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  • horse badly injured who is responsible

    If a horse is badly injured by another who shoudl be held resposible. It was
    a field incident. I woudl like some input as to how to address this problem the owner of the responsible horse has not accepted the fact that their horse did the deed. No legal action has been considered. What would you do if faced with this dilema.

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    Sorry to hear your baby got hurt, but....

    They're horses. Horses do these things. It happens. No one (meaning "a person") can be held responsible.

    It would be nice, though, for the horse's owner to at least apologize and check on your horse's condition...maybe even offer to help take care of his booboos.
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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    • #3
      Agree...sorry, I know how frustrating it is to have a horse get injured...but you cannot fault the owner...that's part of horse ownership.

      I recently had a mare clean another mare's clock...I was mortified and came and sat with the owner while waiting for the vet...she was really cool about it and said..hey they are horses, it's no big deal.

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      • #4
        Yeah, such is life with horses...especially when they are out together. Horses do stupid things and it isn't anybodies fault if they get into it out in the field for whatever reason. They are big, dangerous, and opinionated, and when they get pissy with each other, bad things can and do happen.

        The only thing that may be reasonable to ask somebody to take responsibility for would be someone turning an aggressive/dangerous horse out with someone they aren't supposed to be out with or mixing horses that shouldn't be mixed...something along that line. Barn management, the owner, whoever could be approached for compensation, I suppose. But if it was just an accident involving two normal fieldmates, well, that's just life.
        Amanda

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        • #5
          Did anyone see the incident?
          RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
          5/5/84-7/12/08

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          • #6
            If you are worried about your baby getting hurt by another horse, then perhaps you should consider turning him out alone. Even then, horses will manage to hurt themselves. Nobody's fault, sh*t just happens.

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              horse badly injured

              I have read some of the comments on the horse I wrote about and feel none of you know how badly this horse was injured. He had muscle torn and crushed and required staples and stictches. The vet is not sure if he will recover at this point. This was a savage attack by a horse that was new in the field. There had been no incidents until this new horse arrived, so why would I want him separated until now. I feel this is not just sh happens. The owner did not even offer an apology for this.

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              • #8
                My 3 y/o got her butt (and various other parts of her) kicked by another horse out with her about 3 months ago. Luckily someone was there and saw it, and got hold of me immediately (and started cold hosing - thank goodness for helpful fellow boarders!), so the vet was out there within an hour. She (the filly) had to be stitched up and variously doctored, and as you can imagine the bill wasn't cheap. The worst of the wounds is only just now finally looking like it's closing up (after many phone calls & rechecks with the vet assuring me that everything is going as it should - me, a paranoid horse mom?? ), which means by this point I've spent as much on vet wrap, elastikon, and telfa pads as I spent on the vet bills! (OK, maybe not quite...)

                We know for sure which horse it was who beat mine up (impartial eyewitness). They had been turned out together without incident for months. It was NO ONE's "fault." The other horse's owner was very concerned about my girl's progress and did offer repeatedly to pay part of the vet bill, but I declined as it was no more her fault than it was mine.

                $hit happens. Horses get hurt. My filly continues to go out with other horses (though not the one who beat her up!), because I'd rather have her happy and socialized than scar-free and stressed from not getting to spend time with her own species. And I would certainly hope that should she one day cause injury to another horse, that horse owner will understand that her actions are nobody's "fault."
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                • #9
                  willie6 I really feel for you and especially your horse. Unfortunately horses are horses. If the "new" horse is not playing well with others perhaps you want to speak with the BO or manager and request that that horse be removed and placed in a separate paddock. If that is unacceptable, perhaps you want to place your horse in a separate paddock for safety reasons. I understand how frustrated you are and it is totally unacceptable for the owner of the "new" horse not to acknowledge or apologize for the incident. But you can't blame the owners. We have no control over our horses when we put them out together. They play, fight, run like the wind and stuff happens.

                  I'll keep good thoughts for your horse.
                  ~Never say Never~ And ~Remember you can learn something from everyone~

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by willie6 View Post
                    I have read some of the comments on the horse I wrote about and feel none of you know how badly this horse was injured. He had muscle torn and crushed and required staples and stictches. The vet is not sure if he will recover at this point. This was a savage attack by a horse that was new in the field. There had been no incidents until this new horse arrived, so why would I want him separated until now. I feel this is not just sh happens. The owner did not even offer an apology for this.
                    Not being ugly, but how would I know how badly the horse was hurt? I'm in my house, where is your horse?

