• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Other than the neck, best place to give IM shot?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Other than the neck, best place to give IM shot?

    As per my other thread, my horse is on Penicillin two times a day. 15 cc each time (IM), as well as another drug (not sure how to spell it) Genetomyacin, 10cc 2x a day also given in the muscle.

    He's getting a yucky lump on both sides of his neck, and I want to know where else I can safely give this shot. I've only given them in the neck as i've never had to give more than one IM shot at a time.

    I believe that giving it in the rump is a great way to get kicked.... as he is feeling better and would probably lash out a bit.

    Any suggestions as to deal with these big swollen lumps would be great as well.

  • #2
    If the shots are being given properly he shouldn't be getting big lumps..
    Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
      If the shots are being given properly he shouldn't be getting big lumps..
      Ok.... so maybe I'm giving them wrong? I was gone for the weekend and the individual administering the IM shots is very experienced.....

      Now I"m just confused.

      Comment


      • #4
        You can do the chest, but I never have. My favorite spot by far is the hamstring.

        Long series of penicillin injections can indeed leave a horse pretty "lumpy", IME. It's just such a large volume and there is only so much muscle in the neck. Hence my preference for meatier areas.
        Click here before you buy.

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          Deltawave--

          Do you worry about getting kicked? I need to switch up my location ASAP, because I do not want lumps! The hamstring, that would be "behind" the horse below the point of the buttock?

          Pony Club is a long long time ago!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by deltawave View Post
            You can do the chest, but I never have. My favorite spot by far is the hamstring.

            Long series of penicillin injections can indeed leave a horse pretty "lumpy", IME. It's just such a large volume and there is only so much muscle in the neck. Hence my preference for meatier areas.
            The oldster I cared for was on penicillin for nearly 2 weeks straight, and we gave the injections in the rump. No lumps whatsoever. So maybe you're right, it's all about location.
            Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

            Comment


            • #7
              Cold hosing and Sore No More (or DMSO) will help with the swelling. Penicillin shots are going to be harder on the horse, because the stuff is so thick and the needle gauge has to be larger. I'm not surprised you're getting some swelling.

              The only other place I would do the shot is the hindquarters, by the hamstring as deltawave suggested. If you're getting irritation in the neck, I think the muscles in the chest will definitely swell...JMHO...
              If you must choose between two evils, choose the one that you've never tried before.

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
                The oldster I cared for was on penicillin for nearly 2 weeks straight, and we gave the injections in the rump. No lumps whatsoever. So maybe you're right, it's all about location.
                On top of the rump?

                I'm terrified of getting kicked.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by RegentLion View Post
                  On top of the rump?

                  I'm terrified of getting kicked.
                  If you administer the shot correctly, the horse just about has to be a contortionist to be able to kick you.

                  Ask your vet how to safely give an injection in the rump. We give them in the meaty top part of the rump, kind of above the hip, sorta.
                  Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Yes, the hamstring is the big muscle that runs parallel to the tail. I aim for the fleshiest part, not too far off to either side--sort of following a plumb line down from the point of the buttocks, about at the point where the curve of the muscle is at its greatest.

                    I prefer this to the gluteals (on top of the rump) because the skin is much thinner, the lymphatic drainage is different, and any swelling or potential abscess will be immediately apparent, whereas gluteal muscle injections can hide a lot of that--the drainage is into the pelvis, and a potential abscess can "hide" more readily. But basically it's just easier to poke 'em in the back of the leg--thinner skin and easier to reach. My horses all tolerate injections pretty stoically, but if there's any worry you can twitch the animal or have someone hold up a front leg.
                    Click here before you buy.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                      Yes, the hamstring is the big muscle that runs parallel to the tail. I aim for the fleshiest part, not too far off to either side--sort of following a plumb line down from the point of the buttocks, about at the point where the curve of the muscle is at its greatest.

