• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Questions about a Feed Program

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Questions about a Feed Program

    Everything I know about feeding horses is old school. Can someone give me some good examples for the following horses. As it seems COTHers have a vast quantity of knowledge.

    We are re-locating soon and I think this would be a good time to change (slowly of course).

    Currently all horses are currently on good quality timothy/alfalfa mix (appropriate quantities for each) and Gro & win high fiber. Also, good pasture. New farm has NO pasture, new farm feeds a sweet feed mix and decent quality hay.

    I would like to hear some imput on non-concentrate diets for some of these horses

    Horse 1) Approx 1500 lbs Warmblood gelding, light work moving into training as condition improves. Fairly level headed. Will need to add muscle mass & lose approx 75-100 lbs. This horse would get cranky if he did'nt get grain. Currently 5 (ish) lbs of concentrate a day.

    Horse 2) Nut case of a OTTB-very athletic, very people shy, Approx 1100 lbs has had weight issues in the past. Plan to start him back into work in the next few weeks. I would like to try him on a "no grain diet" if feasible. Currently 7 lbs concentrate per day

    Horse 3) HUGE OTTB, about 200 lbs from being "good weight" He is in light work to be moving to training as muscle and weight increase. He can be a little hot at times. Prefer to get weight on him and worry about hot later.
    This horse is not supposed to have oils ect. Currently getting 10 lbs concentrate a day

    Horse 4) OTTB approx 1000 lbs. Very mareish...very opionionated, very hot. Good weight at the moment, have played with her feeding alot in the 4 years we have had her. Have not tried the "no grain diet" as we have fought the "skinny thoroughbred" thing until last year. She is in light-medium work, about 3-4 times a week. Currently on 7 lbs concentrate a day.

    Would love to hear thoughts, I am not a big fan of sweet feed for the hot horses.
    How can I supplement them and cut as much "grain" out of the OTTB's diets?
    The warmblood is fine, but he would like to eat as much as possible
    "The Friesian syndrome... a mix between Black Beauty disease and DQ Butterfly farting ailment." Alibi_18

  • #2
    Soaked plain/molasses free beet pulp, a ration balancer (I like Equipride personally), Cool Calories or Canola Oil (depending on who will eat what ). If more calories are needed to meet higher work demands, alfalfa pellets and rice bran are good to chuck into the mix.
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

    Comment


    • #3
      http://www.southernstates.com/equuss...d_selector.jsp

      http://www.southernstates.com/equuss...d_selector.jsp

      Here are some links to Southern States website. It askes you like 5 or 6 questions about hay quality, exercise, age, etc to help you determine which feed they have that best suits your horse's needs. Its very helpful!
      Dear life, please send grapes. Sincerely, I prefer wine over lemonade.

      Comment


      • #4
        Chocomare, does Equipride supplement protein?
        "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
        ---
        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

        Comment


        • #5
          Also, there's not nearly enough sugar in sweet feed to make horse's "hot" or hyper.
          Dear life, please send grapes. Sincerely, I prefer wine over lemonade.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Oldenburg99 View Post
            Also, there's not nearly enough sugar in sweet feed to make horse's "hot" or hyper.

            There can be enough NSC's in sweet feed (or any feed, for that matter, but SF tends to run higher) to do so. And some horses react to sugar (and other feedstuffs) as if they were allergic to it.
            "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
            ---
            The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
              Chocomare, does Equipride supplement protein?
              Here's the ingredient list (14% protein)
              <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                There can be enough NSC's in sweet feed (or any feed, for that matter, but SF tends to run higher) to do so. And some horses react to sugar (and other feedstuffs) as if they were allergic to it.
                Ditto. The high starch grains in sweet feed PLUS the molasses make for a fast glycemic response by the body. Basically, a sugar rush WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
                <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by ChocoMare View Post
                  Here's the ingredient list (14% protein)
                  Now I remember why I always have to ask questions about it - or go look at the container in the barn - because I can never get their website to open for me!! Would you mind copying it and posting it?
                  "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                  ---
                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                    Now I remember why I always have to ask questions about it - or go look at the container in the barn - because I can never get their website to open for me!! Would you mind copying it and posting it?
                    Anything for you dahling. Ta dah!