                    As a person who owned "the asshole of the field" and has had the same said asshole out with horses that were either just as big of one, or would die trying, of course I can relate. I tried my best to work with the person and the BM/BO to get the horses separated if possible. But, as a person who had the screaming ninny of one farm, "Your $^#@! horse has left all kinds of marks on mine!", what exactly am I supposed to do? Go scream at my horse? Put him in the corner with a dunce cap? I tried to help doctor the niny's horse, and what's worse, later, come to find out after our guys were spearated, she had to wear egg on her face. he was beat up again. This time, with witnesses. He agitated another horse until it turned around and beat the shit out of him.

                    It is certainly an art as far as grouping horses. Some people have a heard with absolutely no problems. And some of us don't. Yes, shit DOES happen. I'm very sorry about your horse, and I think it would have been a very kind and courteous thing for the owner to apologize and offer help. Is it that she possibly is embarassed? Maybe she's not being a bitch, maybe she doesn't know WHAT to do. But I assure you this, if you approach her with the attitude posted here, things will not go well. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm saying what is the truth.
                    RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
                    5/5/84-7/12/08

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                    • #11
                      It is very hard to group horses. Many people prefer to keep mares and geldings separate. When I had my mare at a boarding/show barn she went out with about 4 other mares in a large field. My horse constantly had bite/kick marks(lovely when you are going to a show). She was at the bottom of the pecking order, but kept challenging the higher up horses. Plus she received(IMHO) more feed than she needed and stayed in the stall more than I liked.(don't get me wrong,she was out all night most of the time but in the stall a good part of the day for feeding/training) Some of the injuries that my mare sustained were a broken bone on the front of her face with a cut and large hard knot from a kick, strained suspensory from running around like a nut, and a cut/kick on a front splint which resulted in a sequestrum(sloughed off/dead chip of bone) that she had to have surgery to remove. So I can understand where you are coming from. About 6 years ago, I moved my mare to a private farm where I had retired my gelding. At first, I kept them separate, but hauling water for a second pasture got to be old in the winter, so I opened the gate between the two pastures and let them have the run of both fields. I figured plenty of room to get away from each other in case of fighting. Well, other than initial squeals, I had no problems with the two of them pastured together. Thought I would, as my gelding had been a breeding stallion until about age 6. At this time he was in his mid-teens when I started putting them together. There was a little initial boy/girl interest activity that first spring, but after that they got along well together and I am happy to say that other than a rare bite mark on my mare, no further injuries. The gelding "knew" he was boss and could express this opinion with just a flick back of his ears. In the past, I had another gelding who was turned out with about 3 other geldings, and they were rough housing, rearing up and he got hit in the upper part of his front leg with the other horse's hoof when the horse was coming down from rearing. He had a huge deep scrape(the other horse had shoes on) from the top of his leg all the way to the knee. He was lame on that leg and after a few days of coldhosing and bute, he was still lame, had it xrayed. The bone was cracked as well. Unfortunately, it sort of goes with the territory of owning horses, especially if you board.

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                      • #12
                        Agree, definitely see if the BO will turn your horse out seperately or change the grouping....but such is life at a boarding barn. I am very fortuatne to be at a place that turns my two out together alone...but at most places, this isn't or cant be the case and you take your chances every time a new horse enters the picture.

                        Unless you have some bizarre boarding contract that staes something about owners being responsible for thier horses beating up other horses, the owner of the new horse has no legal responsibility to your horse...not trying to be harsh or cold, but that is how it works.

                        The only thing you can possibly do is seperate the two or move.

                        Heck, if you want to get technical, who turned the horses out together..probably not the owner....and if you read your boarding contract carefully (if it is a standard contract) there will be a line that says something of the nature of.."Not responsible for any injury that horse might incure while at the farm".

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                        • #13
                          Simbalism...my mare and gelding go out together and I couldn't be happier....on occassion they will posture at each other, but not one bite or kick mark..they are really good together...luckily I found a small boarding facility that will allow them to go out together even though they are really a "mixed herd"

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                          • #14
                            depends -- can be yours at fault if a lower pecking order horse
                            then those above will peck it.
                            horses are herd animals theres always an alpha mare and geld in herds but then theres alwways the bottom of the rung ---

                            those bottom ones get pecked on --- it could be how your horse is ranked in the herd----

                            i had a mare that got raped by a new horse when i used to rent fieldswith other tenants i claimed but the insurance company wanted proof unless i stood and watched my pony all day or had a camera in my hand i ahd no proof the new horse did it....

                            did she entice him--being mare-? the principal is the same.

