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  • best joint supplement?

    I am cross eyed over all the choices from SmartPak. I have my 20 month old filly on MSM for a soft tissue injury but it's been suggested that I put her on one that contains glucosamine, condroitin, etc. What are some of your favorites? Should it contain methionine, HA etc?

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    I personally feel my money is better spent on Adequan and Legend, as the injectibles are actually proven to do something. I can give both once a month for about $100 total, which is comparable to some of the more expensive feed-throughs.

    How's that filly of yours doing? I'm not sure I ever saw a follow up after the new vet evaluated her...did I miss it?

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      #3
      Hi Simkie! Thanks as always. The appt with the surgeon was put off til next week as our road and hill is too icey to get the trailer out! She is doing about the same. I have not had her on stall rest, just turn out with our 3 other horses, and all of them escaped from the pasture several times when we first moved to our new place. The surgeon seems to think there might be a chip that the others missed, I think she has just repeatedly re-injured it (after several 2 mile jaunts down the road) I am anxious to see updated radiographs; figuring until then since she's pretty quiet I will just leave her turned out. We will stall rest her again if necessary.

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      • #4
        My vet recommended Platinum Performance CJ. All the vets at their practice recommend it. They are not big on recommending supps, but they really feel it has great ingredients, including the "newer" one that is made from avocados - ASU I think - which he stated has done very well in trials. My horse is a happy boy on it and in general, everything has improved - hooves, shiny coat - I could NEVER get a shiny coat on him until PP. It's pricey but I have found it to be very worth it, but it is a more complete supplement....you may not need or want that if you just want joint supps.

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        • #5
          I have had good results with Corta-Flx pellets.

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          • #6
            Cosequin ASU. Hands down.

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            • #7
              I've tried a ton of supplements both expensive and cheap. I'd start with something simple like MSM. If it doesn't work add chondroitin, glucosamine then HA. For price and results I've been impressed with Corta-Flx.
              Be sure to watch how much you're paying. For what some supplements cost you could buy adequan and legend.

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              • #8
                1. Cosequin ASU
                2. Coesquine
                3. Cortaflex

                I wouldn't waste money on any other type. These three have the most information to back up their claims. The thing to remember with joint supplements, oral or injectable, is that on some horses they work, on some they don't. It is just a fact of life.
                Amanda

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                • #9
                  I use Joint Combo Hoof and Coat by Farnam. It has similar ingredients to Cosequin.

                  When I bought my horse he was on it so I used the bucket he came with and then tried to discontinue- I saw a difference. About a year later I decided to try to discontinue again (based on all the info that oral joint sups don't do anything.) Again, he seemed stiffer and less comfortable. So, he's now been on it for years. (I use the hoof and coat in the summer and the classic in the winter when his hooves usually do fine on their own. I do think the hoof formula does help his hooves as well in the summer when Colorado is really dry and the ground can get really hard.)

                  So, no scientific evidence, just a 20yo TB who does better on it than nothing. It does get a lot of stars on the reviews on Smarkpak though.

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                  • #10
                    MSM
                    Yucca

                    Adequan
                    Legend

                    good luck with the other stuffs.
                    http://kaboomeventing.com/
                    http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
                    Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!

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                    • #11
                      I like Cosequin ASU. The company that makes this product has actually produced some data to back up their product.

                      I use this on a 13 yr old gelding who has arthritis in right hock joint. It works great!

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                      • #12
                        Conquer gel. It had a scientific study done in the Equine Veterinary Journal with good results post-surgery. The Horse Journal also stated that they believed it to be as helpful as HA done I.V. like Legend. Good stuff.

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                        • #13
                          Has anyone tried Acti-flex 4000?

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                          • #14
                            http://www.shermarenterprises.com/fourflexha.htm

                            Ingredients:

                            Each 1 oz serving contains -

                            Glucosamine Sulfate: 7,500 mg.
                            MSM: 7,500 mg.
                            Yucca: 2,500 mg.
                            Chondroitin Sulfate: 1,200 mg.
                            Vitamin C: 1,000 mg.
                            Sodium Hyaluronate: 100 mg.

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                            • #15
                              I recently started my mare on Total Joint Care Performance.
                              http://www.ramardinc.com/cart/item.aspx?ID=15&d=
                              It is has been great, much happier mare. She definately feels better, the farrier even commented how she seemed much more comfy when getting her feet done. I did a sort of test, as she was switching from Corta- Flx Rx, and didn't know how many days were left of that, and noticed a big difference in her step a couple days after the switch.