                    GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
                    Crude Protein, Min. = 14.00%
                    Crude Fat, Min. = 5.50%
                    Omega 3 Fatty Acid, Min. = 0.55%
                    Crude Fiber, Max. = 5.50%
                    ADF, Max. = 8.50%
                    Calcium (Ca), Min. = 1.00%
                    Calcium (Ca), Max. = 1.50%
                    Phosphorus (P), Min. = 1.25%
                    Salt (NaCl), Min. = 7.50%
                    Salt (NaCl), Max. = 9.00%
                    Magnesium (Mg), Min. = 1.50%
                    Potassium (K), Min. = 1.10%
                    Sulfur (S), Min. = 0.25%
                    Fluorine, Max. = 0.8 ppm
                    Copper (Cu), Min. = 500 ppm
                    Selenium (Se), Min. = 5.0 ppm
                    Zinc (Zn), Min. = 1,000 ppm
                    Iron (Fe), Min. = 350 ppm
                    Manganese (Mn), Min. = 750 ppm
                    Iodine (I), Min. = 8.0 ppm
                    Cobalt (Co), Min. = 4.0 ppm
                    Biotin, Min. = 18 mg/lb.
                    Omega 3 fatty acid, Min. = 5,500 ppm
                    Vitamin A, Min. = 100,000 IU/lb
                    Vitamin D, Min. = 20,000 IU/lb
                    Vitamin E, Min. = 350 IU/lb

                    Ingredients

                    ProBiotein™ (Yeast Culture on a fermented media of wheat, oats, barley malt and flax), Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles, Salt, Ground Flax, Pea Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Chloride, Copper Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite, Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Product Liquid, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal Sterol (Source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin E Supplement, Biotin.

                    Digestive Enzyme Activity (at time of manufacture):
                    Alpha-Amylase (from Barley malt, Aspergillus oryzae) 34,180 ug starch hydrolyzed/min/oz.
                    Amyloglucosidase (from Aspergillus niger, Aspergillus oryzae) 4,540 ug maltose hydrolyzed/min/oz.

                    More Information

                    ProBiotein is a proprietary blend-additive consisting of yeast
                    culture, prebiotic oligosaccharides, enzymes, and protein isolates.

                    The Yeast in ProBiotein, cultured on a media of wheat, oats, barley malt and flax, is rich in biotin and other nutrients to aid digestion. The Oligosaccharides, often called “prebiotics,” because they feed the beneficial probiotic bacteria, are a key part of the ProBiotein additive. These prebiotics help maintain good digestive tract health.

                    Enzymes, the catalysts of digestion are included in a fibrinolytic, amylolytic & proteolytic array to assist fiber, protein and mineral utilization.

                    Flax helps in many ways. The oil is dense energy which is high in Omega 3 fatty acid content. Omega 3 is an essential fatty acid often missing in modern diets. Flax is also among the richest sources of lignans, which help improve immune function. Organic complexed minerals are featured. Zinc, copper and manganese are complexed, or bound to protein instead of other minerals, assuring high bioavailability.

                    EquiPride also includes ethyl alcohol to raise palatability, enhance fiber digestion and add another non-starch energy source. Now with feed efficiency boost, the cost of maintaining your horse in top condition can be reduced.
                    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                      There can be enough NSC's in sweet feed (or any feed, for that matter, but SF tends to run higher) to do so. And some horses react to sugar (and other feedstuffs) as if they were allergic to it.
                      Sorry I should've said it better. I agree with you about the NSCs - that happens to people and horses. What I meant was actually pure sugar. People have a misconception (IMO) that sweet feed has all this sugar in it because its sweet feed. When actually its the NSCs from any feed providing glucose for energy, like you said.
                      Dear life, please send grapes. Sincerely, I prefer wine over lemonade.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X