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    #61
    Hmmmm........

    I'll have to have a talk with my vet about this. I don't want to feel like I am feeding them expensive alfalfa treats....
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      #62
      Is there any support for giving the Panacur - or other dewormers - at a certain time of day? For example, my horse gets her grain in the morning before turnout, but she doesn't really touch the roundbale in the pasture so she's not eating much of anything for several hours. Would it be better to dose her when she comes in for the evening when she will have hay in front of her or is what's in her stomach irrelevant?

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        #63
        From Dr. Judith Shoemker's website:

        Panacur is an important treatment for all your pets, because of its immune stimulating and antifungal/antiyeast effects.

        10 TIMES PANACUR WORMING REGIME

        What: Treating the horse with a dose of Panacur (fenbendazole 10%, 100mg/g) at a rate of 10mg/kg per day for 5 days. This equals 2 small tubes per day for 5 days for an 1,100 pound horse, or 1 Powerpac tube per day for 5 days. Also available in granules that can be given in feed, or mixed with applesauce and dosed.

        When: In the spring (April/May) and in the fall (October/November).

        Indications: For the control of large strongyles, small strongyles, pinworms, ascarids, and arteritis caused by the 4 stage larvae of Strongylus vulgaris. Panacur is particularly effective against encysted strongyles- more effective than Ivermectin or Quest. Panacur also acts as an immune system stimulant (by stimulating the bone marrow); it is antifungal and a gut astringent. It is also effective against chronic low-grade Candida yeast and many fungal infections. It is a very effective treatment for ulcers of the esophagus, stomach and gut. It can act as a facilitator for antibiotics and white blood cells to penetrate scar tissue and chronically infected tissue.

        Side Effects: Skin may break out, legs may swell, horse may go off grain feed, abcesses in feet may localize and resolve; horses may be reactive to vaccinations given at the same time- it is best to vaccinate 30 days before or after 10X Panacur. All these are positive signs that the immune system is dealing with unresolved problems.

        Schedule:
        Dec/Jan 1X Ivermectin for bots
        Feb/March 2X Strongid P for tapeworms
        April/May 10X Panacur as described above
        June/July 1X Strongid
        Aug/September 1X Anthelcide different class of chemical
        Oct/Nov 10X Panacur as described above.

        The dose of Ivermectin should be given after the first HARD frost of the winter. The dose of 2X Strongid P should be given after the middle of February. This protocol uses as little Ivermectin as possible to minimize the effects on neurohormonal balance and the possible hepatoxic effects of the chemical. Because it is so effective against bots, its inclusion once a year justifies the risk of complication.

        http://www.judithshoemaker.com/RefDo...ming_horse.pdf

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          #64
          Originally posted by cartera45 View Post
          Is there any support for giving the Panacur - or other dewormers - at a certain time of day? For example, my horse gets her grain in the morning before turnout, but she doesn't really touch the roundbale in the pasture so she's not eating much of anything for several hours. Would it be better to dose her when she comes in for the evening when she will have hay in front of her or is what's in her stomach irrelevant?
          It's my preference to do anything like this in the morning on a weekday. At least I know my vets are out working and not either sleeping or out in the middle of a lake fishing should anything go wrong such as an allergic reaction Plus I think of it like carrying an umbrella when it might rain - it surely will rain if you don't have one
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            #65
            Dec/Jan 1X Ivermectin for bots
            Feb/March 2X Strongid P for tapeworms
            April/May 10X Panacur as described above
            June/July 1X Strongid
            Aug/September 1X Anthelcide different class of chemical
            Oct/Nov 10X Panacur as described above.


            With this schedule, does the notation mean "Dec/Jan"...in BOTH months worm with Ivermectin? Or is either/or...in Either December or January, worm with Ivermectin?

            Thanks for the clarification...

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              #66
              Originally posted by Fence2Fence View Post
              Dec/Jan 1X Ivermectin for bots
              Feb/March 2X Strongid P for tapeworms
              April/May 10X Panacur as described above
              June/July 1X Strongid
              Aug/September 1X Anthelcide different class of chemical
              Oct/Nov 10X Panacur as described above.


              With this schedule, does the notation mean "Dec/Jan"...in BOTH months worm with Ivermectin? Or is either/or...in Either December or January, worm with Ivermectin?

              Thanks for the clarification...
              I believe this means either/or........Meaning in December OR January use Ivermectin. Just for clarification, Dr. Shoemaker is in PA. I have no idea if this schedule is tailored to location, you should probably check with her or your vet to be sure.

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                #67
                not that you asked ME but i think it means either /or...
                I have heard, and not from one person, that daily wormer is NOT a good idea. The 1st person that told me is someone I respect greatly with his horse knowledge, so stopped then. After I stopped giving it (and I got comments because my guy was in a smartpak catalogue which had everything I gave him!), i had numerous people tell me it wasn't a good idea. I do like the idea of rotation- somehow makes me feel like I am doing more for them...
                Thanks for the abv schedule! VERY appreciated!

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                  #68
                  Vet has tailored our worming program.

                  I just find it fascinating that schedules and recommendations can vary so much.

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                    #69
                    New studies are showing a growing parasite resistance to daily dewormers. Horses are being found to have LARGE infestations despite being daily dewormed for years. Entire farms are showing resistance.
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