• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

If you keep picking at it, it will never heal.

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • If you keep picking at it, it will never heal.

    The fence is electric, except in the run in area and of course CG got hurt striking though the field fencing at the mare in the next pasture. He's been to the vet and the vet washed it and cut off the flap of skin that was hanging. I shouldn't have watched btw.

    Anyway, it was wrapped and vet said remove the wrap after a couple of days and hose with water 10 minutes and apply Matrix, rinse repeat. Well we tried that but, his lovely heart-shaped wound on his pastern kept getting dirty, so we rewrapped it. I'm glad we did because it rained and was muddy out here. Took off the wrap Wednesday, hosed, Matrixed, and left the wrap off.

    I get a call today that CG's nose is all bloody from picking at his wound. Agh, leave it alone! So much for the little bits of skin that were forming, sigh. It's wrapped again and I am sick of gory blood-streaming hearts. Be gone Valentine's Day!

    I have found that my vet book, while going on and on about different diseases and even conformation, seems to have a lack of information about wound care. This is my first horse injury and I don't want to mess it up. Some advice please.

  • #2
    I would keep him in a stall and either apply raplast to the bandage or put a neck cradle on him.
    McDowell Racing Stables

    Home Away From Home

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      There is no stall where I board, only pasture and run in with shelter. I don't think he picks at the bandage, just when the bandage is off. I've threatened to put one of these on him. http://www.marvistavet.com/assets/im...han_collar.gif

      Comment


      • #4
        When my mare hurt her leg - huge skin flap - I kept it wrapped 24/7, changing the wrap daily. It healed with barely a scar, but it was a LOT of work on my part.

        I never did keep her in a stall while it healed - I just made sure that the wrap was on well, so it wouldn't slip.
        The Equine Wellness and Nutrition FB Group - Come join us!!
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/equinewellness/

        Comment


        • #5
          Clean it up, apply goop of choice (mine would be panalog) wrap carefully, firmly and thoroughly, (you need some compression to get things to knit together nice and flat) topping off with elasticon, then leave for three days. Remove wrapping, check wound. DO NOT WASH, SCRUB, or otherwise disturb the healing tissue, except for a wipe over to remove any gunge. Reapply goop of choice, re-wrap. Repeat for a couple of weeks. Watch how wound is progressing--obviously, watch for infection or excessive granulation tissue (you shouldn't getthis if you've got the compression thing right and oyu use somethig like panalog.) You may well need to do this for a month or so, but it should heal cleanly and without issue--just don't frack around with it too much as long as it is clean and dry and under a bit of pressure.

          One of my horses likes to try and cut his limbs off on the most unlikely things (road signs, sluice gates...), so I've got quite good at this...

          Comment


          • #6
            Ditto atr's response. That is exactly the procedure given to us from our vet. I've got a mare who managed to take off a huge flap of skin across her front fetlock. We use Novalsan ointment on gauze pads and daily bandage changes. Also restricted movement to a small dry lot area. No harsh scrubbing of the wound; just a rinse with antiseptic solution. It's going on 4 weeks now, but we're clearly making progress.

            Comment


            • #7
              Unfortunately lots of experience with this type of wound. We are too far from a decent vet so we do the work ourselves. Once it is clean, we put Corona ointment on a diaper or an "depends" (adult diaper). Wrap with vet wrap and then put on a no bow quilt and a standing wrap. Daily we rebandage and wipe clean, reapply new diaper with ointment and rewrap with quilt and standing wrap. We continue to wrap until the leg is totally healed. Yes, it can take months but they end up with very little scar.

              If they have a tendency to pick at it, we then use electrical tape over the standing bandage.

              We had one guy really do a number on his leg. He decided to scratch his butt and the post gave away and he stuck his leg through the fence. So, this winter, his little brother slipped on the snow and stuck his leg (same leg as his big brother) through the panel and took a chunk of hide with it. Now little brother is on the same diaper and wrap routine that his older brother had been on. They now really look like twins.

              Good luck,
              Nancy!

              Comment


              • #8
                My goop of choice is silversulfadiazine ointment. It can be used with out a wrap if slathered on religiously frequently. It is prescription, and used in human burn medicine.

                However, in your situation, I would wrap. Should the bandage stay dry, leave it for several days, if wet, muddy, change it. In the fetlock and pastern area you can use mininal padding. but you do want compression.

                As stated before, leave it alone. Minimal cleaning, just reslather the ointment, rewrap, and wish for drier weather.

                Too many years experience with this stuff in too many legs.
                Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Thank you for the advice

                  I've been paranoid that not following the vet instructions would be bad for the wound. I can keep it wrapped, gooped, and daily changes, no problem. Not watering it will feel weird though. Thanks everyone.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    What we did for our horse who cut his hock so bad he had to have joint perfusion was furazone, granulex, and wrapping. 4 months later he's back to jumping with a big scar, but totally sound. The granulex took care of any remaining proud flesh, and the wrapping helped with the healing/picking at/proud flesh formation.

                    Oh, and he was on stall rest (because it was a joint and she wanted to reduce movement of the joint capsule so it would heal over) with straw rather than shavings to reduce the chance of something working in there under the bandage. We always put the injured ones on straw because our vet feels that it stays cleaner that way, and we've had really good luck with this protocol.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I'm a picker, too!! My vet comments on how such a good thing that is. Maybe he's just helping you out so you don't have to get all dirty?