                            they a re horses and sometimes things happen. if you are insured you can claim for the vets bills...

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                            • #15
                              Sorry to hear about your injury. I had a horse that was turned out in group, someone kicked him and shattered his leg. Owner of barn said it was a hole that the horse stepped in but vet said it was a kick especially since it was toward the upper leg near the ebow. I never once got an apology from the owner. I did try to pursue it legally but even then it was very vague and since no one saw the kick....Anyway learned my lesson and will not turn my new horse out in any group situation. I found a place where he has his own paddock ( I pay an extra 100.00 for it) and since then, no turnout injuries. I think any group turnout is a cause for trouble and should be avoided. I just shake my head when people at the barn are laid up for pasture injuries such as cuts, bits, kicks etc because of group turnout. I agree that horses are horses and can even get injured in solitary turnout, but if you have the means, it is the best solution for all.

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                              • #16
                                I'm sorry to hear about the injury. Many years ago my mare fractured her skull when she fell on a metal gate while kicking another horse. That was a nice $700 vet bill and a permanent dent in her head. So I do understand.

                                The point now is to focus on going forward. What is the BO going to do about turnout? My guess is that the horse in question may have issues with other horses as well. At least I would be concerned if one horse badly beat up another horse in the field.
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                                • #17
                                  Sorry about your horse. Hope he or she makes a full recovery.

                                  The answer to the question is 'it depends.'

                                  Generally speaking, if you are in a boarding situation where there is turnout in a group and no agreements or promises from The BO that your horse will not be turned out separately, or your horse will only be turned out with certain horses, there is not much you can say about it. Sometimes, for example, no hind shoes are allowed where there is group turnout , but that would have to be specifically stated.

                                  BUT-I think most experienced bos will not just throw a new horse in with a herd and see what happens. That is when the chance of injuries is highest because after the original fireworks, things usually will settle down (with some exceptions !). There is a process for introduction which minimizes the risk of injuries. Again, though, if that's not the way it's done at your barn and you know that, it's hard to hold someone responsible.

                                  That said, the owner of the horse that injured your horse could show a bit of empathy and the BO might consider making changes to the way new horses are introduced to the herd.

                                  Herd turnout can work well but we turn out horses in small groups or separately depending on compatibility. I will not turn out horses together without the agreement of the owners. That way, the owners are involved in the decision. Not everyone has enough land to do this, though.

                                  Sorry this happened to your horse.

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                                  • #18
                                    An accident in the field is no one's "fault." Even a bad accident is prone to happen, you just can't control what happens in a pasture with a lot of horses. Most horse owners who have been riding long enough will have had an accident happen to one of their horses. I had one that broke a splint bone (a serious injury) when kicked by another horse. I knew which horse did it (was just put into the field that very day) but there iwas nothing that I could do about it other than make sure my horse did not go out with that horse again - and she did not go out with that one ever again.

                                    If you are that concerned then you need to find a place where your horses live alone outside. That is really your only option. You can't blame people for what their horses do unless it is complete and total negligence. And that is difficult to prove.

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                                    • #19
                                      WHAT IS IT WITH WANTING TO BLAME SOMEONE FOR EVERYTHING??? I cant stand it. Sh*t happens..cheap Sh*t or expensive sh*t...it happens...how can you blame a horse (or its owner) for ACTING LIKE A HORSE??? This is rediculous. It is unfortunate that anyones horse got hurt but for heavens sake..if you want to keep your horse in bubble wrap go ahead but horses LIKE to be out with their own kind, they are herd animals! Just like any social group there are going to be disputes. Accidents happen. OK I am off my soapbox now.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                                        WHAT IS IT WITH WANTING TO BLAME SOMEONE FOR EVERYTHING??? I cant stand it. Sh*t happens..cheap Sh*t or expensive sh*t...it happens...how can you blame a horse (or its owner) for ACTING LIKE A HORSE??? This is rediculous. It is unfortunate that anyones horse got hurt but for heavens sake..if you want to keep your horse in bubble wrap go ahead but horses LIKE to be out with their own kind, they are herd animals! Just like any social group there are going to be disputes. Accidents happen. .
                                        I concur, well said.

                                        Willie, you have given no indication of negligence or intent from any party(human). All I see is an accident followed by anger and a desire to place blame and possibly seek monetary compensation. This is the real horse world not a story book. Unless someone did something negligent stop complaining.

                                        We all hate to see horses injured. We all understand the frustration. But what you are seeking you will not recieve from most experienced horse people. Accept the realities of owning a horse and learn from this experience.

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