• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

AGGGHHH!! (HR) My husband is driving me crazy!

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • AGGGHHH!! (HR) My husband is driving me crazy!

    How much hay do you feed in the Summer? We have about 4 acres and a 17.2 hand horse and a mini donkey. There is plenty of grass and I want to keep it that way. My husband says I'm going through too much hay now that we have all this grass. I've been feeding about a bale every three days. I don't know how much the bale weighs, but they always finish what I give them. They eat their food and then want their hay am I spoiling them? They eat crimped oats, beet pulp and a little flax seed. MEN!

  • #2
    This is one of those things that is largely variable based on your location, weather, and maintenance of and quality of the pasture.

    In Iowa or here in MI with what you describe--2 critters and 4 acres? No hay. I don't have to feed hay from about May 1 through Sept.

    In TX? Sure we had "pasture" but we had to feed hay year round.

    So...the answer is...it's hard to say.
    A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

    Might be a reason, never an excuse...


    • #3
      If there are 4 acres of good quality pasture, then frankly I'm with your husband. Why pay for the hay when they have plenty already?

      Like BuddyRoo said, the answer would be variable depending on where you live, so it's hard to give a solid answer, but if it's not necessary I certainly wouldn't be feeding the hay.

      Perhaps ask your vet, since he's probably familiar with your area/pasture?


      • #4
        Also depends if they are locked up for any amount of time.


        • #5
          I'm in Virginia and don't feed hay from late Spring through early Fall. Mine do get about 1/2 scoop of crimped oats/corn in the evening. I do have hay left over which I might feed them (4) just to get rid of it. Last year I didn't feed any hay and I had wonderfully plump and shiny horses.
          I think your husband is right IF you have a lot of nice pasture that will last all Summer.


          • #6

            I put hay out even in the middle of summer and we have about 15 acres fenced. However, it is a mix of pasture, woodlands, up and down. We're in the Hudson Valley, NY, think rolling hills, ravines, but very pretty.

            I feed hay because I've noticed that sometimes they want hay. I'm not sure maybe the grass is too rich, too this, too that but for whatever reason, we continue to feed hay through out the summer.

            Also, we don't fertilize or do much to our pastures so I always think that there might be something lacking. To me at $4 bucks a bale, it's cheap enough to keep feeding them throughout.

            Tell the hubs to quit griping, you could be paying board! Arh, arh!
            Sorry! But that barn smell is my aromatherapy!
            One of our horsey bumper stickers! www.horsehollowpress.com
            Add Very Funny Horse Bumper Stickers on facebook


            • #7
              Forr variety, I believe horses should always be offered hay even when there is grass. If they are eating the hay, then they are saying they want/need it. How good is your grass, maybe it is missing something they are looking for.


              • #8
                This early in the year, we're still feeding a good bit of hay, even with the grass. We have one gelding that super overindulges on grass, so we like to keep his tummy full of hay, so he slows down. Otherwise we end up icing his feet.

                We have 3. My TB mare, who is a super hard keeper, and needs hay on a daily basis, regardless. Her overindulgent fat QH husband, and a little 10 hand pony that is a vaccuum cleaner, and is happy as long as he has something to chew on.

                I think it depends on the horse and the work level. Are we feeding as much hay now as we do in the winter, noooo way! But they are still getting hay, and they are stalled at night. As the summer moves on, they will eat less and less hay, but we always only feed what they will eat, so it's not like it's being wasted.

                If your horses are eating all their hay, they need it. They aren't going to choose hay over fresh grass, so it's not them wanting the hay and snubbing the grass...
                Strong promoter of READING the entire post before responding.


                • #9
                  That's not bad at all. I am pretty sure my OTTB could go through one bale of hay a day all by himself.


                  • Original Poster

                    The horse and donkey are always out and always grazing. I think I will cut back a bunch on the hay. I still don't feel right cutting it out completely. I'll look at it like a treat for them. If I don't give it to them during meals they just keep calling at me everytime they see me. Thanks for all the input.
                    CRAYOLA Posse: PLUM


                    • #11
                      Unless they are overweight, if you are feeding them hay and they are eating it, then it is probably a good idea. I know the time to stop feeding hay is when they stop eating it. Mine are starting to leave it, so I am cutting back now. But I know exactly what you mean. My husband is saying the same thing! "We have 40 acres of GRASS. Why are you still buying HAY!" Answer, because they are still eating it! (Just the babies, the others are all fat and don't get any hay)


                      • #12
                        Well, how fat are they?


                        • #13
                          If you're going to cut down on the hay and rely upon grass, be sure to have a good pasture management system in place including rotational grazing.

