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5-day Panacur - necessary or relic of the past?

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  • 5-day Panacur - necessary or relic of the past?

    Is it still necessary to do a 5-day Panacur or with the advent of moxidectin & praziquantel in the rotation, is it a relic of the past?
    "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." - The Little Prince

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    It is still necessary unless you use moxidectin (Quest). Praz only gets tapes.

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    • #3
      5 day dosing of panacur is still very applicable. Moxidectin and pyrantal act in different ways chemically to kill the parasites. Therefore sometimes we run both through a horse that we know has a significant problem. Resistance to dewormers can come partially from using only one product, thus the purpose in rotation.

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      • #4
        I don't worm my if foal mares close to foaling, 3months or less, so I use the 5 day panacur with them. Also won't do foals less than 8 months so if it's that time, I will use the 5 day panacur with them. Also any horse that comes to me in bad condition with get 5 day panacur and a double dose of strongid on the 6th day, then move into the rotating schedule. Be very careful with Equest as it is easy to overdose on it unlike the other wormers out there. I use a weight tape which a lot of people think is crap, but it's better than guessing.
        Terri
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        • #5
          A 5-day dose of Panacur (fenbendazole) is not for tapes. It's for trying to purge the horse of a higher load of most parasites without whomping him with the stronger ivermectin, or when regular ivermectin hasn't done the job.

          You may be thinking of the double dose (double the normal dose, at one time) of pyrantel pamoate (ie strongid paste) for tapes. That is the "old" method, not approved until recently. Now it has been recognized as an acceptable way to deal with tapes, and has been packaged into a new product, though I forget the name. You dose according to the horse's weight, but the paste you deliver is double-strength, so you get the same effect as a double dose.

          The newer (to horses) chemical praziquantel is also for tapes, and supposedly a bit more effective than the pp.
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            Take 2

            There seems to be some confusion, so let me rephrase my question.

            With all the new drugs on the market, is it still relevant to include a 5-day fenbendazole regimine in the context of a ROTATIONAL deworming schedule?
            "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." - The Little Prince

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            • #7
              I think for the most part, unless you see a need to - can't quite put on a few extra pounds, the hair looks dull, "hay belly" - and can't otherwise explain the issue, then it's not necessary. Some folks will still swear you need to on a yearly basis. I never have in 20 years. But, it does make a difference in some cases, it's just not something I think you automatically have to do.
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              • #8
                It is necessary unless you use a moxidectin product like Quest because that is currently, as far as I know and have read and have had my vet tell me, the only way (other than Quest) to treat for encysted small strongyles.

                I don't use Quest and won't because of the high lethal dose so therefore all my animals get a 5 day double dose treatment of fenbendazole once a year and follow their regular rotation.

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                • #9
                  Unless you include larvicidal doses of fenbendazole or moxidectin in your rotation, standard rotational worming protocols will do nothing for encysted small strongyles.

                  Therefore, I think 5-day larvicidal fendbendazole is very relevant. I refuse to use moxidectin due to its narrow safety margin - as a vet I've seen way to many train wrecks with the stuff to feel comfortable using it or recommending it. That leaves fendbendazole as the only choice for larvicidal treatment of encysted strongyles.

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                  • #10
                    If I could hijack a little. Is there an upper age limit to using the 5 dose package? I have a 24 year old TB who eats heartily, but is struggling to maintain weight. I know that their digestive system becomes less efficient with age, but I was thinking that it might not hurt to give her the 5 day dose. I have hesitated because of the possible effects on an oldster.
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                    • #11
                      The vet who gave the presentation I attended on equine emergencies - Dr. Harold McKenzie of the Marion Dupont Equine Center - is recommending the 5 day Panacur. He says he is seeing more and more cases of worm overload from the small encysted strongyles (Cyathostomes). I'd have to check my notes, but I believe he recommends it once a year in the spring.

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                      • #12
                        I did the 5 day treatment to a 24 year old mare who could not put on weight no matter how much of anything was fed to her. It made a miraculous difference in her weight gain. This mare had been on regular and faithful worming schedule all her life. Panacur is a good treatment for ulcers, also;I suspect that was culprit in her weight gain problem, more than anything else. But is the one treatment that I can attest worked on the old girl, for whatever the reason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ponyjumper4 View Post
                          all my animals get a 5 day double dose treatment of fenbendazole once a year
                          Do you really mean a 5 day double dose? Or just 5 consecutive days of a normal dose for their weight?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JB View Post
                            Do you really mean a 5 day double dose? Or just 5 consecutive days of a normal dose for their weight?
                            I believe that is what a Powerpak is- a double dose, for 5 days. Its a standby of mine- each horse, every year!

                            and yes, I also double dose strongid- its all part of my rotational worming program! :-)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JB View Post
                              Do you really mean a 5 day double dose? Or just 5 consecutive days of a normal dose for their weight?
                              The larvicidal dose is twice the normal dose given 5 days in a row.

                              In other words, the regular dose of Panacur/Safeguard is 5 mg/kg once. The larvicidal dose is 10 mg/kg x 5 days.

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                              • #16
                                Yes, a real double dose according to weight. Panacur made the 5 day "power pak" where each tube is the equivalent of 2 regular tubes so you don't have to hassle with as many tubes. That puts it at dose strong, but safely enough to treat encysted small strongyles. There is no known lethal dose of fenbendazole so that is the safest way to treat for it.

                                My guys are late for it this year because I have read that this treatment has not been tested on pregnant mares, so I'll probably wait until after she foals to do everyone, or I'll do the others before she drops that bundle of joy.

                                and yes, I also double dose strongid- its all part of my rotational worming program! :-)
                                I do the same as well!

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                                • #17
                                  I powerpak my broodies every year during the last 3 months of their pregnancy - no problems yet.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Louise View Post
                                    If I could hijack a little. Is there an upper age limit to using the 5 dose package? I have a 24 year old TB who eats heartily, but is struggling to maintain weight. I know that their digestive system becomes less efficient with age, but I was thinking that it might not hurt to give her the 5 day dose. I have hesitated because of the possible effects on an oldster.

                                    When we get the ocassional half starved horse in our hands, our vet recommends the Power Pack for them, once they are stable.
                                    Some have been at best guess in their mid 20's, if not older.
                                    Never had one bad reaction to that, but asking your vet, that knows your horse, would be best.

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                                      #19
                                      Thanks!!!

                                      Thanks, you guys are the best! My horses look good - good weight, shiny coats (they'd better be with all the elbow grease I have invested!), etc. Just want to keep the GI tracts happy too.

                                      Funny, I never knew that the 5-day routine was supposed to be a double dose. So I guess I've never done it 'right.' OOPS!
                                      "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." - The Little Prince

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                                      • #20
                                        When is the best timeto do a PowerPak for the encysted strongyles?

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