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WTH do I do with this mare now? WE HAVE A DIAGNOSIS...and it aint good!! PG 2

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    WTH do I do with this mare now? WE HAVE A DIAGNOSIS...and it aint good!! PG 2

    My TB is having some issues with her right fore. She had a corn dug out this summer, and was fine. Started training early Sept, and now that we're into things, (on the flat) she's off. No head bobbing or anything, just a MAJOR lack of flexion. No heat, no ringbone bumbs, no swelling. Doesnt appear to be in pain per se, but doesnt work out of it.

    My mare I had as a kid had a hitch in her trot. This reminds me of THAT.
    The vet is coming tomorrow for my fistulous withers patient, and I will have him Xray her too.

    But honestly I dont know if I can do this. I knew there was a risk buying her-long story-but the heartache (and wallet ache) from my gelding has worn me VERY thin. I can't put a ton of cash in the TB...I'm upset, worried, mad at myself.
    I purchased her in July following my geldings big surgery. Reason being, if I lost him (and we arent out of the woods *quite* yet) and I didn't have another horse, I would be done. Finite. No more horses for LBM.

    The vet warned that when I really started working her, SOMETHING would come up, as racehorses are generally a bag of medical tricks.

    Any ideas? comforting words? I damn near burst into tears on the way home from the barn tonight. My heart can't take anymore sick!
    Last edited by LittleblackMorgan; Oct. 16, 2009, 04:35 PM. Reason: diagnosis

    #2
    No ideas but Jingles for you and the gelding and the mare. Maybe turn her out for the winter and let nature correct "whatever" ~ if that is possible ? ~ but cut down on expenses and get her out of sight a little bit????? You sound worn out !!!
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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      #3
      Thanks Zu Zu. I had just lined up a stall at a farm with an indoor to continue the training. My trainer said to think about NOT moving her and letting her rest for the winter. But she has no stall, only a paddock, in NEW ENGLAND. And it costs the same I'm paying now to move her. Ugh, my nerves are so F*%^$&* fried I can't even think straight about this.

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        #4
        I'm sorry. It sounds like a miserable year for you.

        I second turning the mare out for the winter. Is there any place you can take her with pasture and shelter? If you're not looking for fancy riding facilities, there has to be something around.

        Good luck!
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          #5
          It sounds like she might just need to see the chiro.

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            #6
            Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
            Thanks Zu Zu. I had just lined up a stall at a farm with an indoor to continue the training. My trainer said to think about NOT moving her and letting her rest for the winter. But she has no stall, only a paddock, in NEW ENGLAND. And it costs the same I'm paying now to move her. Ugh, my nerves are so F*%^$&* fried I can't even think straight about this.
            I agree with your trainer, give yourself and your wallet a rest for the winter!

            I mean, if you're really worried about her being too cold (which is justified) why don't you put the money you'd put into winter board into buying one of those modular shelters (you can get a simple 12x12 for a little over 1k in most places).

            I've had 5 OTTBs in my life (i'm a 1 or 2 horse at a time kinda girl so I don't go through horses very fast) and they've ALL benefited from having a winter off. I pull the shoes and just let them CHILL. They've all come out fresh and sounder in the spring.
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              #7
              I am thinking of the winter rest too. she's getting her xrays this afternoon, but she still has to move. I cant do one of those shelters for her-no room in the paddock-and the poor beast has zero winter coat. She's been blanketed for a week now with the colder than usual weather up here.

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                #8
                Invest your money in a good blanket or two and turn her out. She should be fine as long as she has some sort of windbreak and plenty of good quality hay.
                "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                  #9
                  I bought her a nice Weathabeeta mid weight, waterproof, and a chill chaser for underneath. At the current farm she doesnt have anything but a crap canopy I put up for the summer rain. We had a stall available, but the BO gave it away to a new boarder. She's moving to another farm with a run-in and paddock (obviously, duh LOL) which is a permanent structure, for $100 less than I am paying now, or there is an indoor stall available for the same cost. BO doesnt want the horse to leave.

                  I hope the xrays find just arthritis. Is arthritis workable? She is only 8. Injections? Supps? I want to do flat work only, and breed her in the future.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
                    It sounds like she might just need to see the chiro.
                    ditto. I've seen many subtle lamenesses helped by a chiro

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                      #11
                      I can sympathize...one of my horses had a deep bruise/corn that developed in June '08, and he is still not completely sound. He has very acceptable xrays, and tight tendons, and minimal arthritic changes in his joints, so there is no particular 'reason' that he sould be sore, other than that he is tenderfooted. I have done a year of bar shoes and various pads that provided relief, but still didn't fix the problem.

                      So last month, I officially declared a moratorium on attempting to work him, and pulled his shoes. The first couple weeks were pretty tough to watch, as he was very sore. Now, though, his feet have started to toughen up and reshape themselves (he does see the farrier about once every two weeks) and I can see a good trend developing. He will stay out as much as possible this winter, which will be quite a lot, and next spring, I'll see what, if any, level of work he'll go back to doing.