                          This will really let you get the most out of your grass and help keep it more productive and sustainable.


                          Healthy forage plants are more productive if given an opportunity to regrow between grazings. You can enhance forage growth by dividing a pasture into at least four separately fenced paddocks and rotating your horses among them.

                          Since grass pasture plants grow most rapidly in spring and slow down in the fall, you will need to experiment to come up with an optimum rotation length. Start with three to four weeks of rest per paddock during summer, maybe fewer in spring and more in fall.

                          The stocking rate per acre does not change under a rotational grazing plan. The general rule of thumb is to start your horses grazing in a paddock when the forages are at least 6 to 10 inches long; move your horses after they have grazed the forage to an average height of 3 to 4 inches. (If bluegrass is the dominant forage, horses can graze it down to 2 inches and then get turned back into the pasture when it has reached a height of 6 to 8 inches.)

                          For example, say you have two horses and four acres of pasture with uniform soil type, topography, plant species, and yield throughout the entire area. You could divide the pasture into four one-acre paddocks and graze the horses for one week per paddock. This will give each paddock three weeks to regrow. If regrowth is slower, you’ll need to supplement the pasture with hay. If the growth is faster, you’ll need to rotate more often or make hay from the paddock.

                          Undergrazing (grazing too few horses on too large of a paddock for too short of a grazing period) can encourage horses to selectively graze and result in a lot of underutilized forage requiring clipping or hay making.

                          Lightweight electric fencing consisting of polywire strung on lightweight plastic or fiberglass posts work well for dividing a pasture into paddocks. These materials are easily connected to perimeter fences and allow you to modify the paddock size or shape depending on forage growth.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Androcles View Post
                            Forr variety, I believe horses should always be offered hay even when there is grass. If they are eating the hay, then they are saying they want/need it. How good is your grass, maybe it is missing something they are looking for.

                            it also depends on your horse's job.
                            Nutrition varies greatly.

                            For a pet or a once in a while ride I would probably not pay for the hay. But for intense work I put as much forage in front of them as possible.
                            Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!


                            • #15
                              What is your husband's angle? Just spending money? Is he a horseperson, and you two are simply having a disagreement about management? Or is he just figuring a horse can eat grass and do perfectly well?

                              Either way, arm yourself with some statistics and data (including how much a bale weighs) and bury him with facts.
                              Click here before you buy.


                              • Original Poster

                                Ha! Husband's angle is not wanting to spend the money on hay when we have grass. The 17.2 hand horse is a good weight, by no means fat. The donkey is a little plump and I'm thinking it's time for a grazing muzzle for little bit. I am trying to cut back on the hay since they are really both pasture puffs. The horse I ride ocassionally, but is injured so we only walk for 15 minutes and call it quits. I guess they are both majorly spoiled. Oh husband is not a horse person and thinks they are big dogs. He has gotten better about not scaring them to death... He is starting to realize they might be a little different from dogs.
                                CRAYOLA Posse: PLUM


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Maybeapril View Post
                                  How much hay do you feed in the Summer? We have about 4 acres and a 17.2 hand horse and a mini donkey. There is plenty of grass and I want to keep it that way. My husband says I'm going through too much hay now that we have all this grass. I've been feeding about a bale every three days. I don't know how much the bale weighs, but they always finish what I give them. They eat their food and then want their hay am I spoiling them? They eat crimped oats, beet pulp and a little flax seed. MEN!
                                  Perhaps you need to cut his beer back so he understands better

                                  Yes, are they overweight or just right? Do they waste a lot of the hay (does not sound like they do). Do they prefer the hay over the grass? Is the grass pretty much eaten down ??


                                  • #18
                                    I feed hay year round. This time of year, there isn't enough fibre in the grass (we're just greening up here, and the first dandelions are blooming). The horses seem to want their hay, and will clean it up before moving out onto the grass. I'm feeding 2 bales per day total to 2 draft horses, a small pony and a small donkey. One of the draft horses and the donkey have been wearing their grazing muzzles for over 2 weeks now. In high summer, they will get one bale total per day; deepest winter, 4 bales total per day.
                                    My Equestrian Art Photography page


                                    • #19
                                      thank you draft driver for your explanation about fiber.

                                      The grass has just started growing here too but the horses still want their hay. In fact, it's rare that they don't clean up their hay -except maybe 1 or 2 mid summer months. I could never figure out why they want/need their hay.

                                      OP - I feed hay year round and do not have fat horses (except the pony who is NOT on grass)... I keep feeding hay because they keep eating it. They (TBs) seem to need their hay to keep their weight up.