                      I'm dealing w/ a fillet front of a RH cannon from the bottom of the hock to the fetlock right now on a 2yo. I've left it open and spray it w/ antiseptic twice a day. It's awful to look at, but he doesn't seem to mind and he leaves it alone. (I don't blame him.) He's currently in "snow therapy" and been out 24/7 ever since and is doing great. It's been almost a week and it's about to the start to pick at stage. Whether or not he'll let me do it is up to him though.

                      Good luck w/ your boy.
                      A Merrick N Dream Farm
                      Proud Member of "Someone Special to me serves in the Military" Clique

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by One is Enough View Post
                        The fence is electric, except in the run in area and of course CG got hurt striking though the field fencing at the mare in the next pasture. He's been to the vet and the vet washed it and cut off the flap of skin that was hanging. I shouldn't have watched btw.

                        Anyway, it was wrapped and vet said remove the wrap after a couple of days and hose with water 10 minutes and apply Matrix, rinse repeat. Well we tried that but, his lovely heart-shaped wound on his pastern kept getting dirty, so we rewrapped it. I'm glad we did because it rained and was muddy out here. Took off the wrap Wednesday, hosed, Matrixed, and left the wrap off.

                        I get a call today that CG's nose is all bloody from picking at his wound. Agh, leave it alone! So much for the little bits of skin that were forming, sigh. It's wrapped again and I am sick of gory blood-streaming hearts. Be gone Valentine's Day!

                        I have found that my vet book, while going on and on about different diseases and even conformation, seems to have a lack of information about wound care. This is my first horse injury and I don't want to mess it up. Some advice please.
                        your horse needs to be in and constant vertinary care and to be more stable so his wounds can heal and you need to do it at leeast three times aday and keep it clean

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Two things I forgot.

                          1. If it's a weeping wound, 3M make a really good activated charcoal dressing that draws the goop right through it and does an amazing job of keeping the would clean and dry. (I've used these directly over the wound with a wad gauze sponge on top of them, a couple of wraps of brown gauze to help keep everthing in place, vetwrap, and then elasticon, or at a pinch, duct tape.) You can cut these to size so you aren't using a whole one every time you change the dressing (not what it says on the package, but trust me, I've done it, it works).

                          2. Clip the hair off the surrounding area--whiskery bits slow healing and hold bacteria.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            atr is spot on the only thing I would add is that if you are not familiar w/how to wrap something to have pressure but for it to be safe to leave on for more than a day - please do have someone teach you how. It can be a bit tricky over a joint. You don't want to cut off circulation or create any pressure sores.

                            My working student learned on one of my horses - he has a white scar across his cannon bone to prove it funny thing tho' - she bought him later, so now its HER horse w/the scar on his leg
                            "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                            ---
                            The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Ditto atr.

                              Mind, I'm very suprised that your vet didn't leave detailed instructions on how to care for the wound. Mine always does.

                              Sending a few jingles for him.
                              Horse Show Names Free name website with over 6200 names. Want to add? PM me!

                              Comment

                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                                atr is spot on the only thing I would add is that if you are not familiar w/how to wrap something to have pressure but for it to be safe to leave on for more than a day - please do have someone teach you how. It can be a bit tricky over a joint. You don't want to cut off circulation or create any pressure sores.

                                My working student learned on one of my horses - he has a white scar across his cannon bone to prove it funny thing tho' - she bought him later, so now its HER horse w/the scar on his leg
                                My friend wrapped him the first couple of times and then watched me wrap him. She had a worse horse injury than CG's to deal with and lots of practice wrapping. I've been wrapping it on my own just a couple of times. CG always makes it fun by slowly pawing at the air while I try to wrap and instigating many do-overs. Today, I started above the wound and wrapped down past the wound and then up past the wound. I only had to restart once doing it that way.

                                Comment

                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                                  Ditto atr.

                                  Mind, I'm very suprised that your vet didn't leave detailed instructions on how to care for the wound. Mine always does.

                                  Sending a few jingles for him.
                                  I couldn't get ahold of my normal vet and went to more of an all around vet instead of a horse vet. Anyway, his instructions were to take off the wrap in a couple of days and water the wound for 10 minutes twice a day. I even had to ask him to repeat himself, because all I could think about was the vet cutting off the skin and CG bleeding everywhere. I guess being a vet is not in my future.

                                  Comment

                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by atr View Post
                                    Two things I forgot.

                                    1. If it's a weeping wound, 3M make a really good activated charcoal dressing that draws the goop right through it and does an amazing job of keeping the would clean and dry. (I've used these directly over the wound with a wad gauze sponge on top of them, a couple of wraps of brown gauze to help keep everthing in place, vetwrap, and then elasticon, or at a pinch, duct tape.) You can cut these to size so you aren't using a whole one every time you change the dressing (not what it says on the package, but trust me, I've done it, it works).

                                    2. Clip the hair off the surrounding area--whiskery bits slow healing and hold bacteria.
                                    The wound was a little gunky today. I sprayed with the Matrix cleanser quite liberally, http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=16435 followed by the Matrix gel. I'll look for a charcoal dressing tomorrow. I know I can get some Wonder Dust, if you think that will help.

                                    Anybody use Matrix...

                                    crickets chirping...

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      This is the dressing:

                                      http://www.adamshorsesupply.com/browse.cfm/4,4912.html

                                      I've never used the Matrix.

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by atr View Post
                                        This is the dressing:

                                        http://www.adamshorsesupply.com/browse.cfm/4,4912.html

                                        I've never used the Matrix.
                                        Thanks, we'll see how long it takes to get here.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X