                              Ingredients: Per Serving
                              Hyaluronic Acid Sodium 200mg
                              Purified 1 million dalton molecular weight or greater, microbial fermented (not derived from animal cartilage or collagen based)
                              Glucosamine HCL 6000mg
                              Chondroitin Sulfate Sodium 3000mg
                              MSM 3000mg
                              Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 1000mg
                              Zinc 50mg

                              If you buy it through KV vet, it is $59.95 with free shipping for a month.
                              The Procrastinators Anonymous meeting has been postponed again.

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                              • #16
                                I use actiflex 4000 and think it works well exept in the winter when it freezes then i switch to the cosequin asu but as soon as we have enough warm days in a row its back to the actiflex for me because honestly it has had great results on my 19yr young mare (thinks shes 3) who has arthritis. we just started her on polyglycan iv injections and the vet took a look at the actiflex and thought it had good amounts of glouc,msm ect. and for me its budget friendly.

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                                • #17
                                  I think it varies for horse. I like liquid MSM and am using Flex Force Sodium Hyaluronate Solution, which is made by Corta-Flex. My mare has done really well on this, better than she was when I had her on Adequan.

                                  Every response is different, I believe. I also like the Conquer Gel and that was recommended by my vet also.

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                                  • #18
                                    I have had great results with the Total Joint Care by Ramard. I get mine at Big Dee's Tack for $59.95 and the shipping is free on the little one!
                                    http://www.bigdweb.com/detail.aspx?id=42547

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                                    • #19
                                      http://www.smartpakequine.com/health.../Glossary.aspx

                                      MSM (Anti Inflammatory) is a source of organic sulfur which is required for a number of functions in the body. Sulfur plays critical roles in the formation of protein, connective tissue, immunoglobulins and enzymes. MSM is a safe and inexpensive compound that may support healthy joints; a strong immune system; and resilient skin, coat and hooves.

                                      Glucosamine (Cartilage) is the building block of chondroitin sulfate, a specific type of polysulfated glycosaminoglycan (GAG). Current research suggests glucosamine has two beneficial actions in joints. Not only does it increase the production of new GAGs and therefore new cartilage, glucosamine has also been shown to inhibit the free radicals and enzymes that break down cartilage. This small but complex molecule has an important role in both the production and protection of joints.

                                      Hyaluronic Acid (Joint Fluid) ,or HA, is an integral component of joint cartilage and joint fluid, providing both lubrication and shock absorption. Hyaluronic acid is what makes joint fluid “sticky.” Because it blocks inflammatory reactions, protecting cells in the joint, HA is especially useful in acute situations as well as flare-ups of chronic joint conditions.

                                      Chondroitin Sulfate (More Cartilage) is not only the building block of the much larger molecules hyaluronic acid (HA) and proteoglycan (PG) it also inhibits the effects of various enzymes that degrade cartilage. Research has shown that chondroitin sulfate is bioavailable in the horse and that it appears to work synergistically with glucosamine to stimulate new cartilage production and inhibit cartilage breakdown.

                                      Vitamin C (Absorption of Supplements) (Ascorbic Acid, Ester C) is an antioxidant that works with Vitamin A and Vitamin E to protect the tissues of the body, especially those of the respiratory system. It is also important in the production of connective tissues like tendons and ligaments, skin and hooves, bones and teeth. Under normal circumstances, horses make their own Vitamin C in the liver from glucose. However, disease, transport, “heaves,” old age and endurance exercise have all been shown to decrease blood levels of Vitamin C, indicating horses undergoing these particular stresses may benefit from dietary supplementation.

                                      Collagen (Soft Tissue) is the main structural protein found in the connective tissues of the body (skin, bones, cartilage, tendons, ligaments). Hydrolyzed collagen protein (gelatin) is a modified form that has been broken down into smaller pieces making it easier to digest and absorb. Collagen and gelatin are inexpensive ingredients used to support joint health, nourish bones and the tendons and ligaments surrounding them, and aid in recovery from exercise and injury.

                                      ASU stands for Avocado Soy Unsaponifiables. In a recent study of horses with osteoarthritis, supplementing with ASU significantly reduced the severity of articular cartilage breakdown and joint membrane bleeding. It also significantly increased the production of natural chondroitin sulfate and other glycosaminoglycans.

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                                      • #20
                                        My horse also has a soft tissue problem and some arthritis from an old injury.

                                        The supplement that I found that helps him is Recovery EQ. It is designed to help with soft tissue and joints. I noticed a big change in him when using the Recovery EQ compared to the many other supplements I had tried him on prior.

                                        I think it helps my horse better since part of his problem is a soft tissue injury - so this product helps him with both things instead of just the arthritis. I get mine from SmartPak, it is cheaper to get it in the cups instead of a bucket.

                                        If you want to know more about it, here is a link

                                        http://www.recoveryeq.com/recovery_eq.htm

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