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  • Firing the farrier - how to do it?

    Okay, so I have a farrier (a good one) that I've been using for a couple of years now. He's a QH farrier and isn't very good with my TWH's -- he doesn't understand trotting walkers vs. pacing and their needs. Since I have three TWH's now and just one QH, I want to go with a farrier more experienced with gaited horses. I have one and am going to switch to him, but he can't come out/start until late July.

    I know I need to tell current farrier, but I need him to shoe the horses one last time. So, do I tell him before he shoes my horses, or wait until he's done. I doubt he'd storm off and not do the shoeing if I told him first, but if he does, I'm screwed and the boys need shoes.

    What should I do???
    If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

  • #2
    I assume your current farrier is a reasonable person so simply tell them just what you said here, 'since I have gone mainly to gaited horses I have decided to try a farrier that specializes in those types of horses. I sure have appreciated all you have done for Dobbin, Star, and Buster over the years and will be sure to recommend you to anyone I know looking for a farrier'.

    Hand over payment and cookies and a cold drink and smile.

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    • #3
      What makes you think the guy you have can't handle what you've got? And what gives you so much confidence in this other guy you've never seen?

      After your response I'll tell you why I ask this
      George

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      • #4
        I think honesty, up front, is always the best policy. I was in a similiar situation late last December. Decided to make the switch to a barefoot trimmer, but had to get shoes w/borium for my mare before heading to DC for the Inaugural Parade. Called my farrier and just told him the truth. He still did the shoes and we parted on good terms.
        http://fromdressagehorsetocowpony.blogspot.com/

        "I am still under the impression that there is nothing alive quite so beautiful as a thoroughbred horse." -- John Galsworthy

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          #5
          Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
          What makes you think the guy you have can't handle what you've got? And what gives you so much confidence in this other guy you've never seen?

          After your response I'll tell you why I ask this
          George
          Because I'm an experienced horse person and just "know" these things.

          No, seriously, I have a newish rescue TWH that just won't gait. I suspected it was a combo of the bit I was using (he's a trotter and I need more head lift) and his feet. I asked farrier #1 about it and he said "you shoe all horses the same and his feet are fine". Farrier #2 came highly recommend by a friend/TWH owner/neighbor. I took my new boy to him and he did shoe this one horse. He added lightly weighted back shoes and trimmed the heck out of the toes in the front (need a more upright hoof). Guess what? He's gaiting -- not consistantly, that will take many more miles, but he is going better. Don't misunderstand, I really like my current farrier -- I just think I need to go to with #2.

          So, can I have your response now?
          If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
            Because I'm an experienced horse person and just "know" these things.

            No, seriously, I have a newish rescue TWH that just won't gait. I suspected it was a combo of the bit I was using (he's a trotter and I need more head lift) and his feet. I asked farrier #1 about it and he said "you shoe all horses the same and his feet are fine". Farrier #2 came highly recommend by a friend/TWH owner/neighbor. I took my new boy to him and he did shoe this one horse. He added lightly weighted back shoes and trimmed the heck out of the toes in the front (need a more upright hoof). Guess what? He's gaiting -- not consistantly, that will take many more miles, but he is going better. Don't misunderstand, I really like my current farrier -- I just think I need to go to with #2.

            So, can I have your response now?
            You may have opened a can of worms here . . . !
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            "I am still under the impression that there is nothing alive quite so beautiful as a thoroughbred horse." -- John Galsworthy

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              #7
              Originally posted by Tiger Horse View Post
              You may have opened a can of worms here . . . !
              I have done that in the past too. BUT I always learn something. There are a LOT of great COTHer's out there.
              If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                Because I'm an experienced horse person and just "know" these things.

                Farrier #2 came highly recommend by a friend/TWH owner/neighbor.

                So, can I have your response now?
                Ok,
                That's pretty much what I thought you were going to say. Each and every one of us have been fired probably more for that than any other reason. We can have a great working relationship with somebody for many years. Suddenly they get a friend who says "my shoer is great, yours sucks, you really oughta be using mine". And that's how easy it happens. OTOH we've all gotten work that way as well so it works both ways.

                Personally if it were me I'd encourage you to get a foot waver shoer because I have no interest in them and I probably wouldn't stick around to do just one but that's just me.

                Point I'm trying to make is too many owners let their friends do their thinking for them. Kinda like their horses following a herd.

                Go ahead and do what trublandoki said. I'd agree with that one.
                George

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
                  Ok,

                  Point I'm trying to make is too many owners let their friends do their thinking for them. Kinda like their horses following a herd.
                  But, but, #2 did shoe the horse differently and he does go better. I don't want to follow the herd, really I don't. I think I wanted my basic question to be if I should tell the farrier before or after he shoes my horses for the last time.
                  If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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                  • #10
                    firing the farrier-how to do

                    a dozen roses, a box of chocolates and a singing telegram.

