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Young horse euthanized after given Quest wormer.

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    Young horse euthanized after given Quest wormer.

    A friend posted this story and info on my facebook page. Here's link to story.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/468298520018903/
    Original Poster

    #2
    https://notabreed.wordpress.com/2015...se-named-bogo/

    Another link to same story.

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      #3
      Just noticed this was an old story - thought it was new because it was just posted to my facebook page - didn't look at date until now.

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        #4
        Old news.

        Quest/Quest Plus have a well known low threshold for overdosing.

        Strict attention must be paid to the dose given to avoid illness or death.

        Especially in young, small, ponies, or mini horses. Or thin, sick, or debilitated horses.

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          #5
          Old story, and the issue discussed extensively on COTH in the past.

          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...t-safe(er)-now

          amazing how the old schock! horror! posts keep circulating on Facebook forever.

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            #6
            Well, it may be old news, but I hadn't heard it, so thanks for getting the information out (again).

            Better safe than sorry. We often mention on COTH that there are folks from all levels of horse knowledge, newbie to expert. Hopefully this educates and isn't just a shock! horror! grab for eyeballs.
            "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

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              #7
              READ and FOLLOW the dosing instructions for your horses age, size and condition on the label. I don't think the FDA regulates equine wormers????

              Terrible to lose a cute colt like this and understand wanting to blame somebody but...
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                #8
                Looking at the video it appears it was a young horse.

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                  #9
                  For all medications there are parameters. A horse can as easily be killed by a misuse of Bute, to mention a common medication.

                  The manufacturer of Quest clearly states that dosing is critical. And it not unusual to have medications that are suitable for one specie that are death sentences for another. Acetylsalicylic acid for one.

                  One the other hand I have seen horse owner, seemingly knowledgeable folks give their 1400 pound warmblood a dose of dewormer suitable for a 1200 pound horse.
                  Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                  Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                    #10
                    Bogo was actually under-dosed. This was not an age or dosing issue.

                    No necropsy was done, and it's harmful and slanderous IMHO for the owners to blame the dewormer without it. Correlation does not equal causation.

                    I'd have to find it again, but I did read that Bogo tested positive for EPM (whether he was symptomatic I have never read one way or the other) BUT, nether ivermectin nor moxidectin should be given to EPM horses because of the increased ability (though still quite small) for it to cross the blood-brain barrier.

                    Ivermectin has killed horses too, yet nobody has a problem throwing that at their horses every 6-8 weeks Well, ok, those who actually know better have a problem, but those who think horses need to be dewormed constantly, don't have a problem with it.
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                    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

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                      #11
                      Quest scares me.
                      When my barn uses it, my 15.2 hand, maybe 900 lb, horse does not get a full tube.

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                        #12
                        Why does it scare you?

                        At 900 lb he doesn't need a full tube, but I HOPE he's getting at least a 1000lb dose to truly ensure he's not being under-dosed.
                        ______________________________
                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

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                          #13
                          He had a fever of 105.3. There was no proof the quest was the cause,he was only dosed for 200 lbs and he was a 700 to 750 lb horse.

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                            #14
                            My horse exhibited colic-like symptoms for about 12 hours post being dosed (appropriately & by exact weight!) with Quest Plus.
                            My vet said "No more Quest for him."
                            I use Equimax & regular ivermectin now and have no issues & clean fecals.
                            No Quest for me again.

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                              #15
                              Both my horses get Quest Plus spring and fall (vet recommended) at their appropriate doses, never had a problem.

                              I had always been taught colic or any GI symptoms are more related to high worm load die off (the dewormer did too good of a job). Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only symptoms I know of that are definitive for dewormer OD are neurological.
                              "It's great that you have a favorite animal, but how about picking a cooler one like a horse? Or a miniature horse?"

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by SugarRush View Post
                                Both my horses get Quest Plus spring and fall (vet recommended) at their appropriate doses, never had a problem.

                                I had always been taught colic or any GI symptoms are more related to high worm load die off (the dewormer did too good of a job). Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only symptoms I know of that are definitive for dewormer OD are neurological.
                                He couldn't of been OD on the wormer when he was only given 200lb worth of wormer. And he weighed 700 to 750 lbs that's was stated in the second link given. He was underdosed NOT overdosed. So not sure how Quest wormer could of been the cause of his neurological problems.

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                                  #17
                                  Ugh, COTH isn't allowing me to quote tonight. JB above wrote the horse was EPM positive, which when mixed with certain dewormers can be dangerous (and is contraindicated).
                                  "It's great that you have a favorite animal, but how about picking a cooler one like a horse? Or a miniature horse?"

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SugarRush View Post
                                    Ugh, COTH isn't allowing me to quote tonight. JB above wrote the horse was EPM positive, which when mixed with certain dewormers can be dangerous (and is contraindicated).
                                    To quote right click quote icon then click on open new tab. Then you can quote. Same to edit. Or double click icons for quote & edit,works for some doesn't work for others.

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                                      #19
                                      I can usually requote, it's either the mobile site or my iPad tonight.
                                      "It's great that you have a favorite animal, but how about picking a cooler one like a horse? Or a miniature horse?"

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SugarRush View Post
                                        I can usually requote, it's either the mobile site or my iPad tonight.
                                        It's COTH having issues go look at the help forum. Everyone on here is having issues with Quoting & editing. Not your mobile site or ipad trouble.

                                        Only way i can Quote is by right clicking same for Edit other wise it just spins & spins and never loads.

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