                      In the meantime, there are no guarantees with these animals. The time we are able to spend with them is a gift, but disaster could be right around the corner. No sense losing your mind over it, that's just the way it is. Enjoy the good days, but don't take the bad ones too much to heart. There is a lot else going on in the world that needs our attention these days, after all.
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                        #12
                        A chiro for lower leg lameness? Its an issue of flexion. As in, when the right fore strikes the ground, instead of the fetlock area (I am so bad at body part names...that could be wrong) giving and flexing into the motion, it remains stiff and awkward. Most noticible at the walk, not so much at the trot. No head bobbing, just short-stepping. Its been on again off again, and we had a nasty cold snap that brought it out big time, which leads me to believe it is arthritic.

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                          So it COULD still be the corn? The vet dug it out back in July. She's wearing wedges up front (those tendons screamed when she had flats on) and its a project to even get to the corn area (ie, the pad blocks the whole area)

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                            Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
                            A chiro for lower leg lameness? Its an issue of flexion. As in, when the right fore strikes the ground, instead of the fetlock area (I am so bad at body part names...that could be wrong) giving and flexing into the motion, it remains stiff and awkward. Most noticible at the walk, not so much at the trot. No head bobbing, just short-stepping. Its been on again off again, and we had a nasty cold snap that brought it out big time, which leads me to believe it is arthritic.
                            That may not be an inability to flex the joint, but rather a reluctance to bear full weight on the limb.
                            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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                              I'm sorry to hear about your problems. You might want to go read this thread http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11212

                              The discussion may have some useful info for you and your horse. Good luck with the xrays.

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                                #16
                                Does her fetlock look normal when she's standing squarely on all four feet? Can you manually hyperextend her fetlock? In other words, if you pick her leg up, pull it out in front of her and leverage the toe, with the knee straight, does it stretch as far as if you do the same with the opposite foreleg? What about flexion? If you pick up each front leg and attempt to flex her felock joint (foot toward the tendon area), does each front fetlock joint flex the same?
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                                  #17
                                  I'm so sorry about your problems - I know how hard horses can be, and I've certainly had my share of suicide attempts from them.

                                  Depending on the xrays and your vets thoughts, I'd be tempted to pull the shoes - get her a proper barefoot trim, and turn her out for a couple months on field board. I'd also suggest working with a nutritionist to make sure all her needs are being met and give her the best shot at growing plenty of healthy hoof during her break.

                                  Good luck - and hang in there!

                                  Some of the photos on that link (riding posted) looked really odd to me. http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...ntralis019.jpg like the upward bend in the coronary band in the center of this hoof. What causes that?
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                                    Originally posted by JackieBlue View Post
                                    Does her fetlock look normal when she's standing squarely on all four feet? Can you manually hyperextend her fetlock? In other words, if you pick her leg up, pull it out in front of her and leverage the toe, with the knee straight, does it stretch as far as if you do the same with the opposite foreleg? What about flexion? If you pick up each front leg and attempt to flex her felock joint (foot toward the tendon area), does each front fetlock joint flex the same?
                                    There is marked flexion issues with the right fore when flexed under the body (as in a true flexion test). The left is not as bad. The right showed improvement over time, and has gone backwards as of late.

                                    She does stand squarely on all 4. I have not hyper extended her forward with the leg, though I will today. Upon initial examination, the vet said that there was sign of old injury. Did not elaborate further than that-I did not do a PPE on her (she was bought for $600...a sad case she was) but had a phsyical done on her the month I brought her home. Had an issue with the right hind stifle area (the muscle, not bone/joint) Hand walking, kept quiet in a stall and used Surpass for a 10 days 2x a day. That cleared up. I believe it was a case of steroids and god knows what else leaving the system...

                                    On bute there is a marked differance in the horse (or was, I should say). Personality perked up. That was this summer.

                                    Last night she was fresh on the lunge, squealing, baby-bucks and lots of forward movement. Of course I lunged both ways for only 10 minutes, the offness did not improve.

                                    Appetite astounding, loves her hay and gets 2qts BS Vintage Performer per day. Recently wormed, on Cosequin as well.

                                    And thank you for that link Ridingalldays. Very informative.

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                                      #19
                                      I would probably pull her shoes and turn her out. If she is barefoot it's much easier to fix these types of problems because you can keep going in there and trimming.
                                      If the barn with the stall costs the same it might not be a bad idea to have that option. She will get turnout there as well?

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                                        #20
                                        I have no ideas to offer about what could be wrong.

                                        But since your nerves are worn, give yourself a break and put Baby out for the winter. It's to dang cold to ride anyhow.

                                        Breathe. Though it does not sound good, it does not sound really bad either.

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