                    Actually, honesty is always the best policy and in this case, especially when delivered non-confrontationally

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                      But, but, #2 did shoe the horse differently and he does go better. I don't want to follow the herd, really I don't. I think I wanted my basic question to be if I should tell the farrier before or after he shoes my horses for the last time.
                      I do not think it matters.

                      You are an adult, farrier is an adult. Hopefully both will handle it like adults. I can not see it changing how the farrier does the feet this time if they have done a good job every other time.


                      Just let me say that I hope that in a few months if you want the old farrier back he/she is not too booked to take you back.


                      BTW - I love my farrier!!! I say once you find one that is wonderful you hang on to them!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                        I think I wanted my basic question to be if I should tell the farrier before or after he shoes my horses for the last time.
                        I think you should tell him before. And do that at least a couple of weeks before the appointment. That way he can decide whether or not to work on your horses one more time. If he decides not to, you have some time to get something else lined up before your horses are due.

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                          #13
                          [quote=trubandloki;4167064]
                          Just let me say that I hope that in a few months if you want the old farrier back he/she is not too booked to take you back.

                          quote]

                          Yeah, I thought the same thing . . . . I'd hate to have to write a thread about how bad the gaited farrier is doing my QH!!
                          If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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                          • #14
                            Honesty is the best policy. I was wondering why not keep this farrier for your QH as he is doing a good job on him I would assume and just switch your gaited horses over to a farrier that does a good job working on them. What if farrier #2 helps your gaited horses but hurts your qh?

                            Sorry random question that popped into my mind while reading this thread.
                            I love cats, I love every single cat....
                            So anyway I am a cat lover
                            And I love to run.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Beethoven View Post
                              Honesty is the best policy. I was wondering why not keep this farrier for your QH as he is doing a good job on him I would assume and just switch your gaited horses over to a farrier that does a good job working on them. What if farrier #2 helps your gaited horses but hurts your qh?

                              Sorry random question that popped into my mind while reading this thread.
                              Good idea, but farrier #1 comes out special to my house and does my four horses (and I pay a premium for that). I doubt he'd be willing to come out just for the QH. I might ask him though.
                              If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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                              • #16
                                Just curious - how did the other two gaited horses do with farrier #1?
                                http://fromdressagehorsetocowpony.blogspot.com/

                                "I am still under the impression that there is nothing alive quite so beautiful as a thoroughbred horse." -- John Galsworthy

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Tiger Horse View Post
                                  Just curious - how did the other two gaited horses do with farrier #1?
                                  One is a naturally gaiting baby and he is gaiting as a pacer, the other is fine. But he's fine because he gets shod differently than the new TWH. The fine one is also a pacer (lateral two-beat gait) and can have more toe (like my QH) and it doesn't interfere with his gaiting.

                                  I think the COTHer comments have made me rethink my decision and maybe I can at least offer the three to the old farrier. But again, I don't know if he'll do this or not. I hate confrontation, this farrier has been good to me, but the difference in the trotting TWH is significant. Hmmm. What to do?
                                  If you cannot set a good example, at least serve as a terrible warning....

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                                    One is a naturally gaiting baby and he is gaiting as a pacer, the other is fine. But he's fine because he gets shod differently than the new TWH. The fine one is also a pacer (lateral two-beat gait) and can have more toe (like my QH) and it doesn't interfere with his gaiting.

                                    I think the COTHer comments have made me rethink my decision and maybe I can at least offer the three to the old farrier. But again, I don't know if he'll do this or not. I hate confrontation, this farrier has been good to me, but the difference in the trotting TWH is significant. Hmmm. What to do?
                                    Give them two each

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                                      One is a naturally gaiting baby and he is gaiting as a pacer, the other is fine. But he's fine because he gets shod differently than the new TWH. The fine one is also a pacer (lateral two-beat gait) and can have more toe (like my QH) and it doesn't interfere with his gaiting.
                                      Interesting. My mare is also gaited - her preferred gait is the pace and stepping pace. She also has a great run-walk, when I can get her to "concentrate". She is barefoot and has been for several years now. It would be interesting to see if a "gaited horse" trim would make a difference in gait. Not sure I'm willing to do that though . . .
                                      http://fromdressagehorsetocowpony.blogspot.com/

                                      "I am still under the impression that there is nothing alive quite so beautiful as a thoroughbred horse." -- John Galsworthy

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by CanterQueen View Post
                                        Good idea, but farrier #1 comes out special to my house and does my four horses (and I pay a premium for that). I doubt he'd be willing to come out just for the QH. I might ask him though.
                                        Again speaking only for myself the answer would be no. I do all of them or I do none of them. I'm a bit old school about it but is plenty of guys like me. I see somebody else working at a place I've been providing services I'll consider myself fired and won't be back.
                                        George

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