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Dummy rider -anyone see this kind of thing?

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  • Dummy rider -anyone see this kind of thing?

    I know I have seen an ad for this contraption that helps with backing a horse.

    Anyone know what I mean?
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    No, but in response to the thread title, yes, on a daily basis.

    Rick

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    • #3
      Hoofrx1 - I just spewed soda pop all over my desk - thank you!

      OakStable I do indeed know what you are talking about - but have no clue where you would go about looking for one. Maybe ask on the racing forum?

      I do however know where you can get a slew of the type that HoofRx1 referred to.
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      • #4
        I saw a full paged ad for that thing recently... can't remember where or what the name of the thing is.

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        • #5
          My neighbor who started alot of young horses used to tie a LARGE hot pink stuffed easter bunny up on her western saddles. Funniest thing you ever saw....the horses got used to it pretty quick She also added sand bags for weight.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by hoofrx1 View Post
            No, but in response to the thread title, yes, on a daily basis.

            Rick
            ~~~~~~~~~


            Didn't Monty Python, I mean, Roberts, have something like that?

            Myself I took an old pair of jeans, sewed the legs shut, and poured in clean kitty litter in each leg, tied it on with hay twine and a quick release knot. You could probably knot the legs if you can't sew.
            Added empty milk jugs with a pebble in it later. Practice shaking the milk jugs at the horse during meal time first, for positive associations.

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              #7
              I saw a full page ad for it, somewhere.

              It wasn't cheap but I think it had a way to simulate hands on reins, too.
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              • #8
                Clinton Anderson uses boat bumpers.
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                • #9
                  They're called a "dumb jockey" and have been used by Saddlebred people forever (although this may not be exactly the same one that you saw):
                  http://www.ehorseequipment.com/detail.asp?id=2223
                  I'm not much into conspiracy theories, but if everyone thinks alike you don't need a plot....

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                  • #10
                    There is a piece of equipment (can't remember the name) that is a wide surcingle that you can ad weights to. It gets the horse accustomed to the weight of a rider and it can be increased gradually. They use one at my barn with youngsters. It is great.

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                      #11
                      I think it was Riding magazine so I wrote to the publisher.

                      If nothing else, we can make something with pant legs and a floppy stuffed toy, as big as we can get. Or maybe transition up with something small, then go to a larger toy so the horse will see something similar to a seated human on his back.

                      Anything else?

                      Boat bumpers might work with a quarterhorse but I don't have one of those to get started.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hoofrx1 View Post
                        No, but in response to the thread title, yes, on a daily basis.

                        Rick
                        almost choked on my sandwich. So do I, Rick, so do I.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                          Clinton Anderson uses boat bumpers.
                          so what does Parelli use? a bag of grain?
                          Rebel Without Cash!

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                            Found it.

                            Ride Astride
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                            • #15
                              Monty Roberts calls him "Herman the German". Useful for getting a horse accustomed to the sight of the rider's body upright behind his head, and the shifting of the weight rocking around a bit. OR, the rider can sit still, and use a set of blinkers to the same end if these things are going to be a problem for a horse.
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                              • #16
                                Dummy rider -anyone see this kind of thing?

                                One trainer I had used the sand in the jeans, cowboy boots/hat, scarecrow concoction for getting a new horse used to the feel of something with weight and height on its back. The dummy was called "Bronco Billy" and lived on a folding chair in the tack room with an empty bottle of Jim Beam in his lap.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Cherry View Post
                                  They're called a "dumb jockey" and have been used by Saddlebred people forever (although this may not be exactly the same one that you saw):
                                  http://www.ehorseequipment.com/detail.asp?id=2223
                                  A dumb jockey is a much different device than the things I have seen marketed lately. A dumb jockey helps teach a horse to carry itself, if you know how to use one, and is not something i would ever put on a green horse. It is rather something for a horse in the middle stages of training or a finished horse that needs a tune up, but it is much too strong of a device for a green horse who won't understand what is going on and will likely hurt themself in an attempt to get away from it. And it is not a device to be used by anyone who has not been shown how to in person, as in witnessed its use over several months as an apprentice/assistant/working student to a trainer who regularly uses a dumb jockey.

                                  The other things I have seen are glorified sand bags, and IMO just get on the frickin horse If you've done your ground work you won't have a problem.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by NancyM View Post
                                    Useful for getting a horse accustomed to the sight of the rider's body upright behind his head,
                                    Ummm, unless the horse turns its head, it can't see the rider on its back. Its front to rear cone of vision won't allow it.

                                    Rick

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                                    • #19
                                      "Dummy riders" is an old fashioned way to avoid getting on an unbacked horse and a straw stuffed dummy was used and attached to the saddle. The idea being that if the horse bucks and plunges the rider won't come off in the way a human might. If the rider needs to see this to give them the confidence to back the horse, then they are not up to the job.

                                      There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever in using a dummy rider to back a young horse. Not only does the "dead weight" feel entirely different to carrying a live rider for the horse, but its extremely difficult to attach securely and can cause irreversible mental and possibly physical damage if it slips under the horse and between his back legs. Whilst its not desirable for a human to fall off, its preferable.

                                      Dummy riders are very occassionally used for older horses with really severe ridden problems as a last resort, but are in no way necessary for any young horse to be backed.

                                      Horses are indeed able to sight a rider when he appears on a level with his head and this is one of the most un-nerving experiences for the youngster when its being backed. They also see shadows and its not uncommon for a youngster to "spook" the first time it sees its shadow with a rider on top. The rider "appears" over the horses withers just as a predator would in the wild. However you introduce a horse to this by leaning over him and pushing yourself above the level of his ears to pat his opposite shoulder. Once he's introduced to that then sitting into an upright position carefully and slowly will be no problem at all.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by hoofrx1 View Post
                                        No, but in response to the thread title, yes, on a daily basis.

                                        Rick
                                        LOL, Hey Rick. I hope you are NOT referring to me. This made me laugh, thanks!

                                        Hope all is well w/ya!

                                        Sheila
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                                        PJ's mom

                                        P.S. Rick is my actual farrier.
                                        Riding is NOT meant as an inside sport, GET out of that arena!!!

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