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  • Lymes Support Clique?

    Well, I started the Buzz man on his IV Oxy 10 today, and I feel so bad for the big guy. He was such a star when the vet put his catheter in, didn't bat an eye, even for the suturing! But he was a bit down, probably the Lyme itself, not the treatment, but he got MASSIVE amounts of treats during the whole thing! Even the vet stopped and got him a peppermint, since he was so good!

    Any words of wisdom from people who have been through it? I had a horse here go through the whole thing, and she's ok, but I still feel bad for him... :frown:
    I give the truth scope!

  • #2
    Hey Sir:

    I'm treating Finn for Lymes, but using Doxy for 4 months.

    Is the vet coming out every day or are you administering the drug yourself?

    how much is this costing if you don't mind my asking.

    Are you using Pine Bush?

    Thanks

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    • #3
      I totally know what you're going through. Kiwayu has had Lyme 3x so far in the past 1.5 years. The IV OxyTet was the only thing that worked for us. Even having the vet come everyday for 10 days was cheaper! The sooner you treat the better. Kiwayu now has the WORST arthritis from the Lyme. It just stinks.

      We really should have a Lymes support group!
      Kristen

      Kiwayu & Figiso Pictures:
      http://community.webshots.com/user/kiwayu

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      • #4
        Pilgrim is 15 days into his tetracycline treatment. I have started doing light conditioning work, mainly just a short walk around the block. He is so happy to get out and so far he seems sound. Good luck!
        Lori T
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        www.facebook.com/LoriTankelPhotography
        www.facebook.com/LTEquine for product updates on the lines I rep

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          #5
          Irishcas,
          I'm administering the drug myself (although vet did first treatment to make sure he didn't react and everything went in smoothly), as he has a catheter, so no needles, no having to find the vein everytime, etc.

          I haven't gotten my bill yet, so no clue, but I figure that it's cheaper than having my horse be lame for the rest of his life!!

          No, I don't like Pine Bush, I use Katie Gould (ex-Pine Bush vet) from Mid-Hudson Equine.

          He's on OxyTet 2x daily for 2 weeks, then a month of Doxy. I can start working him again in about a month... At least it's the winter, and I don't really want to ride for the next month or so!!
          I give the truth scope!

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          • #6
            What made you think to test for Lyme's. I'm compiling symptoms and am finding it exhibits in more sublte ways than just joint issues.

            What was his titer? Finn's was 474.

            I was just curious about the cost, not to say not to do it, just wondering I'm using a holistic vet from Virigina. He likes the Doxy treatment over the Oxy/Tet. But I'm starting to wonder.

            I won't switch treatments mid stream I'll see this thru to the end. Then test in 4 months or so. If I need to then I'll try your method. I know Kiwayu wen thru this more than once and is sounds like her horse was helped with the treatment you are on. When does your vet recommend that you retest?

            I also have him on a blend of Chinese Herbs for help with building his immune system.

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            • #7
              I would HIGHLY recommend Chiropractic/massage therapy in conjunction with the meds. Lyme seems to create an overall "achy" body and these therapies can help them feel better while the drugs are kicking in.

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              • #8
                Pilgrim's titer was something like 460. I had a chiro out last week for him and we started riding him this week, just 15 min every other day at the walk. He seems better!
                His signs were intermittent lameness, usually, but not always the left side, both back and front. He could come in for breakfast and canter up to the gate just fine, and then 20 minutes later come out of his stall 3 legged. Once he appeared to really be going downhill. He was acting like he couldn't see, was depressed and lame. That was when I found a tick and an abcess which got me wondering about tick diseases. After I pulled the tick, he was better that afternoon! This has been going on since Halloween.
                Good luck!!
                Lori T
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                www.facebook.com/LoriTankelPhotography
                www.facebook.com/LTEquine for product updates on the lines I rep

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                • #9
                  I can't stand ticks. I can't stand lyme. Ugh. Shane's had it 3 times. I'll join

                  The only words of wisdom I have is to MAKE SURE THE HORSE GETS HIS DOXY EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL and to regugularly re-check the levels by titer to see whether you're beating the lyme. One of the times Shane had lyme was potentially a re-flare up of a prior episode that he never really recovered from. If I had MADE SURE the barn staff was actually giving him the meds and done some re-titering, I wonder if I would have cut that off at the pass. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
                  ~Veronica
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                  • #10
                    Finn is getting 50 tablets 2x a day, along with his Lyme Immune Supplement.

                    One vet told me not to retest for 6 months. What have you all done?

                    Thanks

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by irishcas View Post
                      Finn is getting 50 tablets 2x a day, along with his Lyme Immune Supplement.

                      One vet told me not to retest for 6 months. What have you all done?

                      Thanks
                      What is Lyme Immune supplement?
                      Lori T
                      www.calypsofarmeventers.blogspot.com
                      www.facebook.com/LoriTankelPhotography
                      www.facebook.com/LTEquine for product updates on the lines I rep

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                      • #12
                        This is a great thread, may I join? I've had several in the barn with Lyme. I'm positive my vet is under medicating at 25 doxys 2x per day. The next time someone comes up with symptoms I'm going to insist we up the dosage. Hopefully that will keep reoccurances down. Most of my crew are about 950lbs with one 750 and one 1250. What kind of dosages are your horses getting compared to mine?
                        My herd: "That Black Mare" and the Faux Pony
                        Proud Closet Canterer!

