletter from TheHorse.com that might help you regarding testing

                    http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=15029
                    Last edited by walkinthewalk; Oct. 21, 2009, 06:01 PM. Reason: Add I-R article from TheHorse.com

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                      Originally posted by QuillcoteFarm View Post
                      Well Like I said in my previous post, he is being shod with gel pads and aluminum shoes. He shows absolutely no signs in his right front, as he does with the left front, he is VERY sensitive to the hoof testers, on the left foot.
                      Was his right front x-rayed? Where is he sensitive (heel, toe, frog)?

                      His sole thickness is very good and he does not have thin walls.
                      What is the exact sole thickness in mm?

                      Luckily he has and always has had GREAT feet.
                      Well, obviously there's something wrong with at least the left. PO can be the result of mechanically uncorrected founder but you'd definitely see other signs if that were the case. Most often it is caused by incorrect trimming and shoeing resulting in toe first landings.

                      I would love to see any studies that prove IR without laminitis can cause PO severe enough to show up on a radiograph.

                      If you're feeling brave, post pics of his feet (front, sides, soles). Be sure the camera is on the ground when you snap the shots except for the sole views.

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