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    I have a 7 year old easy keeper pony who has fat pads on her neck and the tendency to be heavy. I work really hard to keep her at a good weight, including constant monitoring and restricted diet. I'm wondering if I should add Quiessence to her supplements after reading a lot about it on here. Here is why I'm not sure if this is ok:

    - Her current supplementation program includes MSM, Natural Vit E (as she is deficient, but she is NOT deficient in Selenium), DMG when she is working hard hard (like before and during a show) and a scoop of Platinum Performance multivitamin once a day. She gets grass hay, broken up all throughout the day probably totals 3 flakes, plus about 1/4 a quart Triple Crown Low Starch 2 times a day to mix her sups with. Works hard 6 days a week, give or take. Grass for about 1 hour in the mornings after hay (not high quality or lush).

    - When she was tested for Insulin Resistance, it came back negative, so I have been regulating her diet and watching her to keep her at a good weight, but she still is a bit heavy and so I'm cutting down her hay a little and taking away a bit of her low starch.


    The Quiessence sounds like a good supplement for a pony like her, but I'm not sure about ratios to what is in it to what is included in the Platinum, and if I should take her off of the Platinum if I give her this. This is what is in the Platinum:

    guaranteed analysis
    Per 132g serving (min)

    Energy 620cal
    Carbohydrate (Min) 38g
    Crude Protein (Min) 25.1g
    Crude Fat (Min) 40.8g
    Linolenic Acid (Omega-3) 18.9g
    Linoleic Acid (Omega-6) 8.5g
    Crude Fiber (Max) 9.2g
    Ash (Min) 14.9g
    Amino Acids

    Arginine (Min) 2020mg
    Glycine (Min) 1294mg
    Methionine (Min) 436mg
    Isoleucine (Min) 845mg
    Leucine (Min) 1399mg
    Valine (Min) 1254mg
    Lysine (Min) 1122mg
    Tyrosine (Min) 581mg
    Cystine (Min) 422mg
    Glutamine (Min) 4528mg
    Phenylalanine (Min) 1016mg
    Threonine (Min) 858mg
    Aspartic Acid (Min) 2297mg
    Alanine (Min) 1096mg
    Histidine (Min) 1082mg
    Tryptophan (Min) 383mg
    L-Carnitine (Min) 26mg
    Proline (Min) 700mg
    Chondroprotective

    Glucosamine Sulfate 850mg
    Macrominerals

    Calcium (Min) 396mg
    Calcium (Max) 528mg
    Phosphorus (Min) 1060mg
    Sodium (Min) 130mg
    Soduim (Max) 265mg
    Magnesium (Min) 540mg
    Potassium (Min) 1320mg
    Chloride (Min) 250mg
    sulfur (Min) 475.2mg
    Trace Minerals

    Copper (Min) 13.2mg
    Iron (Min) 264mg
    Manganese (Min) 132mg
    Silicon (Min) 2640mg
    Zinc (Min) 132mg
    Cobalt (Min) 792mcg
    Chromium (Min) 264mcg
    Selenium (Min) 0.79mg
    Iodine (Min) 660mcg
    Vitamins

    Vitamin A (Min) 7500IU
    Vitamin D (Min) 1500IU
    Vitamin E (Min) 740IU
    Vitamin C (Min) 250mg
    Folic Acid (Min) 10mg
    Thiamin (Min) 19.8mg
    Riboflavin (Min) 15.4mg
    Niacin (Min) 19.8mg
    Choline (Min) 6mg
    Pyridoxine (Min) 31.8mg
    Pantothenic Acid (Min) 48.6mg
    Biotin (Min) 2.5mg
    Cyanocobalamin (Min) 44mcg

    And this is what is in the Quiessence:

    Active Ingredients:
    Magnesium Oxide 7 g (7,000 mg)
    Chelated Magnesium 1 g (1,000 mg)
    Chromium Piccolinate 1.25 mg


    Sorry that is SO long, I just thought it would be easier to include all the info right here. Tried to make font smaller but couldn't figure that out.