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                        • #13
                          I retest Kiwayu every 6 months (for the rest of his life) as per my vet. His titer has not gone down from 860. At one point it was 1260.
                          Kristen

                          Kiwayu & Figiso Pictures:
                          http://community.webshots.com/user/kiwayu

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                          • #14
                            Doxy Dosage

                            The guidance from Cornell, who did a session on this with my local vet group is 4.5 tablets/100 lbs. body weight twice per day(45 pills for 1000 lb horse, twice per day).

                            My prior vet did not have this guidance, and prescribed 35 tablets/2x day. My horse relapsed.

                            I also used immune builders during treatment, chinese(Astragalus 10) as well as an herbal immune supplment from silverlining herbs.

                            That horse is doing well now, but my other one was tested low positive last week, so starting this all over again.

                            They have been doing parallel tests with the canine snap test and the full blown lyme test done at Cornell with very good, mostly consistent results except if the horse is 'borderline'. This is good news, as the snap test is only about $25 and results are same day.

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                            • #15
                              What is Lyme Immune supplement?
                              Hi Lori,

                              As I said I'm using a vet in Virginia, his name is Dr. Timothy Weed, if you'd like his phone number PM me and I'll share it.

                              kwilhide,

                              I recently heard about the snap test, how cool. I'll use that the next time I test Finn.

                              This is great information guys. As a Barefoot Farrier, I'm finding that if a horse isn't sound within 3 trims something else is wrong.

                              I've struggled with Finn for years, finally decided to test for Lyme and voila.

                              So Paige Poss and I are starting to compile info and wow a lot of horses have Lymes.

                              Do you all find that some vets don't believe it. One vet who comes to our barn said there is no such thing as Lymes Despite the positive test from Cornell.

                              Regards,

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                                #16
                                Buzz's symptoms were very mild, he just wasn't himself. This is my lovely horse who would come walking over to me anytime he saw me (including leaving his yummies at dinnertime!), to being kinda "blah". He also had a VERY subtle wandering lameness, even the vet said that he wasn't lame until I pointed out he wasn't tracking evenly behind. But it would switch legs, as well as look like it was coming from different sources (sometimes looked like hock, sometimes higher, maybe SI, then more like foot). We tested his titer was about 480. The vet suggested the OxyTet since her finding were that it really knocks it out of them better than doxy alone. He'll be on Doxy for a month after the inital 2 weeks of IV. I am also keeping him on joint support and doing supportive energy work. I've also been handwalking him twice a day, as since the ground froze he doesn't really want to leave his nice warm shed. Seems silly, handwalking a horse that is 24/7 turnout!! But he seems to enjoy the walk in the nice footing in our indoor!!
                                I give the truth scope!

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                                • #17
                                  to irishcas
                                  re: vet disbelief

                                  There definitely seems to be 2 camps. My former vet did the lyme test at my request, and I think was surprised at the result.
                                  My current vet and associates have seen enough now to know it is a real issue. They even say a personality change can be the first sign.

                                  With my horse who is now currently diagnosed, it was a feeling - no lameness, just attitude, he even kicked me a couple of times(ususally it is just an opinion, and he "misses" )
                                  In any case, while it is a low positive, there is no question in my mind to treat, after what I have seen with my other horse who probably had it when I bought him and it was ignored.

                                  I also think the immune support is important, but I know some of my friends think I am a quack.

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                                  • #18
                                    I am a member. Mare was on doxy, 100 tablets a day for 2 months. Starting noticing behavior changes, and she seemed to be intermittently lame but in different legs at different times. She was tripping alot! Was so slow coming out of the pasture. And terrible to ride under saddle, just was not right. Final straw was when she fell down in canter for no apparent reason.

                                    But the effects have been hard on her. Lots of osteoarthritis issues, she is on Adequan and Conquer Gel, and has a course of Legend and massage and chiro work to put her body back together again.

                                    It has been a very hard year of us from this. Vet will retest her in the Spring.

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                                      #19
                                      Wow, it seems like your vets were giving much lower doses than mine, Buzzy will be on 60 tabs 2 x daily (120 a day) for a month after the IV OxyTet. So far, not too much arthritis to deal with. I am HOPING I kept it at bay with the energy work that I do on him consistently, and now that he is being treated...I can tell he already feels better, much more himself after just 3 days on the meds!
                                      I give the truth scope!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by isaidwhoa View Post
                                        What kind of dosages are your horses getting compared to mine?
                                        I am treating a 950-lb mare with 45 pills, 2x/day, for 90 days. I dont' know what her original titre was, but vet described it as 'moderate'. She was mostly asymptomatic, we diagnosed Lymes' almost accidentally while looking at something else.
                                        ~~Liz Williams, Snickersville Hounds~~

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