                      I prefer this to the gluteals (on top of the rump) because the skin is much thinner, the lymphatic drainage is different, and any swelling or potential abscess will be immediately apparent, whereas gluteal muscle injections can hide a lot of that--the drainage is into the pelvis, and a potential abscess can "hide" more readily. But basically it's just easier to poke 'em in the back of the leg--thinner skin and easier to reach. My horses all tolerate injections pretty stoically, but if there's any worry you can twitch the animal or have someone hold up a front leg.
                      That's funny, because I find the top of the butt way easier than anything else. That's the way I was originally taught though, so I've had the most practice there. I'd also be afraid of getting smacked in the face with the tail in the glutes area, with how some of em swish the tails with a shot!
                      Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Obviously there are very many ways to do it right--it is all a matter of preference, experience, and also what works for a given horse.
                        Click here before you buy.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                          Obviously there are very many ways to do it right--it is all a matter of preference, experience, and also what works for a given horse.
                          Definitely.
                          Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            My horse was injured last fall and was on Gentacin & Naxcel. He received three shots a day. Not only was his neck VERY sore, he become highly uncooperative. My vet told me to give him the shots in his chest in the "boob" part. It worked like a charm.
                            "We're still right, they're still wrong" James Carville

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chism View Post
                              My horse was injured last fall and was on Gentacin & Naxcel. He received three shots a day. Not only was his neck VERY sore, he become highly uncooperative. My vet told me to give him the shots in his chest in the "boob" part. It worked like a charm.
                              That's my favorite spot for annual shots BUT it wouldn't be my choice for something that I knew was likely to make a yucky lump. My vet told me of the neck, hamstring area, and chest, the chest is most likely to abscess--and it droops bigtime when it gets lumpy. Very cosmetically blech.
                              Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I prefer the chest...that meaty area right between the front legs and most horses do not object as much there as other places I've found. I really don't like to do shots in the hamstring...way too painful there for them it seems and too easy for them to move/kick. Where ever you give it, keep in mind that an abscess is possible and the lower on the body you go, the easier it is to drain. The worst place for an abscess is the top of the rump and the neck is probably second worst. I knew a friend's horse that got gas gangrene in the neck from two shots. She had a hole so big you could put several fingers in each one. The horse hurt so bad it could barely eat or drink either.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I prefer the chest - lots of muscle and less likely to cause any lameness issues. If an abcess ever did develop, it would drain better than other areas, according to my vet. With penicillin, don't plunge the syringe too quickly so the volume has a chance to dissipate.
                                  Martha Haley - NeverSayNever Farm
                                  2009 KWN-NA Breeder of the Year/Silver Level Breeder
                                  www.angelfire.com/ns2/our_horses/
                                  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Never...01844536521951

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    I prefer the butt...I think deltawave described it quite well. I thought, how on earth am I going to try and explain/describe this.

                                    I have done neck, chest, and butt. Neck, horse gets sore, chest got edema, and butt, well lets just say I had to give a percheron a pen/gent shots for a few weeks, two times within a few months. She was getting 60cc as I recall, and had to split the pen shots up one on each butt, and then do a shot of gentamicin! Poor girl.

                                    How to Be Your Own Veternarian Sometimes, by Ruth James DVM is a great book to have on hand. It also shows in pictures where to administer IM shots.
                                    The book is invaluable, and if I only could have one book in my library, that would be it.
                                    Also, shows how to shoot a horse...not that any of us would want to, but if an emergency, at least directions are accessible.
                                    save lives...spay/neuter/geld

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Also above the elbow-- deltoids?

                                      Basically pick the spot where you have lots of flesh between skin and bone or big nerves.

                                      For big-volume injections or many shots per day, definitely rotate around you horse's body.

                                      I also like to pick the muscle that seems most relaxed and able to accommodate lots of volume.

                                      Finally, rub over the injection site and hand-walk some in order to help the stuff get from the big reservoir in the muscle you just made to the blood stream. For this reason, I like using muscles that move while the horse does. I don't think the neck or high up on the croup offer that as wells as do the hams or deltoids.
                                      The armchair saddler
                                      Politically Pro-Cat

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Well I did it! I googled (i know... i know... ) and got a good pic of the area Deltawave was talking about.

                                        I gave his shots this AM in the hamstring and he objected to the first pick but not the second or third (I did one on each side and divided the penecilin). He is a well mannered fellow but did pick up his leg some. I did the pinch-the-skin trick and that worked like a charm!

                                        The vet changed his meds today so tonight I did Naxel (sp?) in the hamstring and that went just fine as well. No more Pen. Whee!

                                        To think I layed awake worrying about this!

                                        Vet suggested warm, moist heat for the neck swelling.

                                        thanks guys for all the suggestions/advice. I'm also going to look into that book--"How to be your own vet sometimes" Thanks for the suggestion, fivehorses! Up here we have to do what we have to do and often not a vet close/handy. I feel pretty competent in most things but IM shots other than the neck is clearly not one of them!

                                        Thanks again.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X