    Could somebody tell me if it's too much Magnesium, Chromium, or any other reason NOT to order some and add the Quiessence to her diet?

    Thanks very much

  • #2
    I would be interested also if anyone has some info on this. I have a large QH mare who is fat. The only thing I found with Plat Perf is that is makes them a little fat...great for the other six horses on it, but I took her off of it, and would like to know about the Quiessence. My mare wears a bucket for turn out ( shes not happy about that) and gets one lap of dried up old timothy hay, and a handful of grain ( low starch).

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    • #3
      Cinnamon

      We have had great results using cinnamon.

      Get a huge plastic jug of it at Sams Club. Start with about 1/2 tsp. each day. You can give a tsp or more after you get them used to the taste.

      It reduced the crestiness in two of our stallions, improved throatlatch area, took off weight in the stomach. You can see results in about 3 weeks.

      Now I'm going to start trying it on myself!

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      • #4
        Take a look at Remission (Ani-med). I've had my large QH on it and have been able to get some weight off, and I know another mare that got really obese and has dropped some weight on Remission. A bit cheaper than Quiessence.
        "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

        Spay and neuter. Please.

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        • #5
          I started my two fatties on Remission about 10 days ago after this topic was posted on another board. It is cheaper than the Q. Too early to see any results yet, I think

          monstrpony -How long before you saw results? Did you change anything else in your horses feeding program?
          "And I will be an embarrassment to all
          Who have not found the peace in being free
          to have a horse as a best friend."

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          • #6
            Well, my harder keeper has taught me a few lessons about how little a horse really needs to be well-kept, so I've cut back in general on hay.

            The obese mare is not mine, belongs to a friend who is new-ish to keeping horses and didn't realize how fat she got when he moved them to his own place. He knew she was gaining weight, but lost sight of how much. Anyhow, his vet recommended Q and I had seen results w/ Remission so I suggested that instead. Next time I saw her, she was smaller; not enough, but headed in a better direction. On the order of a couple of months.

            Both horses are on the minimum amt of Triple Crown Lite, and the mare's hay is soaked to remove excess sugar, and she wears a muzzle when out on grass (which is limited).
            "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

            Spay and neuter. Please.

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            • #7
              #1, Quiessence is only going to work if the horse is Magnesium deficient.

              I've tried Remission multiple times with no results but craptastic hooves (which is odd since it's a hoof supplement). I have a stallion that responds smashingly to Quiessence. Softens his crest right up and helps get rid of those fat pads. However, I have a gelding and mare that don't respond at all to it (fine by me, saves me money). So, it may work, may not. Just like Remission works for others but doesn't work for my horses.

              Per what someone said about the cinnamon. I have found it was really helpful when I first started feeding it. However, it no longer does anything for them (I just use it to flavor their BP anyway). Certainly you could try cinnamon to start off with, would be a lot cheaper.

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              • Original Poster

                #8
                When you say it will only work if the horse is deficient in Magnesium, do you mean I should have my horse tested for this deficiency? (Is that a blood test, or?)

                Or could I just try it and see if she responds? Should I take her off of the Platinum while I do this?

                Thanks!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nanerpus View Post
                  When you say it will only work if the horse is deficient in Magnesium, do you mean I should have my horse tested for this deficiency? (Is that a blood test, or?)

                  Or could I just try it and see if she responds? Should I take her off of the Platinum while I do this?

                  Thanks!
                  You could just try it (cheaper than having a chem panel run). It shouldn't hurt one way or another. It's not like Selenium or something where you run into big problems if they get too much. It only takes my stud about 2 weeks to start responding to it (with softening crest). The others I had on for 2 months with no response so they got pulled off.

                  And no, you shouldn't stop the Platinum. Quiessence isn't a vitamin supplement (not a complete vitamin like Platinum). It's just Magnesium and Chromium.

