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  • Sav-a-Hoof (methadyne-B)

    I performed a search for both of the terms in the title, and it did not get any results.

    I am wondering if anyone here has ever tried the product called Sav-a-Hoof. I found it in the Valley Vet catalog when I was looking for products to help my horse's white line disease. On the farrier's advice I bought white lightening and will do the soaking procedure (as per the directions 2 to 3 times a week).

    I just happened upon this product after I talked to the farrier and will certainly get his opinion on it when I speak to him next week. I wanted to ask here because I did not find anything under the active ingredient methadyne-B when I searched the internet and this site for that name.

    Most of the reading I did on white line disease mentioned treatments with either a chlorine-based ingredients or iodine.

    Since the soaks I do with white lightening will be a few days apart, I was wondering if applying another product in the interim would be part of the solution.
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    Here's an article on www.horseshoes.com that mentions Save-A-Hoof: http://www2.horseshoes.com/articlesp...disease-update by Greg Sefton. Here's an incomplete excerpt about Sav-A-Hoof: "I don't like to test anything that I don't know the ingredients of. I generally don't trust them. However, the Sav-A-Hoof line of products is promoted specifically for the hoof fungus problem. The people who make it wouldn't tell me what is in the product but I think I have a pretty good idea after talking with them and some veterinary pharmacologists. My skepticism (in not trusting a company that won't give out the ingredients of their product) lies in the fact that anyone with the capability of duplicating it for sale on the market is also capable of analyzing it for the ingredients. The secrecy must, therefore, mean they have something to hide from the user..." You need to read the entire article to see the follow on. I don't know the date the article was written, so it is possible Sav-A-Hoof has been more forthcoming since then.

    It's a long article about the author testing various products on the market and their efficacy in treated Hoof Wall Disease (in which White Line Disease could be included). It's worth reading to see his findings when you are searching for products to help.

    I've had decent success using White Lightening once a week to treat thrush in frog, sole, and white line, and seedy toe. I'm not sure I've ever seen a case of real white line disease.

    If you look at the articles on horseshoes.com, there is a section on white line disease. Also, Tom Stovall has an interesting article on Hoof Wall Separation. It might be a case of trying to come up with an accurate name for a group of symptoms that get lumped under "white line disease", even when they aren't truly the same thing.
    Last edited by matryoshka; Aug. 23, 2009, 11:51 AM.
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      matryoshka,

      Thanks. That is a great article...extremely thorough. I am wondering how available copper sulfate is. I like the idea of making copper-plated nails once I get to the point where I can get shoes back on.

      A question for you about the White Lightening: did you soak or use the gel? The directions for the soak mention changing the solution (vinegar and WL) a few times until it becomes clear. The solution uses about 4 oz of WL, which costs about 5$. I wonder if I could soak to loosen up the diseased material in something like epsom salts before I do the WL soak.
      Last edited by Poll Evil; Aug. 23, 2009, 09:13 PM.
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        Kopertox
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        • #5
          i use save-a-hoof, copper sulfate and Perry's hoof oil. all recommended by my farrier and have great results. i trust my farrier.

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          • #6
            Here copper sulfate (as blue crystalline powder) is on basic med kit in every stable - it is cheap and works very well.
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            • #7
              I use the White Lightening soak rather than the gel, but I use less than the product recommends. I use about a teaspoon each of vinegar and WL, put a cotton ball in the bottom of the bag, tape the bag on and secure/seal with duct tape, and put a boot over it. Sometimes I'll position the cotton ball in a particular spot if there is seedy toe or a nasty center sulcus.

              The reason I like the soak rather than the gel is that the gases are what is supposed to work. The theory is that the gases will reach deeper, more difficult areas that a topical product cannot get to. Again, this is theory. But it has worked for quite a few horses who have had seedy toe and nasty thrush in the white line. First you've got to clean all the crud out that you can so the product can reach the fungus. Otherwise it is wasted effort. A small screw driver works well for cleaning out deep, narrow areas.

              I started using WL when it was recommended we use it daily on a horse who had canker when it started growing back after two surgeries. We'd (MayS, mostly) tape the cotton ball right onto the canker before sealing up the bag. Wetting a foot with canker is a bad idea, which is why we used less product.

              Years ago I had a farrier recommend Coppertox (Koppertox?) for seedy toe. It worked well when applied daily. I couldn't stand the smell, though.
              "Passion without knowledge is a runaway horse."

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                Interesting. So, you put a plastic bag over the foot for the soak (with a cotton ball in position over the affected area) and then in a boot. Did you use an low boot like a Davis?

                About 1/4 to 1/2 inch of my horse's walls are broken away on the sides of his front feet, and it seems like there are many crevices in that area. I will try the tiny screwdriver to pry the dirt out before soaking. I don't know if it would be better to try to duct tape a pieces of gauze around the areas before soaking so the product would penetrate more.

                Thanks for your replies. They are helpful.
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                • #9
                  I buy oven bags, but a thick bread bag would work as long as it doesn't perforate easily. I snug the bag around the pastern with duct tape, so you don't need a tall boot.

                  If I'm using a Davis hoof boot and don't have bags, I'll do my best to seal it with duct tape. It isn't ideal, but sometimes you get the horse ready and everything lined up before realizing there is no bag. Ugh.

                  I have hoof boots (Old Macs and Easyboots) that fit my horses, so that is what I use. I've got a White Lightening "kit" I carry in my truck, along with several sizes of hoof boots to treat a client's horse if I find there is a nasty thrush condition. With all the wet this summer, horses who usually have few problems seem are getting thrush.

                  I just retrimmed a little Arab mare I suspect has Cushings yesterday. She had developed a nasty case of thrush in the white lines the last time I trimmed her. I came back with White Lightening and treated both fronts 5 weeks ago, and they were much better yesterday. The owner has been keeping up with a daily thrush treatment, too.
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