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                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Excellent. I'm going to order some and try it. Thanks so much for your answers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nanerpus View Post
                      Excellent. I'm going to order some and try it. Thanks so much for your answers.
                      You're so welcome. When it works it's IMPRESSIVE. I still haven't figured out why my stallion responds so well to it, but his gelding doesn't. They are in the same pasture and get the same food so it doesn't make sense one would possibly be deficient and the other not. On the mare I had on it, she tested normal on magnesium levels during her last chem panel, but was on the low end of normal. I thought surely she'd respond but it didn't happen. My wallet certainly likes the fact only one horse does great on it As a side note, it's nice if you want one to quiet down too. My stallion is way laid back without it, but on the Quiessence he's like a lap dog.

                      The taste of it varies from batch to batch and some horses aren't fond of particular batches. The last batch I had, I had to add some jello powder to disguise the taste as my stallion swore it was poison. But the latest batch I got he gobbles right up. If you have any issues with your horse eating it, just email Foxden and let them know. They are excellent at taking care of their customers.

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                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Good to know about the batches. I seriously doubt the pony will have any objections to eating it. She will eat all her sups with the smallest handful of low starch, including powdered kelp, etc. She is a huge piggy and when she was on SMZ's for an injury, I just powdered them and she at it all, mostly powder with a few pellets, like it was candy. Never met a pony who loves to eat like this girl.

                        I like that it could possibly make her a little calmer too, she is wonderful to work around and sweet and gentle, but sometimes a bit too forward under saddle and tends to rush. I'm bringing her to her first dressage show ever this weekend and wished I had started her on this earlier to see if it could a) take the edge off, and b) help get her fat pads and hay belly under control. We shall see how she behaves off her property!

                        In any case, I just ordered some! I'm going to take a pic of her today so I can compare it and look back after some time on it.

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                        • #13
                          Skip the Quiessence IMO, its WAY overpriced. I had my mare on it for about a year with very minimal results. Switched her to Epsom salts, and she improved within 4 or 5 days. Completely different horse. It costs maybe $4 a month to feed Epsom salts, compared to the $20 a month for Quiessence. Both are Mg, only Epsom salts is in a more bioavailable form, especially if your horse gets any significant amount of feed with the supplements.

                          Reason being, MgO has to stay in the stomach for a while to ionize. If they are getting a decent amount of feed, the MgO isn't in the stomach for as long. Epsom salts are already in an ionic form. As with any magnesium supp, you have to watch for diarrhea. Too much magnesium, in any form, pulls water into the intestines. Soft poop means to cut back on the Mg.

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                          • #14
                            If you want to know if your horse is magnesium deficient, you need to test your hay/pasture, not the horse. That will tell you if you need to supplement.

                            It's an expensive supplement and it's cheaper to send in a hay sample to see if you even need it.

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                            • #15
                              Quiessence has been shown in some preliminary studies to reduce neck circumference in 'cresty' horses - regardless of Mg deficiency. So if your horse is indeed cresty, I think its worth a try.

                              My 'easy keeper' prone to laminitis is on 2% of her body weight in hay (timothy mixes - not tested for NSC unfortunately due to being purchased in very small batches), grazing muzzle ALL the time on grass, and two cups, or about 1 lb of Triple Crown Lite.

                              FYI, Triple Crown Lite actually has lower starch levels than their "Low Starch" feed, so I would go for that instead.

                              Essentially, make sure you're not overdoing calories *first*, then try Quiessence on top of that. Good luck,
                              M

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                                Skip the Quiessence IMO, its WAY overpriced. I had my mare on it for about a year with very minimal results. .
                                Ditto that.

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                                • #17
                                  Melyni Worth, founder of Foxden Equine and creater of Quiessence, is a COTHer--Melyni is her COTH name. I'd recommend that you either PM her or use the email on the website. She's wonderful and will be able to give you advice based on your horse's specific dietary intake, physical activity level, etc. And FWIW, if she doesn't think your horse needs it, she'll tell you. Or she'll tell you to start with something basic and work your way up if that's what's needed. She doesn't just hawk her own products.
                                  Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

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